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Comments about the soundtrack for Batman Begins (Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard)
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Yeah yeah whatever...   Monday, October 24, 2005 (8:39 a.m.) 

No matter how you slice it, Batman Begins wasn't your average comic book film. It was a film centered around a character, his development, and ultimately him finding himself. It wasn't another lame Burton/Schumacher "What will we do?! *Gasp* Its Batman coming to save the day!!" film. This was a classic-style character film. And what do they usually require? Understated but basically effective score, which is what Zimmer and Howard gave us. Clemmensen, stop trying to put your "analysis" of movies into your reviews, because you show ignorance of the art of cinema every time you do. If you were to give this two stars based solely on the album of MUSIC (which you are good at reviewing) then that would be understandable. But please, stop acting like a film critic, because that you are not.

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Re: Yeah yeah whatever...   Monday, October 24, 2005 (8:41 a.m.) 

And I just want to add that that post may come off as aggressive, but that isn't my intention. This is just something that bugs me about your reviews, and I *intend* it as constructive criticism. Keep it to the MUSIC.

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Re: Yeah yeah whatever...   Saturday, January 21, 2006 (3:55 p.m.) 

Um.... but don't you think that the content of the movie should have something to do with the way that the music for that movie is percieved??
Also, the "What do we do? Yay! It's Batman" Genre is how Superhero Movies used to be when they were at their grandest. Surely you remember Superman. If you think that's old and dull, cool. Don't watch it more than the one time you absolutely HAD to sit through it in the theater. Ya know? Elfmans music was a perfect fit for THAT Batman. And it was Elfman who redefined himself as a composer to write that score. Howard and Zimmer didn't budge at all to fit the film, but rather tried to force-feed their current favorite things into the movie. That's what I don't like about it in perticular. You can probably say the same thing about the Elfman score, but the big difference is that Elfman not only redefinied himself, but he composed a very exciting score that truly fit the movie. And to me, this score fit the movie about as well as OJ's glove.

Anyway, I hope I haven't insulted or anything here. Just wanted to create some food for thought. You do have some great thoughts, but I think that opinion-based issues can easily throw off rational discussions a little.

Happy listening.

> And I just want to add that that post may come off as aggressive, but that
> isn't my intention. This is just something that bugs me about your
> reviews, and I *intend* it as constructive criticism. Keep it to the
> MUSIC.


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Re: Yeah yeah whatever...   Wednesday, May 24, 2006 (3:14 p.m.) 

> Um.... but don't you think that the content of the movie should have
> something to do with the way that the music for that movie is percieved??
>
Also, the "What do we do? Yay! It's Batman" Genre is how
> Superhero Movies used to be when they were at their grandest. Surely you
> remember Superman. If you think that's old and dull, cool. Don't watch it
> more than the one time you absolutely HAD to sit through it in the
> theater. Ya know? Elfmans music was a perfect fit for THAT Batman. And it
> was Elfman who redefined himself as a composer to write that score. Howard
> and Zimmer didn't budge at all to fit the film, but rather tried to
> force-feed their current favorite things into the movie. That's what I
> don't like about it in perticular. You can probably say the same thing
> about the Elfman score, but the big difference is that Elfman not only
> redefinied himself, but he composed a very exciting score that truly fit
> the movie. And to me, this score fit the movie about as well as OJ's
> glove.

> Anyway, I hope I haven't insulted or anything here. Just wanted to create
> some food for thought. You do have some great thoughts, but I think that
> opinion-based issues can easily throw off rational discussions a little.

> Happy listening.

Actually, apart from the statements about the movie (and in certain places where I believe he implies the music should have been bigger), I agree with his review. I'm no fan of this album, I simply disagree with his assessment of the movie and, quite frankly, his tasteless comparison of them to the Burton trash (which, regardless of its "classic" status, I fail to see quality in). I believe that Newton and Howard were on the right track stylistically for this Batman; but that said, I still agree with Clemmenson's ratings for both Begins and the original Batman.

Oh, and I love Superman, and other superhero movies that are lighter in style as well, although referring to a time when superhero movies were at their grandest goes right over my head--if you ask me, that time is NOW, as I don't believe a good superhero movie came between Superman II and X-Men. Batman, however, is a totally different story in tone and intent, and I think Nolan handled it more appropriately than Burton, whose visuals were great, but got just about everything else wrong.

I wouldn't be against the next score for this franchise referencing and/or quoting the Elfman score a little, though.

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