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Avatar Score has a progression ending in a trill of horns that sounds

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Avatar Score has a progression ending in a trill of horns that sounds   Sunday, December 27, 2009 (9:12 p.m.) 
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...similar to something in another score, but I can't put my finger on it. It comes up within the first two minutes or so of Track 1 - "You Don't Sleep in Cryo" on the soundtrack, and I also heard it throughout the movie when I saw it at the theater. It has been bothering me since I saw/heard this. Anyone?



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Re: Avatar Score has a progression ending in a trill of horns that sounds   Monday, December 28, 2009 (12:11 p.m.) 

> ...similar to something in another score, but I can't put my finger on it.
> It comes up within the first two minutes or so of Track 1 - "You
> Don't Sleep in Cryo" on the soundtrack, and I also heard it
> throughout the movie when I saw it at the theater. It has been bothering
> me since I saw/heard this. Anyone?

I believe you are referring to the same four-note motif that Horner uses in many of his scores such as Troy, The Spiderwick Chronicles, and most prominent in Enemy at the Gates, where it acts as a significant theme. It is pretty, but Horner's insistence on recycling his own material is becoming very tired. All composers have comfort zones and a understandably recognizable sound to their work, but Horner copies his previous efforts damn near verbatim.



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Re: Avatar Score has a progression ending in a trill of horns that sounds   Monday, December 28, 2009 (1:44 p.m.) 

Yep. Enemy at the Gates. Thanks. I will never let a Horner score drive me insane again.



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Re: Avatar Score has a progression ending in a trill of horns that sounds   Thursday, December 31, 2009 (10:37 a.m.) 
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> I believe you are referring to the same four-note motif that Horner uses
> in many of his scores such as Troy, The Spiderwick Chronicles, and most
> prominent in Enemy at the Gates, where it acts as a significant theme. It
> is pretty, but Horner's insistence on recycling his own material is
> becoming very tired. All composers have comfort zones and a understandably
> recognizable sound to their work, but Horner copies his previous efforts
> damn near verbatim.

Look, man,
If you don't like James Horner, just say it and be done with it. Don't just keep going on, and on, and on! It is really annoying and doesn't do you or anyone else any good. Lets see you compose a score for a two-and a half hour movie! Then write another, and another. James Horner is a great man. He uses themes and sequences that just blow me away! This re-using prosses just links each of his scores together. That is one thing composers like Micheal Giachino and Hans Zimmer lack, a good theme. YOU need to understand that he is trying his best. Would it kill you to SHUT UP! If I see another James Horner score that you rat about over and over I will SCREAM! If you really hate James Horner that much then DON'T BUY ANOTHER ONE OF HIS SCORES EVER! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE COMPOSER, DON'T BUY IT! IT IS JUST ANNOYING


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Re: Avatar Score has a progression ending in a trill of horns that sounds   Saturday, May 15, 2010 (7:09 p.m.) 

Dood, you really need to calm yourself. Getting all hot and bothered over what people say about a composer that you like isn't going to help you at all. I used to do it all the time and I found that all it did was waste my time with grief that didn't need to happen.

All right. Now that that's out of the way, I have to say this: Hans Zimmer has a good theme or two to his credit. If nothing else, Driving Miss Daisy gives him that. Michael Giacchino also has many great themes to his credit (let's not forget that he composed music for video games for many years before his film debut with The Incredibles [which also had a really good theme] and a lot of his great themes were composed for that medium.) I'll definitely admit that Zimmer and Giacchino seem to be in a bit of a rut. But Zimmer has been releasing some nice tracks lately and Giacchino's hasn't lasted too long and he could just pull out of it at any time. I think the only thing that Giacchino needs is to get his orchestrators to start treating his music the way they treated it in The Incredibles and in his video game works like Call of Duty. That way he could write his unrelenting repetition and the music would still be interesting.

Anyway, that's just my thought on that little part of the issue. Again, don't let what people say on this site get to you. You have better things to do with your time than get cheesed off about what somebody on the other end of a computer thinks of James Horner's work.

> Look, man,
> If you don't like James Horner, just say it and be done with it. Don't
> just keep going on, and on, and on! It is really annoying and doesn't do
> you or anyone else any good. Lets see you compose a score for a two-and a
> half hour movie! Then write another, and another. James Horner is a great
> man. He uses themes and sequences that just blow me away! This re-using
> prosses just links each of his scores together. That is one thing
> composers like Micheal Giachino and Hans Zimmer lack, a good theme. YOU
> need to understand that he is trying his best. Would it kill you to SHUT
> UP! If I see another James Horner score that you rat about over and over I
> will SCREAM! If you really hate James Horner that much then DON'T BUY
> ANOTHER ONE OF HIS SCORES EVER! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE COMPOSER, DON'T BUY
> IT! IT IS JUST ANNOYING



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Re: Avatar Score has a progression ending in a trill of horns that sounds   Wednesday, December 30, 2009 (11:02 a.m.) 

> ...similar to something in another score, but I can't put my finger on it.
> It comes up within the first two minutes or so of Track 1 - "You
> Don't Sleep in Cryo" on the soundtrack, and I also heard it
> throughout the movie when I saw it at the theater. It has been bothering
> me since I saw/heard this. Anyone?

Horner mostly uses it as the others say. Also, the last time it was used was actually the last film of Horner, "The boy in the striped pyjamas" - the track was 'Funeral'.



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