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Comments about the soundtrack for Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (John Williams)
Why all the negative comments? AOTC is great!

Geoff
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Tim Warnholz/Darth Warnn
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Why all the negative comments? AOTC is great!   Thursday, May 23, 2002 (2:04 p.m.) 

Will somebody help me out here? I just don't get it!
I don't understand why this soundtrack is under so much fire. It sounds perfect to me! So what if they bring some of the older music back? It's not like they've never done it in STAR WARS before. I think it sounds great and fits right in place. When composers score sequels they usually re-use clips of music heard in the previous film or films. Is that the main reason this score is being criticized? Just because it has some re-used music in it? I loved the duel of the fates in Episode 1! And I love the duel of the fates clip in Episode 2! And I'll love it if there's a clip of duel of the fates in Episode 3! I love the Imperial March in ESB, ROTJ, and now AOTC! It all sounds great to me. There was also plenty of new music in this score! Maybe it's just me, but when I see so many degrading comments I can't stand it. Or maybe it's because I hold John Williams and George Lucas in such high esteem! Oh well! "May the Force be with you!"

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Tim Warnholz/Darth Warnn
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Re: Why all the negative comments? AOTC is great!   Thursday, May 23, 2002 (3:23 p.m.) 

> Will somebody help me out here? I just don't get it!
I don't
> understand why this soundtrack is under so much fire. It sounds perfect to
> me! So what if they bring some of the older music back? It's not like
> they've never done it in STAR WARS before. I think it sounds great and
> fits right in place. When composers score sequels they usually re-use
> clips of music heard in the previous film or films. Is that the main
> reason this score is being criticized? Just because it has some re-used
> music in it? I loved the duel of the fates in Episode 1! And I love the
> duel of the fates clip in Episode 2! And I'll love it if there's a clip of
> duel of the fates in Episode 3! I love the Imperial March in ESB, ROTJ,
> and now AOTC! It all sounds great to me. There was also plenty of new
> music in this score! Maybe it's just me, but when I see so many degrading
> comments I can't stand it. Or maybe it's because I hold John Williams and
> George Lucas in such high esteem! Oh well! "May the Force be with
> you!"

We don't critizise the reuse of old themes. But there is a difference if you reuse the themes but arrange them new and play new variations (like in RoTJ for example) or if you just reuse the same musicscore without any variation (just cutting is no variation) And there are nearly NO NEW THEMES!And that's the difference. One new theme that's used over and over again ist not exactly what I expected. Why do the clones have the same theme like their enemies, the Droids? Where is a memorizable "Cout Dooku"-Theme that I expected? No the problem is the lack of recognizable music that characterizes this breathtaking movie.

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Re: Why all the negative comments? AOTC is great!   Thursday, May 23, 2002 (3:33 p.m.) 

I don't

> We don't critizise the reuse of old themes. But there is a difference if
> you reuse the themes but arrange them new and play new variations (like in
> RoTJ for example) or if you just reuse the same musicscore without any
> variation (just cutting is no variation) And there are nearly NO NEW
> THEMES!And that's the difference. One new theme that's used over and over
> again ist not exactly what I expected. Why do the clones have the same
> theme like their enemies, the Droids? Where is a memorizable "Cout
> Dooku"-Theme that I expected? No the problem is the lack of
> recognizable music that characterizes this breathtaking movie.

You are so right!! I too noticed the lack of new themes.


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Re: Why all the negative comments? AOTC is great!   Sunday, May 26, 2002 (3:22 p.m.) 

> The fact that the battledroid music was used for the clones on Kamino was that it can be seen as invasion music (note that it has close resemblance to the original imperial theme from A new hope). You can see this kind of thing happening with the "escape from Naboo" music, which also featured during the podracer breakdown sequence in TPM as well as during the clone rescue in AOTC.
The sequences are related, because they all have to do with the theme of rescue. Thus the music is perfectly in place.

Further more i'd like to say that Jango Fett has theme indeed (see track 7). It's a descending furious little brass motif accompanied by a staccato brass line, sort of the same stuff that Boba's theme in TESB was made out of.

Tracks 12 & 14 feature very embryonic versions of "Darth Vader's Theme", much like "The Droid Battle" from TPM, to represent the evil forces at work. In that respect "Darth Vader's Theme" and the battledroid music as well as the imperial theme from ANH are very close associates in their meaning.

I enjoyed the score. It seems like Williams is becoming more and more like a Stravinsky than a Johan Strauss. A development with which i am very pleased.

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Re: Why all the negative comments? AOTC is great!   Sunday, May 26, 2002 (3:25 p.m.) 

> The fact that the battledroid music was used for the clones on Kamino was that it can be seen as invasion music (note that it has close resemblance to the original imperial theme from A New Hope). You can see this kind of thing happening with the "Escape From Naboo" music, which also featured during the podracer breakdown sequence in TPM as well as during the clone rescue in AOTC.
The sequences are related, because they all have to do with the theme of rescue; thus the music is perfectly in place.

Further more i'd like to say that Jango Fett has a theme indeed (see track 7). It's a descending furious little brass motif accompanied by a staccato brass line, sort of the same stuff that Boba's theme in TESB was made out of.

Tracks 12 & 14 feature very embryonic versions of "Darth Vader's Theme", much like "The Droid Battle" from TPM, to represent the evil forces at work. In that respect "Darth Vader's Theme" and the battledroid music as well as the imperial theme from ANH are very close associates in their meaning.

I enjoyed the score. It seems like Williams is becoming more and more like a Stravinsky than a Johan Strauss. A development with which i am very pleased.

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Not so good as TPM   Thursday, May 30, 2002 (2:29 a.m.) 

Well, AOTC is not so good as TPM. In TPM you have such statements like Duel of the fates, Anakin's Theme, Droid Invasion, Droid Battle, Panaka and the Queen's Protectors and The Flag Parade. Here, in AOTC, we don't have that kind of thematic richness, but the music is magnificent. Although, Across the Stars is compared with The Hook Theme, it has his own beauty and characteristic atmosphere, much different than the one in Hook. Track 3 is one of those compositions like The Rite Of Spring, that you can truly enjoy after several listening- it's hard but great, and it would be much better without the electric guitar( I'm glad I didn't here it in the movie).Track 5 remind me on Stargate. Tracks 10 and 11 are masterpieces (especially track 11 from 3.28-3.40 - terrific hint of the imperial march). The theme in The Arena is some sort of variation of the Droid Invasion theme. I have no comments about the track 13- it's absolutely the greatest and the most enjoyable to hear in the film. But isn't The Ambush on Coruscant actually the music associated with the planet called Kamino (or Camino, sorry if I'm wrong about the spelling)where Obi-Wan supervise the making of the clones. I don't know why, but this cue remind me on Seven Years In Tibet. And my last suggestion is that Williams should use Yoda's theme in it's glorious climax when he was fighting with the count Dooku (like in the Yoda and the Force from The Empire Strikes Back).
I hope that Episode III will have more themes and the same quality like TPM and AOTC!

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