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Comments about the soundtrack for Batman Forever (Elliot Goldenthal)
Score deserves four stars not two.

Krishna Manohar
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Matthias
Score deserves four stars not two.   Tuesday, May 27, 2003 (1:13 p.m.) 

Yes, Batman Forever is a very unusual score but Elliot Goldenthal is not your ordinary composer. He is truly the most original and intelligent composer
working today. Batman Forever was a silly but fun parody of the comic series
and Elliot's music was right on target.


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Re: Score deserves four stars not two.   Tuesday, May 27, 2003 (4:25 p.m.) 

Absolutely wright! There is not only the great march (which appears much more often than only in the beginning and the end), but also just amazing passages like the Strauss-like "Fledermausmarschmusik" or the Goldenthal-typical bombastic but yet short finale in "Batterdammerung". Well there are a lot of themes in here, one very somber for Harvey Two-Face as one of my favorites. To critsize the excessive use of electronics and crazy ideas is like to critisize a cook who tries to make an oversalted soup eatable by putting some vinegar in it (BTW: That works, really!!!). Goldenthal fights against a daffy movie with everything that lies in his power. And all the crazy stuff in the score makes the album a much better expierience, than the movie, which only through Goldenthal's music gives you the hint: "Don't take me serious."
Goldenthals exzessive use of electronics and buggy 50's-horror-movie-sounds is of course a point of criticism, that cannot be denied, but should not be weightened to much (How the hell did you came on 2 stars?!?!?).
Don't belief this review! The CD is very enjoyable, sometimes a bit overloaded, but never on 2-stars-niveau.
And the comparison with Elfmans very funny scores on which it's great to listen to is just blinkered: The quasi big-budget-debut of a young composer (Elfman) who comes with a lot of crazy and melodically good ideas, but also has its compositional weakness (which it buries under a lot of noise sometimes) on the one hand and a much more eloborated remittance work by a more developed composer (as Goldenthal by that time already was, and Elfman wasn't when he wrote Batman) on which noise follows more(!!) a system than on the other.
And then a comparison between both, following the motto "That sounds crazy -> 5 points, that is too crazy for my taste -> 2 points.": No good argumentation, too emotional.
The music is really not the best Goldenthal, but also no unlistenable noisy dirt. It's a funny eloborated music and should be ratet as such: 4 Stars.

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Matthias N.
Re: Score deserves four stars not two.   Wednesday, May 28, 2003 (1:55 a.m.) 

I dissagree, many themes complete themselves even before the cue have finished.


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Re: Score deserves four stars not two.   Tuesday, June 3, 2003 (3:56 p.m.) 

> I dissagree, many themes complete themselves even before the cue have
> finished.

I agree with your statement. It is not Goldenthal's best work but
still interesting. I just wish listener would not bash the composer
based on this one soundtrack. Elliot Goldenthal is truly one of
the most original composers out there. Him and James Newton
Howard are outstanding.

-Kris

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Re: Score deserves four stars not two.   Monday, September 15, 2003 (10:20 a.m.) 

> I dissagree, many themes complete themselves even before the cue have finished.

Themes, Themes! Goldenthal throws them around everyones ears and when they do not appear (OH YES, that can happen in filmmusic !!!) he fills every open listener with joy with great melodical ideas and rythms. I realize (while not being a Goldenthal hardcore fan) that on this site some of the greatest efforts of Goldenthal (Alien³, Demolition Man, Titus) are reviewed so badly, that I call it a plague, that this site is the most read in the Net. And maybe it shows, that US-Americans have even a non-normal relationship to one of their few own cultural effusions. Their are German, French, Italian sites who are far better than this polemic nightmare, you have to go through while reading every review.
The Reviews (not only on Goldenthal music) lack everything: professionality, objectivity, knowledge of the works of music and sometimes even the will to be honest.
This site is one of the worst filmmusic sites on the net. No matter how many read it. God bless MusicFromTheMovies.com and cinemusic.net. Without them you could start to believe, that no American understands even the tiniest things, filmmusic can be.



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