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Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.

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Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Sunday, July 15, 2012 (5:41 p.m.) 

Zimmer's Dark Knight Rises is infinitely superior to Horner's Amazing Spider-Man. Horner doesn't know what year it is. Zimmer does.


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Re: Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Monday, July 16, 2012 (10:27 a.m.) 

> Zimmer's Dark Knight Rises is infinitely superior to Horner's Amazing
> Spider-Man. Horner doesn't know what year it is. Zimmer does.

So very true. Filmtracks.com is yesterday too.


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Re: Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Tuesday, July 17, 2012 (2:53 a.m.) 

> So very true. Filmtracks.com is yesterday too.

Two idiots above, as far as I'm concerned. Hans Zimmer is still copying techniques from scores he composed in the late 1980s, with little beyond technical improvements. He represents another mundane fad in film scoring that in another twenty years will undoubtedly have worn very thin. I'll give him credit where it's due, but this "Dark Knight" nonsense is already growing old.


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Jamaal is yesterday, B. Ross is now.   Thursday, August 2, 2012 (7:41 p.m.) 

> Two idiots above, as far as I'm concerned. Hans Zimmer is still copying
> techniques from scores he composed in the late 1980s, with little beyond
> technical improvements. He represents another mundane fad in film scoring
> that in another twenty years will undoubtedly have worn very thin.
> I'll give him credit where it's due, but this "Dark Knight"
> nonsense is already growing old.

Oh Jamaal, Jamaal, you are ignorant. At least people like B. Ross are here to inform you of what music is. Zimmer is not now nor is he yesterday - he is a fad that this so obviously untrained and utterly lacking in nuance. At least Horner knows how to write even if he chooses to copy himself. Please, please don't pretend to understand what makes music great or why Horner is a wonderful composer and Zimmer is a hack completely dependent on his ghosts.


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Re: Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Wednesday, July 18, 2012 (2:56 a.m.) 
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> Zimmer's Dark Knight Rises is infinitely superior to Horner's Amazing
> Spider-Man. Horner doesn't know what year it is. Zimmer does.

Sorry to say that to you my dear friend from "hans-zimmer.com.
The compositional skills of Hans Zimmer, can not compare with those of James Horner. The difference is: HZ can NOT compose.
About the quality of "Spiderman"(4stars???) you can certainly discuss, the question what kind of score is better, does not arise.



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Re: Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Tuesday, July 24, 2012 (12:57 p.m.) 

> Sorry to say that to you my dear friend from "hans-zimmer.com.
> The compositional skills of Hans Zimmer, can not compare with those of
> James Horner. The difference is: HZ can NOT compose.
> About the quality of "Spiderman"(4stars???) you can certainly
> discuss, the question what kind of score is better, does not arise.

Haha, whats next Zimmer fan, is Zimmer a better composer than say, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith?



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Re: Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Thursday, July 26, 2012 (9:18 a.m.) 
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> Zimmer's Dark Knight Rises is infinitely superior to Horner's Amazing
> Spider-Man. Horner doesn't know what year it is. Zimmer does.

No my friend u are wrong. James Horner is superior to Hans Zimmer. I'm not knocking Zimmer. No not at all, he is one of my favorite composers. But there was atime when Zimmer's scores actually made sense. Now they don't. Batman Begins was alright but it was redundant so was the dark knight and he even collaborated with James Newton howard (an obviously more sensical writer.) I can't even imagine what he's done with TDKR.

Horner on the other hand, though his score from Spiderman was not as dynamic as i had hoped, uses a variety of instrumentation that Zimmer has refused to even attempt to use. The bases of the Batman series is low strings and low horns, flapping wings and pulsing electronics. Horner does so much more with his instrumentation only rivaled by John Williams and maybe Howard.

To say that Zimmer is now and Horner is then is very interesting. Because legends of the fall was way back in 1994 it is still now to me. Now i'm not head over hills about Amazing spider-man nor am i'm in love with horner, but he does bring a sort of intelligence to his scores.

Zimmer use to be intelligent for example Lion King and Prince of Egypt are classics in my opinion. I believe he can still make scores that are awe-inspiring, the scores for both Kung Fu Pandas prove that, though co-written by Powell. But, again, as of late his scores have been bordering in the mediocre to the mundane and nonsensical. I'd rather enjoy his older music than the trash like Inception he's been pushing out.

All i'm saying is that u need to be more open minded. Because if it weren't for guys like Williams, Horner or even early Zimmer people like Jablonsky, Mancina and Balfe wouldn't even have a job.

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Re: Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Saturday, July 28, 2012 (6:35 a.m.) 

> Zimmer's Dark Knight Rises is infinitely superior to Horner's Amazing
> Spider-Man. Horner doesn't know what year it is. Zimmer does.

I am a little late to the party on this, but I almost choked to death when I read this statement. People knock James Horner for his overusage of themes in some of his films, but Zimmer and his band of synth pals have been doing it on almost every film for as long as I can remember. Zimmer's music for The Dark Knight Rises really isn't too different from The Dark Knight. It has its moments, but for crying out loud I'm getting tired of Zimmer constantly producing synth crap every single score. Get out and assemble a real orchestra and dump the synthesizer and make real music.

Horner has received a lot of flak over the years, but he remains one of the most respected composers, at least in my eyes. His resume is full of some of the most beautiful thematic music ever written for film, much of it under rated and overshadowed.

Zimmer does have some great scores, like The Prince of Egypt, Gladiator, The Power of One and Kung Fu Panda, but so many really good films have been ruined by his tired old bag of musical tricks (Pirates of the Caribbean for example).



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Re: Horner is yesterday. Zimmer is now.   Monday, August 6, 2012 (10:28 a.m.) 

> Zimmer's Dark Knight Rises is infinitely superior to Horner's Amazing
> Spider-Man. Horner doesn't know what year it is. Zimmer does.

I feel both Horner and Zimmer, who are two very different composers, were perfect for their films respectively. Nolan (Dark Knight Rises) wanted that intense, bombastic, sort of futuristic feel and male choir kind of a score from Zimmer while Webb (Spiderman)was looking for a throw-back feel to his film from Horner. It all comes down to what the director wants, and in film business, they are very specific about what sound they're looking for. Remember sir, Webb wanted music that had warm, love themes (which Horner is great at), yet still have that cinematic, heroic throw-back feel. So in the end, whether you like it or not, Horner gave Webb what he wanted. And you can say Zimmer gave Nolan what he wanted. I hope you understand that both composers are very different from each other. It's not necessarily that one composer is better than the other, it's what sound the director wants to represent his/her film(s).


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Sometimes, the "old" things are the best. [EDITED]   Tuesday, September 27, 2016 (5:35 p.m.) 

Did no one really ever teach you that??? Just asking. tongue

(Message edited on Sunday, January 15, 2017, at 12:54 p.m.)


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