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The Zimmer Hate in "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" Review is Out of Control

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The Zimmer Hate in "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" Review is Out of Control   Sunday, May 11, 2014 (9:59 p.m.) 

I usually enjoy the reviews but this was absolutely ridiculous, just Clemensen bashing Zimmer for paragraphs on end with as little actual discussion of the score itself as possible. The comparisons to "Man of Steel" aren't even apt in most places, aside from the fact that both are superhero scores.

I'm not a Zimmer apologist and I usually find his work underwhelming, but this was a good score. An INTERESTING score, and Clemensen just dismissed the interesting stuff out of hand as if it was just another random bit. Calling the Electro stuff "arguably laughable" was more laughable than the villain themes in the score, which I thought were original and well executed.

As I wrote on another thread, "Amazing Spider-Man 2" felt like it was done by a young composer who was experimenting. Didn't pull everything off, but it was a wild, interesting ride all the way through. It reminded me of Zimmer's work for "Hannibal" and how he was willing to throw everything at the wall and do unexpected things, some successfully and some notsomuch. I'd give both "Hannibal" and "Amazing Spider-Man 2" ****, but even if Clemensen didn't like "ASM2" he should have at least acknowledged the good, interesting things about it and gave it ** or ***. Instead he just bashed Zimmer over and over with little regard for the score itself.

What a shame -- it makes me respect him less as a reviewer.


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Re: The Zimmer Hate in "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" Review is Out of Con   Monday, April 6, 2015 (3:49 a.m.) 

> I usually enjoy the reviews but this was absolutely ridiculous, just
> Clemensen bashing Zimmer for paragraphs on end with as little actual
> discussion of the score itself as possible. The comparisons to "Man
> of Steel" aren't even apt in most places, aside from the fact that
> both are superhero scores.

> I'm not a Zimmer apologist and I usually find his work underwhelming, but
> this was a good score. An INTERESTING score, and Clemensen just dismissed
> the interesting stuff out of hand as if it was just another random bit.
> Calling the Electro stuff "arguably laughable" was more
> laughable than the villain themes in the score, which I thought were
> original and well executed.

> As I wrote on another thread, "Amazing Spider-Man 2" felt like
> it was done by a young composer who was experimenting. Didn't pull
> everything off, but it was a wild, interesting ride all the way through.
> It reminded me of Zimmer's work for "Hannibal" and how he was
> willing to throw everything at the wall and do unexpected things, some
> successfully and some notsomuch. I'd give both "Hannibal" and
> "Amazing Spider-Man 2" ****, but even if Clemensen didn't like
> "ASM2" he should have at least acknowledged the good,
> interesting things about it and gave it ** or ***. Instead he just bashed
> Zimmer over and over with little regard for the score itself.

> What a shame -- it makes me respect him less as a reviewer.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that Clemmensen has begun to indicate some of his bias towards Zimmer. While there are some points I agree with, sometimes it's just irrelevant.
I have to admit, I was disappointed by the output of this score. I agree with Zimmer, that there needs to be a sense of fun and frenetic energy when scoring a character like Spiderman, but there were some mistakes too. The main theme was a nice construct, with it's chord progression a surprisingly heart-warming one in its softer portions of usage. It fits the image of Spiderman falling from the sky as shown in the film, and gives it a reckless feel.
The Electro theme was... interesting. While Zimmer does deserve judos for the experimentation, I feel that bringing in Pharell was a mistake. Make no judgements, he is a tremendous and talented musician, but his pop-orientated sensibilities weren't those that'd fit the bill.
Sometimes there were electronics where there needn't be. The love theme for Peter and Gwen was basic but romantic, although it should have been just a little bit faster.
My personal favourites of the soundtrack would have to be:

"I'm Spiderman"
"I'm Goblin" - there was more than just a wailing effect Clemmensen, what about the frenetic G minor strings?!
"You're That Spider Guy"- the best cue on the whole album
"Cold War"- the best example of Zimmer's more fun, rock-laden sensibilities, and I love how the main theme comes in right at the end with a frenetic burst of energy!

And finally, "No Place Like Home". The emotional output was very high, though the electronics were quite distracting.

The chants in "My Enemy" were interesting, but I feel that Zimmer was blinded by his success for The Dark Knight Rises with Bane's "DESHI DESHI BASARA BASARA." That was much more appropriate, and it gave that film a delirious, chaotic, villainous feel that truly amplified the tension. Here, it was quite laughable, I must admit, though having said this, regardless, I see the track as an example of Zimmer's guilty pleasures.

Zimmer should have utilised a much more substantial usage of orchestra for this film. The central motif for Harry Osborn and his demonic counterpart was among some of Zimmer's intelligent, creepier writing. The rousing string section at the end of "You're That Spider Guy" was effective, and it's a shame that Zimmer didn't follow this path more often.

Overall I'd have to give this soundtrack somewhere between 1 and a half to 2 stars, because while the main theme was nice, it didn't have the Elfman touch to it, and some truly disappointing material was instead offered.

Clemmensen HAS begun to dismiss Zimmer,you're very right on that one. It is valid at some parts, but worrying on others. I am only mildly defensive of this soundtrack, but where others have succeeded in other superhero/character driven efforts, I feel that Clemmensen sinks to the absolute low by bringing Zimmer's name a s a comparison to negate.



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Re: The Zimmer Hate in "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" Review is Out of Con   Monday, April 6, 2015 (11:02 a.m.) 

> It is becoming increasingly obvious that Clemmensen has begun to indicate
> some of his bias towards Zimmer. While there are some points I agree with,
> sometimes it's just irrelevant.
> I have to admit, I was disappointed by the output of this score. I agree
> with Zimmer, that there needs to be a sense of fun and frenetic energy
> when scoring a character like Spiderman, but there were some mistakes too.
> The main theme was a nice construct, with it's chord progression a
> surprisingly heart-warming one in its softer portions of usage. It fits
> the image of Spiderman falling from the sky as shown in the film, and
> gives it a reckless feel.
> The Electro theme was... interesting. While Zimmer does deserve judos for
> the experimentation, I feel that bringing in Pharell was a mistake. Make
> no judgements, he is a tremendous and talented musician, but his
> pop-orientated sensibilities weren't those that'd fit the bill.
> Sometimes there were electronics where there needn't be. The love theme
> for Peter and Gwen was basic but romantic, although it should have been
> just a little bit faster.
> My personal favourites of the soundtrack would have to be:

> "I'm Spiderman"
> "I'm Goblin" - there was more than just a wailing effect
> Clemmensen, what about the frenetic G minor strings?!
> "You're That Spider Guy"- the best cue on the whole album
> "Cold War"- the best example of Zimmer's more fun, rock-laden
> sensibilities, and I love how the main theme comes in right at the end
> with a frenetic burst of energy!

> And finally, "No Place Like Home". The emotional output was very
> high, though the electronics were quite distracting.

> The chants in "My Enemy" were interesting, but I feel that
> Zimmer was blinded by his success for The Dark Knight Rises with Bane's
> "DESHI DESHI BASARA BASARA." That was much more appropriate, and
> it gave that film a delirious, chaotic, villainous feel that truly
> amplified the tension. Here, it was quite laughable, I must admit, though
> having said this, regardless, I see the track as an example of Zimmer's
> guilty pleasures.

> Zimmer should have utilised a much more substantial usage of orchestra for
> this film. The central motif for Harry Osborn and his demonic counterpart
> was among some of Zimmer's intelligent, creepier writing. The rousing
> string section at the end of "You're That Spider Guy" was
> effective, and it's a shame that Zimmer didn't follow this path more
> often.

> Overall I'd have to give this soundtrack somewhere between 1 and a half to
> 2 stars, because while the main theme was nice, it didn't have the Elfman
> touch to it, and some truly disappointing material was instead offered.

> Clemmensen HAS begun to dismiss Zimmer,you're very right on that one. It
> is valid at some parts, but worrying on others. I am only mildly defensive
> of this soundtrack, but where others have succeeded in other
> superhero/character driven efforts, I feel that Clemmensen sinks to the
> absolute low by bringing Zimmer's name a s a comparison to negate.

While Zimmer does deserve Kudos for
> the experimentation, I feel that bringing in PharRell was a mistake.

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