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The Villain

Serge Desir
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The Villain   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (1:59 p.m.) 

Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

What else is there?



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Re: The Villain   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (2:46 p.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?

Actually one that still gives me the creeps it the wolf theme from Peter and the Wolf - believe it or not!!!

Stefka


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Re: The Villain   Friday, April 19, 2002 (4:38 p.m.) 

The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen
> (Avi Satani)

> Actually one that still gives me the creeps it the wolf theme from Peter
> and the Wolf - believe it or not!!!

> Stefka

Robin Williams' theme from Death to Smoochy!!!!

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Re: The Villain   Monday, April 22, 2002 (11:43 a.m.) 

how about:

- the raptor theme from jurassic park
- the baddies (and Ra's) theme from David Arnolds Stargate
- the capsule in space music from You only live twice? does that count?
- king kong theme (boom boom, boom boom) :-b

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Stefka
Re: The Villain   Sunday, May 26, 2002 (5:11 p.m.) 

the emperor's theme? Come on...god I HATE star wars fans.

Best villain theme? Claude Frollo's 'Hellfire' from the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Admit it, that album deserved a better score.

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Re: The Villain   Tuesday, May 28, 2002 (2:07 p.m.) 

> the emperor's theme? Come on...god I HATE star wars fans.

> Best villain theme? Claude Frollo's 'Hellfire' from the Hunchback of Notre
> Dame. Admit it, that album deserved a better score.

How about he complete Hellraiser I and II soundtracks from Chris Young. But I agree Horner had a couple of pretty good ideas in Wolfen and Humanoids from the Deep

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Re: The Villain   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (6:36 p.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?

I have to mention Khan's Theme from STII. A theme so versatile that Horner has used it for just about anything evil ever since!

Seriously, it works well in STII....



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Re: The Villain   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (11:36 p.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?
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"Raiders of Doom" from Conan the Barbarian, great piece of music.

PS. In The Omen it's "Ave Satani", not Avi.

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Re: The Villain   Saturday, June 1, 2002 (8:56 a.m.) 

The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen
> (Avi Satani)
*************************

> "Raiders of Doom" from Conan the Barbarian, great piece of
> music.

> PS. In The Omen it's "Ave Satani", not Avi.
It's RIDERS Of Doom, not raiders. Riders of Doom is one of the best villain music in the history of orchestral (+chorus) music. Riders of Taramis, from Conan the Destroyer, is also brilliant. The best of Williams are Imperial march and Droid Invasion.
And in the field of classic music: King Kastchei's Infernal Dance (from THE FIREBIRD),by Stravinsky.



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Re: The Villain/Mussorgsky/Wagner   Sunday, June 2, 2002 (2:43 p.m.) 

> The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen
>
*************************
It's RIDERS Of Doom, not raiders. Riders
> of Doom is one of the best villain music in the history of orchestral
> (+chorus) music. Riders of Taramis, from Conan the Destroyer, is also
> brilliant. The best of Williams are Imperial march and Droid Invasion.
>
And in the field of classic music: King Kastchei's Infernal Dance
> (from THE FIREBIRD),by Stravinsky.

Kastchei's dance is a good piece of music.

Night on the Bare Mountain is an impressive orchestral work by russian composer
Mussorgsky. It's one big evil experience, except for the brilliant ending when the morning hour arrives at last. In Fantasia there was a transposition from this to Ave Maria (with great animation)... just classic.

Der Ring des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner (where would Williams be without him?)also has villain themes (dragon/Hagen/Mime/Hunding etc.) and great other ones. I recommend a family tree of the hundreds of motifs, with meaning, development and interaction, that can be found in this absolute masterpiece. It's got commentary by Deryck Cooke and appeared on Decca records.

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Re: The Villain/Mussorgsky/Wagner   Monday, June 3, 2002 (12:47 a.m.) 

Jaws
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen
>
*************************
It's RIDERS Of Doom, not raiders. Riders
>
And in the field of classic music: King Kastchei's Infernal Dance

> Kastchei's dance is a good piece of music.

> Night on the Bare Mountain is an impressive orchestral work by russian
> composer
Mussorgsky. It's one big evil experience, except for the
> brilliant ending when the morning hour arrives at last. In Fantasia there
> was a transposition from this to Ave Maria (with great animation)... just
> classic.

> Der Ring des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner (where would Williams be without
> him?)also has villain themes (dragon/Hagen/Mime/Hunding etc.) and great
> other ones. I recommend a family tree of the hundreds of motifs, with
> meaning, development and interaction, that can be found in this absolute
> masterpiece. It's got commentary by Deryck Cooke and appeared on Decca
> records
I get to like Night on the Bare Mountain when I was about 13 years old and I still adore this suite. It's magnificent! Dance of the Knights, from Romeo & Juliet by Prokofiev, is also some sort of villain music. And The Aquarium, from Carnival of Animals by Saint Saens? It's rather mysterious than villain, but it has an ominous background. What do you think about this piece?
In which part of the ring are the themes of dragon,Hagen...? Are they from The Rhine Gold, The Valkyrie, Siegfried or from The Twilight of the Gods?
What is "the family tree"? Who compose it?


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Wagner motifs   Monday, June 3, 2002 (1:13 a.m.) 

The best Ring-homepage may be

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/wagner/

It's a very well-done overview covering almost every aspect of the Ring (including the leitmotifs). For an even more comprehensive study of the motifs, however, check

http://allenbdunningmd.com/RingThemes.htm

It'll probably leave you with the impression that Star Wars would sound nothing like the way it does without the Ring. Just listen to the Ring-motif, to the curse-motif or the Sieglinde and Siegmund love-motif.

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Re: The Villain/Mussorgsky/Wagner   Friday, June 7, 2002 (4:06 a.m.) 

> Jaws
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen
>
*************************
It's RIDERS Of Doom, not raiders. Riders
>
And in the field of classic music: King Kastchei's Infernal Dance
>
Mussorgsky. It's one big evil experience, except for the
I get to
> like Night on the Bare Mountain when I was about 13 years old and I still
> adore this suite. It's magnificent! Dance of the Knights, from Romeo &
> Juliet by Prokofiev, is also some sort of villain music. And The Aquarium,
> from Carnival of Animals by Saint Saens? It's rather mysterious than
> villain, but it has an ominous background. What do you think about this
> piece?
In which part of the ring are the themes of dragon,Hagen...?
> Are they from The Rhine Gold, The Valkyrie, Siegfried or from The Twilight
> of the Gods?
What is "the family tree"? Who compose it?

The Walkuren Ritt from Wagner's Walkure is one of the best classical pieces ever written, and I am sure that it has been of great influence of Williams' composing for Star Wars (especially The Main theme and The Imperial March).


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Re: The Villain   Thursday, April 18, 2002 (8:26 p.m.) 

How about Parade of the Ewoks? They were villains, right?

Or the Villians' March from Superman?

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Re: The Villain   Friday, April 19, 2002 (5:04 a.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?

How about the Raiders' March?
Though its heroism, and its attribution to Indiana Jones himslef, I do believe it belongs to The Nazi raiders.

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Re: The Villain   Friday, June 7, 2002 (3:58 a.m.) 

The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen
> (Avi Satani)

> How about the Raiders' March?
Though its heroism, and its attribution
> to Indiana Jones himslef, I do believe it belongs to The Nazi raiders.

In The Last Crusade there was actually a very good theme especially for the Nazis.


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Re: The Villain   Friday, April 19, 2002 (6:17 a.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?

Ewoks? Raiders? What about backdraft's theme from "Backdraft". That's the villian! ;-)


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Re: The Villain   Sunday, April 21, 2002 (4:47 p.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?

Well, there's James Horner's "generic villain" theme (as heard in Willow, The Mask of Zorro and Enemy at the Gates to name a few). I always thought it was pretty sinister.

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Re: The Villain   Friday, April 26, 2002 (8:38 a.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?

How about some of Barry's Bond villain themes? Thinking especially of the Spectre Theme in "From Russia with Love" and of course "Goldfinger".

A.


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Some more villain themes.   Sunday, April 28, 2002 (7:32 a.m.) 

> Okay... how many great villain themes are there out there?

> The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
The Emperor's Theme
Jaws
>
The Chant of the Ringwraiths
The Omen (Avi Satani)

> What else is there?

C.Hookīs theme (Hook
Voldemortīs theme (Harry Potter)
Anakinīs theme (TMP; he would become a villain, wouldnīt he? )
Gremlins rag (Gremlins)
Hornerīs evil four-note motif (choose yourself )
Orcīs theme (FOTR; the one that sounds like metal crashing; well, I know... maybe itīs not that great...)


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Re: Some more villain themes.   Monday, May 13, 2002 (10:58 p.m.) 

>> Orcīs theme (FOTR; the one that sounds like metal crashing; well, I know... maybe itīs not that great...)

No, it's pretty cool. Besides, metal crashing is just a background, there is strong brass theme above it. I love this theme (Uruk-Hai than Orks rather), especially on "Amon Hen" - great track!

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Re: The Villain   Monday, April 29, 2002 (2:23 p.m.) 

> What else is there?

There are definitely at least two more great villains themes: the Imhotep's theme from "The Mummy" by Goldsmith nad "Kurgan's Theme" (aka "Gimme the Prize") from "Highlander" by Queen.

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More Villain Themes   Friday, June 14, 2002 (1:05 p.m.) 

Williams also wrote a nice and rather funny theme for the villains Marv and Harry in "Home Alone".
Elfman composed the insane "Waltz to the Death" for "Batman"
And what about Ennio Morricone's "Once Upon a Time in the West", heh?

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