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Oh, boy...   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (3:15 p.m.) 

First of all, this isn't an album to promote world peace--it's for the American Spirit, hence "American style". (No offense, but look at the title.) And what other style should the songs "aimed at an international audience" use? Chinese? That would make sense...

I would also like to know where you got the quotes "Call of the Americans" or "Call of the Bomb-sniffing Dogs". I really would.

"Williams' style is distinctly East-Coast....and the styles of music heard in those regions."

Ummm...the east coast is sort of where our country was founded... New York was sort of where the tragedies of September eleventh occured.
"The music heard in those regions"???? Give me a break!

"The "American Journey" piece has nothing, for instance, to musically represent California or the Rocky Mountain region."

Watch that lower lip... Or Texas or Hawaii or Alaska or Florida or Virginia or... It's a pity all the states and regions of the country weren't accounted for on this album.

"There are many such curious aspects to this album that could be debated to no end."

Ya and that would be worth it. Such arguments are trivial and are not worth the time of the sensible. Maybe when this album goes to court I'll be interested in the horrors of Williams' "closed-minded American style". (snicker)

-+Tim


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You Americans think you know everything, don't you?   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (4:15 p.m.) 

You Americans say stupid things like this "Timmy" person and then you wonder why the rest of the world holds you in contempt?

The album has music for the Olympics and other world events. It is NOT strictly American, nor should it have been.

> First of all, this isn't an album to promote world peace--it's for the
> American Spirit, hence "American style". (No offense, but look
> at the title.) And what other style should the songs "aimed at an
> international audience" use? Chinese? That would make sense...

Your perception is narrow.

The reviewer surprised me. I thought when i saw the review that he would be just like you, being an American and all, but he saw the album through a bigger lense. Williams has helped make the Olympics into an American-only club.

Just because the Olympics are in America this year doesn't mean that their music should all be John Williams and Americanized.

You want good Olympic music? Give the job to Papathanasiou Evangelos!

Andi



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Yes   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (7:09 p.m.) 

Maybe you should lighten up. This is so stupid. All this over Williams' style. Geez.

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Come on peoples....   Friday, February 1, 2002 (5:38 p.m.) 

I agree, it's one piece of music, nothing to get too upset about. Whenever a country hosts an olympics ceremony, don't they usually show off some aspect of their culture? Nothing wrong with that. Now whether you like Americans or Chinese or people from Uzbekistan is kinda beside the point on a film music board (at least I think so).

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It's the American way.   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (9:38 p.m.) 

Should Williams' music have every musical style of all the countries participating on the winter Olympics? No. That's stupid. It's just music, what makes it so damn American? And the name of the album is "American Journey". Gee, what a surprise.

On the 2000 Olympics, the opening show consisted of several demonstrations of Australian heritage. What an outrage! And they even sung the Australian National Anthem and not the International Anthem ( )! Olivia Newton John was there and not Michael Jackson!

Give me a break. This is John Stossel, an American.

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Are you that dense?   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (11:56 p.m.) 

> You Americans say stupid things like this "Timmy" person and
> then you wonder why the rest of the world holds you in contempt?

> The album has music for the Olympics and other world events. It is NOT
> strictly American, nor should it have been.

> Your perception is narrow.

> The reviewer surprised me. I thought when i saw the review that he would
> be just like you, being an American and all, but he saw the album through
> a bigger lense. Williams has helped make the Olympics into an
> American-only club.

> Just because the Olympics are in America this year doesn't mean that their
> music should all be John Williams and Americanized.

Right, like how this music is obviously influenced by composers such as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Mahler, and Wagner. Gee, those damn Americans, they just infest everything don't they? Just because John Williams wrote it doesn't mean that the music is exclusively American, in fact, hardly any of it is. If you think that just because it is a Fanfare that it's automatically American, then THAT is narrowminded. You apparently know nothing about music history.

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I must acknowledge I like "A. J." the way it is...   Monday, January 28, 2002 (6:13 a.m.) 

Please, don't waste your time by reading this if you can't stand or have complaints about the discussed compilation.

I have read John Williams' own words (posted in the same form independently on quite a number of sites to which I can give you all links if asked by you) explaining the nature of the new Olympic theme. And well, in other words, JW explains why his Salt Lake City Olympic Theme has been composed the way it is, and what all (which inevitable events among other things) influenced it and to what extent.
I am also quite pleased to read (on numerous sites beside this one it'd been vented) how GREAT the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Theme is and how it's superior to this brand new one and perhaps to all JW's hymns composed to date. Yes, I am pleased to have come across these good news because I remember all those sometimes harsh complaints that I had read about the "Summon the Heroes" centennial theme as (at that time) being "composed under a schedule pressure" and how healthily it's apparent even for the casual listener, how it's "scatterbrained", having almost nothing memorable about it and so on. I know they were most likely different people those complainers (it's been 6 years or so since then), but I want to say that I thought they might have been wrong as to the "wishy-washy" nature of the '96 Olympic theme and am glad to be discovering today you're proving them all to have been wrong. :-)
I myself like "Call of the Champions" say the same as both "Summon the Heroes" and even the sometimes-legitimately-mentioned "Duel of the Fates". And although "Call of the Champions" is supposed to become close associated only with the upcoming Olympic games deed by JW, I am glad the "Call" hasn't turned out as being solely another bombastic, with optimism sparkling piece of music strenuously putting every graze we've come through in the past second, which is to say that it is no blemish for me to find "Call of the Champions" sounding a bit "restrained" or the like - whatever word you mind find more appropriate to be used instead of the trite "restrained". I highly enjoy the album as a whole, especially my long yearned-after "Celebrate Discovery" that I can't help listening to while mimicking playing the drums :-), although some pieces on the CD are too good that they easily stand out too blatantly to make this album sound/appear as a seamless cohesion. But this is not to be taken to task as the serious weakness of "A.J." I think. The disadvantages of such compilations better be unmentioned today. Since compilations are to be about music rather than order of the tracks or their functionality they have when listened to one by one, I couldn't care less for it being a little of a motley kind of compilation.

Roman (from Czech Republic)

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Re: You Americans think you know everything, don't you?   Friday, February 8, 2002 (4:50 a.m.) 

ITA!!!
Okay so you Americans had a huge tragedy and the whole world (myself included!!!) felt really sorry for you but lately you get seriously on my nerves with your patriotism! There is not a single news coverage on CNN, ABC or any other US channel that is not tinted with nationalism and patriotism (except for PBS).You are not alone in the world, you are definitly not the only country that ever suffered a crisis (actually you have never ever suffered a real crisis before and that's the truth) If any other country would act like you do, then you would harshly critize it. Get a grip will ya?

> You Americans say stupid things like this "Timmy" person and
> then you wonder why the rest of the world holds you in contempt?

> The album has music for the Olympics and other world events. It is NOT
> strictly American, nor should it have been.

> Your perception is narrow.

> The reviewer surprised me. I thought when i saw the review that he would
> be just like you, being an American and all, but he saw the album through
> a bigger lense. Williams has helped make the Olympics into an
> American-only club.

> Just because the Olympics are in America this year doesn't mean that their
> music should all be John Williams and Americanized.

> You want good Olympic music? Give the job to Papathanasiou Evangelos!

> Andi


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Re: You Americans think you know everything, don't you?   Thursday, March 13, 2003 (5:19 a.m.) 

You know, one day, we (America) will decide to stop putting up with you lesser countries. One day, we will have had it up to here with the entire "America Sucks" attitude. One day, we'll get really pissed that EVERY country we bailed out of this or that (you hear me France?) or we didn't wipe off the Earth (you hear me Germany?) or we forgave or helped recover from a war YOU started and just wipe the whole lot of you off the face of the Earth. One day we'll turn the middle east into a parking lot (or a car park to you non-Americans) or sky bomb the load of you into the next life. Then we'll take over the entire deal and make this the planet America.

Then, and only then, can you bitch about an America-centric attitude. We're tired of "allies" who don't step up and support (not you, Great Britian. You guys are okay). We're tired of people who subsist on what Americans bring to their tourist income then bitch about us. Does America try to take over the world? Nope. Do we attack innocent civilians while ignoring the military? Nope. De we visit tiny, backward countries and spend a lot of money, giving these insufferable ingrates money? Yup. Do we take in all sorts of whiny immigrants who then turn around and DANCE IN THE STREETS when we do finally have a national tragedy? Oh yes.

America is holding this planet together just by NOT flexing a little muscle and taking over. We're the strongest country in the world and just because you are not all piles of nuclear ash doesn't mean we can't do it. We're not the bullies here. This country was founded because everyone ELSE sucked. And, for my money, everyone else still does.

God bless America, land that I love. And, yes, if I want to show that love, the rest of you can go spit and hide under your Eiffel Tower.

> ITA!!!
Okay so you Americans had a huge tragedy and the whole world
> (myself included!!!) felt really sorry for you but lately you get
> seriously on my nerves with your patriotism! There is not a single news
> coverage on CNN, ABC or any other US channel that is not tinted with
> nationalism and patriotism (except for PBS).You are not alone in the
> world, you are definitly not the only country that ever suffered a crisis
> (actually you have never ever suffered a real crisis before and that's the
> truth) If any other country would act like you do, then you would harshly
> critize it. Get a grip will ya?


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Re: What a crock of #####!   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (4:29 p.m.) 

The editor raised some interesting points.

at least you should be openminded enough to try to understand his point?

if you stopped being blinded by loyalty to a composer... you might see the flaws he is writing about.

> Ya and that would be worth it. Such arguments are trivial and are not
> worth the time of the sensible. Maybe when this album goes to court I'll
> be interested in the horrors of Williams' "closed-minded American
> style". (snicker)

Oh, please

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Whatever   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (5:34 p.m.) 

Tim,

I agree with you on a few points you've made. When I popped this CD in for the first time, I had NO expectation of any music that would encompass the world-unifying aspect of the Olympics: a little shamisen, a little huqin, a little digeridoo, a little flamenco, a little bongo. I expected typical John Williams and that's what he delivered.

I didn't hear anyone complaining about Summon the Heroes being too American...when it is hardly less "American" than Call of the Champions. Nor have I heard a peep about the blatantly western, Bugler's Dream which has been the worldwide Olympic fanfare for what...30 years?

Anyone, in the entire world, who knows John Williams' work, should expect nothing different. Now if Williams had been chosen to compose Symphony 1997 commemorating Hong Kong's reunification with China and he delivered anything like American Journey, I could see people getting up in arms about it.

Now, I think such Olympic anthems SHOULD have more of an international flavor, but John Williams is NOT the man for such a task.

The bottom line is Call of the Champions is immensely inferior to Summon the Heroes and so people are piling on with this "not-international-enough" stuff. Had Call of the Champions flat out been "better" then I'd bet we hear less griping (although, until I read this review and subsequent posts, I haven't really heard anyone complaining about this aspect of piece at all.)

Whatever.

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Idiots...   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (5:32 p.m.) 

Honestly, you all dissapoint me. Bickering about ridiculous topics about what states the music is from or whether a word is mispelled or not. Jesus, get a life!

This is a score site. You post things about the score.

And you guys wonder why there is such a lack of racial/country brotherhood.

You are the most pathetic people I know

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Yourself included.   Saturday, January 26, 2002 (9:28 p.m.) 

Um... did you read Timmy B.'s message? He was talking about Christian's review. Christian as in Christian Clemmensen (the webmaster). That's what he was saying.

Pathetic.

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