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What if John Williams dies before Episode III?

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What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, March 20, 2002 (10:26 a.m.) 

He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?



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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, March 20, 2002 (4:59 p.m.) 

Sad.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Saturday, March 30, 2002 (9:30 p.m.) 

> Sad.

If John Williams dies before the final Star Wars movie is finished, the job would most certainly go to James Horner. George Lucas was so impressed by his work on Willow that he has publically stated that Horner is his #2 guy should John Williams be unavailable. However, to me it would be sad if John didn't live to complete his own masterpiece.

So LONG LIVE JOHNNY WILLIAMS!!!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Sunday, March 31, 2002 (10:59 a.m.) 

> If John Williams dies before the final Star Wars movie is finished, the
> job would most certainly go to James Horner. George Lucas was so impressed
> by his work on Willow that he has publically stated that Horner is his #2
> guy should John Williams be unavailable. However, to me it would be sad if
> John didn't live to complete his own masterpiece.
> So LONG LIVE JOHNNY WILLIAMS!!!

..............JAMES HORNER????? Don't get me wrong, I like the guys works (Aliens, Star Trek 2, The Perfect Storm), but he is FAR from the best choice. His style is completely different from Williams, and that's exactly what the Star Wars Saga would NOT need. If anyone, it should go to Joel McNeely or Michael Giacchino.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Thursday, April 11, 2002 (6:52 a.m.) 

> ..............JAMES HORNER????? Don't get me wrong, I like the guys works
> (Aliens, Star Trek 2, The Perfect Storm), but he is FAR from the best
> choice. His style is completely different from Williams, and that's
> exactly what the Star Wars Saga would NOT need. If anyone, it should go to
> Joel McNeely or Michael Giacchino.

Should Maestro Williams succumb to natural causes, then my pick would be Hans Zimmer or Klaus Badelt.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Thursday, April 11, 2002 (1:05 p.m.) 

> Should Maestro Williams succumb to natural causes, then my pick would be
> Hans Zimmer or Klaus Badelt.

.....you're joking, right? I'm a fan of both Zimmer and Badelt, and can safely say that neither should score a SW movie. I enjoy music by both composers, but if you are indeed a 'Zimmerfan', you should see that their styles simply would not fit in the movies.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (2:52 a.m.) 

> .....you're joking, right? I'm a fan of both Zimmer and Badelt, and can
> safely say that neither should score a SW movie. I enjoy music by both
> composers, but if you are indeed a 'Zimmerfan', you should see that their
> styles simply would not fit in the movies.

Why not wait to see what's happeing before 2005 ( The year of STAR WARS: EPISODE III ( UNKNOWN TITLE ))???????

If he pass away - Then they can always use some of the old cues or themes from the previous film - look at "STAR WARS: EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE" It does NOT contains the imperial march in the score

But I hope john goes on forever


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (4:56 a.m.) 

Oh! What if we all die before Episode III? Who will be here to discuss Williams' score? You guys are pathetic!

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Jerry Goldsmith is older than JW   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (9:24 a.m.) 

Feb 8, 1932

I think JW has at least 10 more years ahead of him. Only God knows. How's James Earl Jones' health? He'll have to provide the voice of Vader for Episode III but shooting starts next year so he shouldn't have a long wait.

JW scoring session for Episode III
November 2004 - February 2005

He'll only be 73!

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David Arnold   Friday, April 19, 2002 (10:45 a.m.) 

David Arnold is the best choice

he's the only composer i've heard that writes notes in a jumpy swingy way like john williams does.

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Joel McNeely   Sunday, April 21, 2002 (2:26 p.m.) 

> David Arnold is the best choice
> he's the only composer i've heard that writes notes in a jumpy swingy way
> like john williams does.

Listen to Joel McNeely's SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE and you'll change your mind


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Re: Joel McNeely   Thursday, April 25, 2002 (3:35 p.m.) 

> Listen to Joel McNeely's SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE and you'll change your mind
>
;)

I don't think that David Arnold, nor Joel McNeely are up to the task of such a massive Star Wars endeavor. Shadows of the Empire was a meteocre, yet fun, score, for those of us that craved more Star Wars music back in the mid-90's. If John Williams died today, I don't think any composer would be up to the task of scoring Star Wars in his absense. That is to say, not yet. So, we're all screwed if he dies (he had better not...).

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Re: Joel McNeely   Monday, July 15, 2002 (11:11 a.m.) 

;)

> I don't think that David Arnold, nor Joel McNeely are up to the task of
> such a massive Star Wars endeavor. Shadows of the Empire was a meteocre,
> yet fun, score, for those of us that craved more Star Wars music back in
> the mid-90's. If John Williams died today, I don't think any composer
> would be up to the task of scoring Star Wars in his absense. That is to
> say, not yet. So, we're all screwed if he dies (he had better not...).

What are you smoking? Of course Joel McNeely would do a good job. Are you sure you were listening to Shadows of the Empire? Maybe you were listening to something else. Joel McNeely has re-recorded other composer's music a lot of times like the Batman Trilogy soundtrack. And in my opinion, Joel McNeely's versions were much better than Danny Elfman's. Did you hear Joel McNeely's version of the Force theme in SOTE? Go listen to it, Track 8.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, May 24, 2002 (2:41 p.m.) 

William's recyles a lot of his material (and a mean a lot. Harry Potter steals so many different cues from other films it's unbelievable (then again so does the film :-) (can't call it up to a certain degree since other composers such as James Horner are guilty of self plagerism)
if someone else just re-used most of the original stuff i don't think anyone would notice.

Any date on when John Williams will be retiring?

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, May 31, 2002 (1:29 p.m.) 

it maybe true , he does repeat himself from time to time but yet he's the last artist in the world that may deserve such an ugly comment!!!!! seem's like your realy in to this darkside thing ... may the force agnore you!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, April 17, 2002 (3:11 p.m.) 

> .....you're joking, right? I'm a fan of both Zimmer and Badelt, and can
> safely say that neither should score a SW movie. I enjoy music by both
> composers, but if you are indeed a 'Zimmerfan', you should see that their
> styles simply would not fit in the movies.

Oh so true--I mean--I want Zimmer 2 compose everything--but not starwars. Altho--I would like 2 hear the star wars themes blasted by guitars--but I kno none of U do--so don't take it so seriously

Oh--so U people wouldn't care if he died--as long as he completed SW first. That's a little mean hearted

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 23, 2002 (11:57 a.m.) 

> ..............JAMES HORNER????? Don't get me wrong, I like the guys works
> (Aliens, Star Trek 2, The Perfect Storm), but he is FAR from the best
> choice. His style is completely different from Williams, and that's
> exactly what the Star Wars Saga would NOT need. If anyone, it should go to
> Joel McNeely or Michael Giacchino.

Regardless of whether James is the best choice of not, George Lucas has mentioned publically that he admire's Horner's work and would most certainly hire him if John Williams wasn't around. I do like most of Horner's original work, and I think that it would be interesting to hear his musical take on Star Wars. But besides those points, John is a good friend of my family and a nice man. I talked to him and his wife Samantha few months ago at the E.T premier and he looks great for a man of 70.

I certainly hope through the grace of God that he is still with us in November 2004-March 05 to complete his six wonderful and enchanting masterpieces.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, April 24, 2002 (6:04 a.m.) 

> Regardless of whether James is the best choice of not, George Lucas has
> mentioned publically that he admire's Horner's work and would most
> certainly hire him if John Williams wasn't around. I do like most of
> Horner's original work, and I think that it would be interesting to hear
> his musical take on Star Wars. But besides those points, John is a good
> friend of my family and a nice man. I talked to him and his wife Samantha
> few months ago at the E.T premier and he looks great for a man of 70.

> I certainly hope through the grace of God that he is still with us in
> November 2004-March 05 to complete his six wonderful and enchanting
> masterpieces.

In my opinion, James Horner would be unsuited as a follow up for John Williams. He might be very popular and a gifted composer, but his work does not sound as technically perfect or coherent as Williams. His scores, especially later ones, are increasingly shallow and similar. I would expect him to perform the opening titles with a bagpipe and the credits with some pop song (which `ll sell millions)!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (6:43 p.m.) 

> If John Williams dies before the final Star Wars movie is finished, the
> job would most certainly go to James Horner. George Lucas was so impressed
> by his work on Willow that he has publically stated that Horner is his #2
> guy should John Williams be unavailable. However, to me it would be sad if
> John didn't live to complete his own masterpiece.

> So LONG LIVE JOHNNY WILLIAMS!!!

So...if this were to happen, the Imperial March would suddenly be replaced with Khan's theme and the ominous 4-note motif?


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Saturday, March 23, 2002 (12:48 p.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

What a stupid thought.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, March 27, 2002 (9:13 a.m.) 

> What a stupid thought.

Not stupid at all. It's a legitimate question. Fess up to reality. How would you feel to have Joel McNeely, John Debney, or David Arnold scoring the Williams sequels after a possibly untimely death?



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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, March 27, 2002 (4:19 p.m.) 

I'd say McNeely's the best choice, given that he scored Shadows of the Empire.

> Not stupid at all. It's a legitimate question. Fess up to reality. How
> would you feel to have Joel McNeely, John Debney, or David Arnold scoring
> the Williams sequels after a possibly untimely death?


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, April 3, 2002 (1:00 p.m.) 

> Not stupid at all. It's a legitimate question. Fess up to reality. How
> would you feel to have Joel McNeely, John Debney, or David Arnold scoring
> the Williams sequels after a possibly untimely death?

Firstly, if John Williams will be dead, it would ruined Lucas's saga, I personally can not imagine SW movie whitout William's music. If it would be happen I want David Arnold to do this, but IMHO he must have save all old themes and his task would be probably only powerful underscore of the movie. Let's not ask those kind of questions, because who knows what may happen, the evil doesn't sleep...

cheers

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (5:21 p.m.) 

> What a stupid thought.

Anybody who says that about The Maestro(Williams) or the master(Goldsmith)for that matter should be tried and convicted for blasphemy, if only there were such a crime!


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Thursday, April 18, 2002 (6:03 p.m.) 

> Anybody who says that about The Maestro(Williams) or the
> master(Goldsmith)for that matter should be tried and convicted for
> blasphemy, if only there were such a crime!

Well don't let we go so far with that matter, but partly you've got right . Blasphemy - good word for it! . The Maestro- it should be written also in capitals

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Monday, March 25, 2002 (2:53 p.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

Did you happen to see John at the Oscars? He didn't look sickly at all, in fact he looked in the best health he could possibly be in for a man of 70. I will agree that he looked bad at the Olympics, but anybody who goes out in ten degree weather wearing only a sweater is going to look sick. Just don't worry, I'm sure he'll be around for episode III.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, March 26, 2002 (9:15 p.m.) 

Still, it raises an interesting question: Who else could possibly be a suitable composer for the final Star Wars film?

> Did you happen to see John at the Oscars? He didn't look sickly at all, in
> fact he looked in the best health he could possibly be in for a man of 70.
> I will agree that he looked bad at the Olympics, but anybody who goes out
> in ten degree weather wearing only a sweater is going to look sick. Just
> don't worry, I'm sure he'll be around for episode III.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (6:40 p.m.) 

> Did you happen to see John at the Oscars? He didn't look sickly at all, in
> fact he looked in the best health he could possibly be in for a man of 70.
> I will agree that he looked bad at the Olympics, but anybody who goes out
> in ten degree weather wearing only a sweater is going to look sick. Just
> don't worry, I'm sure he'll be around for episode III.

I totally agree. Plus, that hat would make anyone look sickly.

Besides, if he were in bad health, do you really think he would have been out there freezing his butt off in the first place? I mean, there's patriotism, wanting to conduct for the Olympics, etc, and then there's just plain stupidity.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, March 27, 2002 (6:26 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

That would be terrible! But please, don't be so negative about maestro Williams: there are plenty scores everyone likes him to do (Indiana Jones IV, Minority Report, Harry Potter sequels et cetera)... John Williams will live at least ten or fifteen years more, read my lips!


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, March 27, 2002 (9:10 a.m.) 

> What if John Williams dies before Episode III?

Then the force would not be with him.



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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, March 29, 2002 (9:46 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

3 obvious choices:

1. Joel McNeely (Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire)
2. Don Davis (Jurassic Park 3)
3. Michael Giacchino (Medal of Honor series)

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Monday, April 22, 2002 (4:43 a.m.) 

> 3 obvious choices:

> 1. Joel McNeely (Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire)
2. Don Davis
> (Jurassic Park 3)
3. Michael Giacchino (Medal of Honor series)

Yes, Michael Giacchino. Good call bondo.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Monday, April 29, 2002 (1:57 p.m.) 

2. Don Davis
3. Michael Giacchino (Medal of Honor series)

> Yes, Michael Giacchino. Good call bondo.

Though I loved Howard Shore's work on LotR, he wouldn't fit in for SW.

Personally, for me it would be:

1. Randy Edelman
2. Michael Giacchino
3. Danny Elfman



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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 23, 2002 (11:41 a.m.) 

> 3 obvious choices:

> 1. Joel McNeely (Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire)
2. Don Davis
> (Jurassic Park 3)
3. Michael Giacchino (Medal of Honor series)

I agree with you right there! Michael Giacchino should take it over. he knows how to work with theme's, and can write both peaceful and action-cues.
But let's just hope mr. Williams will complete his work for the star wars-trilogy.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, March 29, 2002 (2:35 p.m.) 

I think that Joel McNeely would be ideal composer to this title, he know very well John Williams´ work and he could works with it very well as he did in Shadows of the Empire, from writen composers by bondo he is absolutely best!!! Don Davis is #####!!! I would like to see in Star Wars also David Arnold, he could be GREAT too!!!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Sunday, April 14, 2002 (10:59 a.m.) 

Well...........let's hope he does not pass away....which I think is a better term than dies! If he does pass away....without a doubt, the next greatest composer in line is JERRY GOLDSMITH!!!!!!!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, June 18, 2002 (3:33 a.m.) 

how about Elliot Goldenthal?
He is the only composer in my opinion who can actually give a really really dark meaning to the Empire for Episode III.
Goldenthal is full of originality and i am sure that he will make great use of Williams's themes while at the same time he will add new touches in the Star Wars sound(take for example Williams's use of electric guitar in AOTC).
Goldenthal, like Williams, has the capability to write GREAT music. There is a significant artistic difference between the use of trumpets by Williams and Goldenthal, when compared to the rather pointless "let's use it all the way" brass writing by Debney and Arnold. I can merely imagine how dark the "Empire" theme will be turned, if it is given in the hands of Elliot Goldenthal...
...still though...personally i prefer that John Williams does the job.
...everyone else besides, perhaps, Howard Shore or Jerry Goldsmith are not able to accomplish such demanding task.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, September 4, 2002 (6:19 a.m.) 

> how about Elliot Goldenthal?
He is the only composer in my opinion who
> can actually give a really really dark meaning to the Empire for Episode
> III.
Goldenthal is full of originality and i am sure that he will make
> great use of Williams's themes while at the same time he will add new
> touches in the Star Wars sound(take for example Williams's use of electric
> guitar in AOTC).
Goldenthal, like Williams, has the capability to
> write GREAT music. There is a significant artistic difference between the
> use of trumpets by Williams and Goldenthal, when compared to the rather
> pointless "let's use it all the way" brass writing by Debney and
> Arnold. I can merely imagine how dark the "Empire" theme will be
> turned, if it is given in the hands of Elliot Goldenthal...
...still
> though...personally i prefer that John Williams does the job.
>
...everyone else besides, perhaps, Howard Shore or Jerry Goldsmith are
> not able to accomplish such demanding task.

No... Maybe his score would be dark, but Goldenthal would screw up Star Wars. It must not be atonal, Goldenthal would MAKE it atonal.

You can't expect a composer to change a composer. This is why Goldenthal would be as bad for Star Wars as Zimmer.

Pawel

PS. What do you think about scores I sent you?


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, March 7, 2003 (7:34 p.m.) 

> Well...........let's hope he does not pass away....which I think is a
> better term than dies! If he does pass away....without a doubt, the next
> greatest composer in line is JERRY GOLDSMITH!!!!!!!
First of all I am the next John Williams or James Horner you mark my words. Second HOWARD SHORE what a disgrace to Star Wars. Third there would be no John Williams if it werent for George Lucas? No, there would be no John Williams if it werent for Steven Spielberg Hiring him for Jaws. And finally if you watch the Spiders part of the Minority Report dvd you will see that John still looks as good as ever! Dies before episode three, I seriously doubt it! But lets say for a moment that he does, aside from me, I think that Horner would be a great composer for the Star Wars film franchise his excellent brass theme for Willow proves it to me. Goldsmith would be a close second and then Elfman or Debney. NEVER HOWARD SHORE BY ANY MEANS EVEN IF HE IS THE LAST COMPOSER IN THE WORLD NEVER! His scores are un-star wars like. To say the least.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, April 19, 2002 (4:14 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

How about Howard Shore?
He did a wonderful work oh Lord of the Rings.
True, this is not a "Wagnerian" work, but so are most of Williams' last works.
Look at "Harry Potter", "A.I." "The Phantom Menace" and even "Attack of the Clones". These are much more subtle scores.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Saturday, April 20, 2002 (5:37 p.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?
If John Williams were to die I think Episode III should be given to the hands of an unknown, capable young composer in whom George Lucus sees as "the next John Williams." The greatness of the Star Wars film music came from obscurity, and why not end it on that same note (no pun intended). There would be no John Williams if George Lucus hadn't taken a risk on him, SO TAKE A RISK! May I just personally select Nick Greer! Don't Forget that name, because in 20 years you'll be knocking on my door asking for HIS AUTOGRAPH!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 23, 2002 (4:02 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

Lets all prey that these fears do not come to fruition.

To put some peoples mind's at ease his mother celebrated her 93rd birthday this year so that is positive and he is as active as ever - conducting the Boston Pops this year on a number of occassions, scoring and recording for the Winter Olympics, SW EpII, Minority Report, Catch me if you can, Harry Potter II, was maestro at the Oscars and has reportedly given the nod for Harry Potter III as well as Indiana Jones 4 and of course SW EpIII.

Heres for continuing great health for John Williams!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 23, 2002 (5:49 p.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

If John Williams should die before Episode III, George Lucas should pick out the best
and the most appropriate of John Williams' past Star Wars scores, instead of getting
somebody else to compose new ones. That way the movie will act as a tribute to a fallen
musical genious and also the Star Wars series won't lose its soul.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, April 26, 2002 (3:55 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

Although the cahnces of him passining away are slim, this is a question i'v always asked myself and my answer is simple.

There is no-one else. Star Wars isn't Star Wars without a John Williams score.

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DANNY ELFMAN   Thursday, July 25, 2002 (12:47 a.m.) 

i think danny elfman would make a great star wars score.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, April 30, 2002 (7:04 p.m.) 

Don't jinx it by even saying such a thing! That's almost sacreligious! lol. The best thing is not to even think about it, let him keep scoring! He's been a very busy man the last few years, and he hasn't lost a bit of his edge. He is still the best working composer alive today, if not of all time.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Monday, May 6, 2002 (3:00 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

I think if this real happens whomever take this work would be a biggest challenge in his life. It's all Lucas' fault! Why he had to wait for so long time and then start to try to finish this trilogy?! If he shoot these episode earlier there wouldn't come out this problem! Without JW, Star Wars won't be complete!>


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Sunday, May 26, 2002 (5:16 p.m.) 

If he dies then there will be a substantial ammount of crappy music eliminated from future movies. Praise the lord! After ET I couldn't take it anymore!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Saturday, June 8, 2002 (6:22 p.m.) 

Shut up! You wouldn't know music if it bit you on the ass!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, July 31, 2002 (3:55 a.m.) 

You people are sick thinking such awful thoughts, John is awesome keep living!!!
And I agree with the long waits between films, it makes me cranky, as I need to see Episode 3, want too be in it!!!! Please George, make 7,8 and 9?

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Monday, June 3, 2002 (12:42 p.m.) 

We're not seriously discussing this, are we?

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I don't want it to happen........   Tuesday, June 4, 2002 (1:51 a.m.) 

......besides, I believe John Williams has written a little more music for Star Wars between 1976 and 2002 than what have actually made it to the films and CDs, some of the stuff may have been disapproved by Lucas, which does not necessarily mean that the written stuff was bad; perhaps only not fitting to erratic images George Lucas may have had in his mind.

I am sure John didn't trash the music written irrecoverably; he might have even stored it in his "drawer" and so such "never-before-used" cues, if they exist, could finally get the proper treatment had the above said happened.

To choose among the living composers --once I heard "Somersby" and "Black Beauty" scores-- I would not mind learning one day that Danny Elfman has taken hold of the task of restoring the unused music John Williams has likely left. Among the non-living composers, which is plainly nonsense to even consider, it could have been either Edward Elgar or often-mentioned big Richard Wagner.

Dying before Episode III; hmmm, I'd rather it were unlikely to happen unless anything accidental happens, for which I will pray not to ever be so. John I believe is still on the top of his game; both physically and creativeness-wise.

Let's call it a day, for ever.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Tuesday, June 4, 2002 (3:13 p.m.) 

If Williams were to die that would indeed be very tragic and would defnitely affect Star Wars. It would not be the same without him...however it could still be done. Lucas would have to simply find a composer who has a very similar style to williams. While Goldsmith, Horner and Shore are all great composers...they are nothing like williams in style. I say turn the job over to either David Arnold or John Debney.
Arnold's "Stargate" and Debney's "Cutthroat Island" were both fantastic scores and both have a similar musical style to star wars. either of these composers could easily handle a star wars film. Maybe not to the level of Williams. but they could easily get the job done. I have complete faith in both of them.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, June 7, 2002 (11:20 a.m.) 

"they are nothing like williams in style. I say turn the job over to either David Arnold or John Debney."
Huh??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do you know what are you talking? Okey Arnold's Stargate is really good, but Debney and not Goldsmith? What about Zimmer my friend? Or Alan Silvestri? Elliot Goldenthal?
Why am I asking this, you will say that I'm stupid. But who cares.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Sunday, June 23, 2002 (7:31 a.m.) 

> "they are nothing like williams in style. I say turn the job over to
> either David Arnold or John Debney."
>
Huh??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
Do you know what are you talking? Okey Arnold's Stargate is really
> good, but Debney and not Goldsmith? What about Zimmer my friend? Or Alan
> Silvestri? Elliot Goldenthal?
Why am I asking this, you will say that
> I'm stupid. But who cares.

Oh my, I wonder what Williams himself would think if he read all of this...:O

Greetings from a Dutch fan of John Williams, Star Wars and other SF.

(If my english sucks, blame it on my nationality and the fact I'm only 15)



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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Thursday, July 18, 2002 (3:39 a.m.) 

Huh??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do
> you know what are you talking? Okey Arnold's Stargate is really
Why am
> I asking this, you will say that

> Oh my, I wonder what Williams himself would think if he read all of
> this...:O

> Greetings from a Dutch fan of John Williams, Star Wars and other SF.

> (If my english sucks, blame it on my nationality and the fact I'm only 15)

Hans Zimmer scoring a Star Wars movie!? I don't think so. That you're such a big fan of this man is no reason to say he would be able to replace Williams (by the way, I am talking to Levente Benedek).
David Arnold would not do bad, I agree. Although I think Arnold and Debney (and Silvestri) are no such good composers as they are orchestrators. Goldsmith has to much his own style. I wouldn't know who could satisfyingly replace Williams; maybe Don Davis? Or maybe William Ross, let's await his additional score for Harry Potter 2!

Groeten,
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I will score it........   Thursday, July 25, 2002 (9:47 p.m.) 

...enough said!!

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don davis   Friday, July 2, 2004 (7:30 a.m.) 

don davis will score hit. his matrix score is pretty close to what john has done for starwars ... just keep an eye on that composer!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, August 9, 2002 (3:15 a.m.) 

> "they are nothing like williams in style. I say turn the job over to
> either David Arnold or John Debney."
>
Huh??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
Do you know what are you talking? Okey Arnold's Stargate is really
> good, but Debney and not Goldsmith? What about Zimmer my friend? Or Alan
> Silvestri? Elliot Goldenthal?
Why am I asking this, you will say that
> I'm stupid. But who cares.

Zimmer? Not.

James Horner would makea great Star Wars (Willow had many Star Wars-like cues). If he was given themes he wouldn't use his DU DU DAH DU...

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Thursday, October 10, 2002 (2:00 a.m.) 

Although the death of John Williams would be a serious blow to the Star Warsseries, it would not be the end of the world. The task of scoring Star Wars Episode III should go to either David Arnold, John Debney or , at the absolute outside, Don Davis. By the time Episode III rolls around, there would be themes for practically every character in the movie that the only task for the composer would be to integrate the themes into the underscore, of which there would not be a great deal. This has already been achieved by Don Davis in Jurassic Park III by Don Davis. Therefore the situation would not be as desperate as it seems.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Thursday, October 10, 2002 (8:42 p.m.) 

> Although the death of John Williams would be a serious blow to the Star
> Wars
series, it would not be the end of the world. The task of scoring
> Star Wars Episode III should go to either David Arnold, John Debney
> or , at the absolute outside, Don Davis. By the time Episode III
> rolls around, there would be themes for practically every character in the
> movie that the only task for the composer would be to integrate the themes
> into the underscore, of which there would not be a great deal. This has
> already been achieved by Don Davis in Jurassic Park III by Don
> Davis. Therefore the situation would not be as desperate as it seems.

I thought this topic was settled!! We all know that for a FACT if John Williams happens to die before Episode 3, that George Lucas will mix the original scores and track them on the EP3 movie. Using another composer to score it would be disrespectful,not only that can you imagine James Horner scoring it,I don't know about the rest of you but the sound of Irish Bagpipes playing in outer space just doesn't hang with me.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, June 27, 2003 (2:28 p.m.) 

> I thought this topic was settled!! We all know that for a FACT if John
> Williams happens to die before Episode 3, that George Lucas will mix the
> original scores and track them on the EP3 movie. Using another composer to
> score it would be disrespectful,not only that can you imagine James Horner
> scoring it,I don't know about the rest of you but the sound of Irish
> Bagpipes playing in outer space just doesn't hang with me.

Did Horner use his bagpipes in "Star Trek II"?

No, so don't think that just because he uses them a lot that he will use them here!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, August 9, 2013 (1:31 a.m.) 

> Did Horner use his bagpipes in "Star Trek II"?

> No, so don't think that just because he uses them a lot that he will use
> them here!

Yes he did, actually...


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, October 30, 2002 (11:03 p.m.) 

John Williams was a relatively fresh face when he scored Star Wars, so if this theoretical tragedy occured, it should be someone similar to take the reigns. Horner, Davis, Arnold, Zimmer (good God, can you imagine?), Goldsmith and the like are all established composers with there own styles, and frankly, are competition to Williams, not succesors. If you've heard anything by Michael Giacchino, you'd know that he would be a prime choice to replace the master. He's His music sounds more like Williams than Williams has for the last ten years. Spielberg actually called him a "little John Williams". Although I don't like to encourage it, use whatever file sharing program you have and try to find a song called "Into the Trees", and you'll see what I mean.

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Wednesday, August 13, 2003 (11:43 a.m.) 

> John Williams was a relatively fresh face when he scored Star Wars, so if
> this theoretical tragedy occured, it should be someone similar to take the
> reigns. Horner, Davis, Arnold, Zimmer (good God, can you imagine?),
> Goldsmith and the like are all established composers with there own
> styles, and frankly, are competition to Williams, not succesors. If you've
> heard anything by Michael Giacchino, you'd know that he would be a prime
> choice to replace the master. He's His music sounds more like Williams
> than Williams has for the last ten years. Spielberg actually called him a
> "little John Williams". Although I don't like to encourage it,
> use whatever file sharing program you have and try to find a song called
> "Into the Trees", and you'll see what I mean.

Yeah,Giacchino is the right guy for this job.I recommend listening to his scores for the PC game series Medal of Honor.I promise,you wont be dissapointed...Little Williams

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Hans Zimmer   Saturday, January 25, 2003 (3:46 p.m.) 

Duh!! Zimmer's the best and could easily compose something spectacular for this movie!! Definately ZIMMER!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Thursday, January 22, 2004 (8:18 a.m.) 

The possibility of him dying before SW3 should be taken seriously! Of course I really don't believe he will die, but if he will, I think Jerry Goldsmith should do it (because he did so many Star Trek-films)

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, January 23, 2004 (12:30 a.m.) 

> The possibility of him dying before SW3 should be taken seriously! Of
> course I really don't believe he will die, but if he will, I think Jerry
> Goldsmith should do it (because he did so many Star Trek-films)

He's like 70, the average life expectancy in this country is around 83 or something. He's been conducting and scoring music forever and I've never seen him look tired or worn out...

AND WHAT IF *I* DIE BEFORE I FINISH THIS PO

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Sunday, May 23, 2004 (2:03 p.m.) 

> He's like 70, the average life expectancy in this country is around 83 or
> something. He's been conducting and scoring music forever and I've never
> seen him look tired or worn out...

> AND WHAT IF *I* DIE BEFORE I FINISH THIS PO

All I'm thinking is; how did you press the "Post Comments" button if you're dead?

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From beyond the grave...   Thursday, July 8, 2004 (10:54 a.m.) 

> All I'm thinking is; how did you press the "Post Comments"
> button if you're dead?

Hehe Maybe my newly deceased corpse accidentally hit the "Post Comments" button when it fell onto my mouse. MYSTERIES OF THE UNEXPLAINED... :P

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, August 9, 2013 (1:32 a.m.) 

> The possibility of him dying before SW3 should be taken seriously! Of
> course I really don't believe he will die, but if he will, I think Jerry
> Goldsmith should do it (because he did so many Star Trek-films)

*Sobs* because of the irony.


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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Monday, February 9, 2004 (5:03 p.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

What a ridiculous thread this is turning into. And what happens if the asteriod hits earth before 2005, then there won't even be a release date for the new Star Wars film!

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Monday, March 15, 2004 (12:39 p.m.) 

If John Williams dies before Episode III, Michael Giacchino should score it. Just listen to Medal of Honor, Medal of Honor: Underground, and Medal of Honor: Frontline. This guy is awesome. He has the same talent as John in taking themes and meshing them into a beautiful and exciting score. And that's what Star Wars soundtracks are all about, thematic development (well at least in episodes IV-VI...).

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Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, September 3, 2004 (4:29 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

he aint gonna die before Episode III. Don't b stupid n if he did they'd find someone else as good.


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Ethan R. Smith
Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Saturday, July 27, 2013 (8:26 a.m.) 

> He is looking sickly in his recent years. At the Olympics, he looked like
> a corpse! Who would score Episode III if he dies this year?

John Williams has confirmed that he is scoring Episodes VII, VIII, and IX! I don't think he's going to die before Episode III.



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Drew C.
Re: What if John Williams dies before Episode III?   Friday, August 9, 2013 (1:33 a.m.) 

> John Williams has confirmed that he is scoring Episodes VII, VIII, and
> IX
! I don't think he's going to die before Episode III.

Why are we here on this thread?
Go back to the Scoreboard. Shoo! Shoo!

We're wasting our time


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