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Comments about the soundtrack for Batman Begins (Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard)

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Re: Batman Begins Score
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• Posted by: Ivan orozco   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 3:56 p.m.
• IP Address: 69-172-132-13.atlsfl.adelphia.net
• In Response to: Re: Batman Begins Score (Ken)

> Yes, it truly is a shame that Elfman could not take score this film.
> However, I do believe that the Batman series did need a little bit of
> fresh air. This movie truly needed to be separate from the previous films
> in many fashions and having a different sound track composed was a major
> point on the checklist that I am glad Chris Nolan addressed. Unfortunatly,
> I couldn't disagree more with most of what you said afterwards. Weather
> Hans Zimmer has more or less experience is hardly of any consequence. It
> is the product, not the experience of the composer, that counts most. His
> score to Gladiator was original during Maximusís dying scenes, but other
> than that, it is (at its core) regurgitation of the final fire scene from
> Backdraft.

> Certainly the score for Batman Begins is a lot more effective than many of
> Hans's recent works (minus Tears of the Sun) but to be honest, I have to
> agree with the main review in that Zimmer didn't properly adjust himself
> and, like Horner when they give him time, simply regurgitated a lot of
> previously written material. This, to put it quite simply, just shows how
> truly unoriginal Hans has become.

> To take some of the pressure of this scores shortcomings off of Hans, I
> truly believe that the two-note motive (that serves as the primary theme)
> is entirely a result of James Newton Howards minimalist phase (trying to
> improve on his genious work on Signs.) That was one thing about the score
> that annoyed me the most. Only once did they even bother to change the
> chord when the second note was stated. This is a very lazy concept. And,
> while it did make for a great great moment when we first get to see a big
> shot of the Batcave, it still takes away from the rest of the score. Main
> themes that are that simplistic CANNOT be regurgitated time and time
> again, with no variation, and remain interesting. That is not a good
> product, and I truly believe that James Newton Howard should have been
> able to notice that the score was going in that very poor direction and
> put a stop to it.

> Once again, I left the theater with more of a feeling of bitterness and
> annoyance with the score than interest and a longing for more. What I
> heard was one of the most over-rated film scorers and one of the truly
> best film scorers just doing what they wanted. It truly was Hans Zimmer
> and James Newton Howard composing the score to Batman Begins. At least,
> with Danny Elfman, the main theme sounded like BATMAN composed by danny
> elfman. Understand the significant difference?? Danny Elfman re-invented
> himself as a composer while composing the original Batman Scores. And
> then, you have this score where neither composer makes any true effort to
> compose Batman. They just compose their stuff and thatís it. I understand
> that there is a certain amount of Zimmer or Howard to be expected whenever
> their name comes up on a screen. But to have a movie this good fall to the
> ďTitanicĒ mentality of a composer is just wrong.

> These are just my feelings about the score. I hope that I havenít offended
> anybody with them, and I hope they serve as good food for thought.

as a matter of fact ken you did you need to shut the hell up and enjoy this soundtrack for what it is you crybaby huh




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