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Batman Begins Poor Official Review

Arksun
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Batman Begins Poor Official Review   Tuesday, July 1, 2008 (12:09 p.m.) 
• Now Playing: Batman Begins soundtrack  

Oh look, its reviewed by another of these clearly anti-Zimmer biased reviewers that likes to compare everything he's ever done to the Rock soundtrack *yawn*

Gimme a break, its a shame because I thought this might be a half decent soundtrack review site.

Firstly, ALL composers have their signature sound that runs through everything, more so Danny Elfman than Zimmer I'd say, yet I dont see you official reviewers complaining as much about that!. Pure bias.

Secondly, this craps all over the Rock soundtrack from a great height. You can hear his mastery and experience from years of work shine through in what is I think one of the most emotionally moving soundtracks ever made.

I first stumbled across a track from the Batman Begins soundtrack by accident on someones myspace page, it was one of those stop what you're doing moments and just melt into the sound. This soundtrack is such a work of beauty, I ordered it that very day and when it arrived was not dissapointed.

Also the reviewers wrong in stating Howard had little noticeable part in the soundtrack. I can hear his signature style a lot in this!, especially in the Macrotus and Corynorhinus tracks. I was surprised by just how well their sounds blended together for this.

In terms of fitting the film, it was perfect, it helped give the film its own seperate identity from the original franchise and Dannys faster more full on style of music.

I still love the first Batman movie and Dannys score, but this is equally as stunning and much prefer listening to the Batman Begins soundtrack at home.

So can we quit the lame Zimmer (oh nooo not as good as the rock again) official reviews now please. kthnxbye.


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Arksun
Re: Batman Begins Poor Official Review   Sunday, July 13, 2008 (6:09 p.m.) 

> Oh look, its reviewed by another of these clearly anti-Zimmer biased
> reviewers that likes to compare everything he's ever done to the Rock
> soundtrack *yawn*

The thing is that this score is comparable to The Rock because it sounds so much like it. The themes and tunes are almost interchangeable.

> Firstly, ALL composers have their signature sound that runs through
> everything, more so Danny Elfman than Zimmer I'd say, yet I dont see you
> official reviewers complaining as much about that!. Pure bias.

They don't complain about it, they simply point it out. It's good for a composer to have his own signature sound. Zimmer's, however, is not a very good one to have because it is boring, simplistic, and results in completely predictable scores. His "style", if you can call it that, is so restricted that most of his scores all sound the same and Batman Begins is no different. Other composers churn out unique scores that don't at all sound the same but still have their composer's unique sound and style. Zimmer is incapable of writing such a score (at least for big summer blockbusters). There is no denying that Zimmer has written some very good scores in his past though.

> Secondly, this craps all over the Rock soundtrack from a great height. You
> can hear his mastery and experience from years of work shine through in
> what is I think one of the most emotionally moving soundtracks ever made.

If you think this is "one of the most emotionally moving soundtracks ever made", you need to get out and listen to other scores from other composers (and perhaps even Zimmer).

> I first stumbled across a track from the Batman Begins soundtrack by
> accident on someones myspace page, it was one of those stop what you're
> doing moments and just melt into the sound. This soundtrack is such a work
> of beauty, I ordered it that very day and when it arrived was not
> dissapointed.

Good for you.

> Also the reviewers wrong in stating Howard had little noticeable part in
> the soundtrack. I can hear his signature style a lot in this!, especially
> in the Macrotus and Corynorhinus tracks. I was surprised by just how well
> their sounds blended together for this.

You named two tracks. Two tracks! Two out of how many? Twelve! 2/12 doesn't seem like a whole lot.

> In terms of fitting the film, it was perfect, it helped give the film its
> own seperate identity from the original franchise and Dannys faster more
> full on style of music.

On this point we can agree. The score worked great in the film. I just can't help but imagine what the film would be like if it was given to a more capable composer, perhaps Howard by himself.



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Re: Batman Begins Poor Official Review   Monday, July 14, 2008 (3:39 a.m.) 

> If you think this is "one of the most emotionally moving soundtracks
> ever made", you need to get out and listen to other scores from other
> composers (and perhaps even Zimmer).

I listen to a lot of Zimmers work, along with James Newton Howard, John Williams, Howard Shore, James Horner, Ennio Morricone, Danny Elfman, Vangelis...... I'm a huge soundtrack lover and listen to soundtracks all the time. So yes, I stand by my comment that this is one of the most emotionally moving soundtracks I've ever heard in the vast catalogue of soundtracks I've listened to and enjoyed over the years.

The problem with anti-zimmer people is that they are unable to sit down and let the music emote and wash over them, instead its like its already in the back of his head this seed of "if I hear a melody remotely similar to something from the Rock I'm going to hate this" , the same way a child see's a green vegetable and hates the way it tastes before even putting it in their mouths. Once they do of course, the seed of dis-taste is already soo strong they will hate it regardless.

Maybe I'm just lucky in listening on high-end reference speakers which brings out the full beauty of its sound and that those that dont get it are listening on tinny little speakers. But more likely its just a taste difference.

If there's one thing that can be said, its that in ANY genre or style of music, when a person doesn't like an artist, or genere, a big part of the reasoning is the argument that it 'all sounds the same'. This has applied to dance, rock, indie, you name it. Human nature to respond in this way for sure, but it has no place in Official reviews imho. An official review shouldn't just be about whats on paper, because this is music, where the emotional and/or physical response comes first.

But we'll just end up going round in circles here. You have your taste I have mine



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John
Re: Batman Begins Poor Official Review   Monday, August 4, 2008 (5:13 a.m.) 

> I listen to a lot of Zimmers work, along with James Newton Howard, John
> Williams, Howard Shore, James Horner, Ennio Morricone, Danny Elfman,
> Vangelis...... I'm a huge soundtrack lover and listen to soundtracks all
> the time. So yes, I stand by my comment that this is one of the most
> emotionally moving soundtracks I've ever heard in the vast catalogue of
> soundtracks I've listened to and enjoyed over the years.

> The problem with anti-zimmer people is that they are unable to sit down
> and let the music emote and wash over them, instead its like its already
> in the back of his head this seed of "if I hear a melody remotely
> similar to something from the Rock I'm going to hate this" , the same
> way a child see's a green vegetable and hates the way it tastes before
> even putting it in their mouths. Once they do of course, the seed of
> dis-taste is already soo strong they will hate it regardless.

> Maybe I'm just lucky in listening on high-end reference speakers which
> brings out the full beauty of its sound and that those that dont get it
> are listening on tinny little speakers. But more likely its just a taste
> difference.

> If there's one thing that can be said, its that in ANY genre or style of
> music, when a person doesn't like an artist, or genere, a big part of the
> reasoning is the argument that it 'all sounds the same'. This has applied
> to dance, rock, indie, you name it. Human nature to respond in this way
> for sure, but it has no place in Official reviews imho. An official review
> shouldn't just be about whats on paper, because this is music, where the
> emotional and/or physical response comes first.

> But we'll just end up going round in circles here. You have your taste I
> have mine

Christian doesn't hate Zimmer, most of his reviews involve a three or four star rating.


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Re: Batman Begins Poor Official Review   Friday, September 22, 2017 (8:41 a.m.) 

Who's reading this forum a decade later?


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Re: Batman Begins Poor Official Review   Tuesday, September 26, 2017 (8:18 a.m.) 

> Who's reading this forum a decade later?

I am. And I don't like Batman Begins now any more than I did a decade ago.


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