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All these anti-Hornerists, go home!

David Pintado
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Dan Sartori
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All these anti-Hornerists, go home!   Thursday, April 11, 2002 (10:23 p.m.) 

I am tired of large quantities of people writing posts, stating how they can't stand Horner and his repetitions. Fine. He's used some of his earlier thematic work and has incorporated it in his others. So, what? The point is, his music is the only music in a movie that have really created a lot of emotional response from. People keep praising John Williams, stating he's the greatest, he's the best. Sure he's good to fulfill that emotion where upbeat, happy type of music is needed. Adventurous and heroic. However, real life isn't full of the good guys always winning. I dunno. I just feel like Horner's music is a little more down to earth, in that I can find a lot of personal emotions that are supplemented with his music. Perhaps it is because I am an actor and roles that are created to express one in adventure, wonderment etc. is only a facade. Relating to something truly emotional and not so surface is what I find in a Horner score. There is something truly moving in his style, despite the is repetition.

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Re: All these anti-Hornerists, go home!   Friday, April 12, 2002 (10:22 p.m.) 

> I am tired of large quantities of people writing posts, stating how they
> can't stand Horner and his repetitions. Fine. He's used some of his
> earlier thematic work and has incorporated it in his others. So, what? The
> point is, his music is the only music in a movie that have really created
> a lot of emotional response from. People keep praising John Williams,
> stating he's the greatest, he's the best. Sure he's good to fulfill that
> emotion where upbeat, happy type of music is needed. Adventurous and
> heroic. However, real life isn't full of the good guys always winning. I
> dunno. I just feel like Horner's music is a little more down to earth, in
> that I can find a lot of personal emotions that are supplemented with his
> music. Perhaps it is because I am an actor and roles that are created to
> express one in adventure, wonderment etc. is only a facade. Relating to
> something truly emotional and not so surface is what I find in a Horner
> score. There is something truly moving in his style, despite the is
> repetition.

I agree with you completely. I would like to point out that most of life IS repetition (one's routine) and that John Nash most likely had to struggle with repeating the same feelings and thought patterns all his life. I think that the main difference between Williams and Horner is a basic difference in style. Horner FAR outdistances Williams when it comes to more mellow, introverted scores - a major disappointment I have of Williams is that he seems to shy away from works that don't break out into full-fledged orchestral might in every other cue. Even his best attempts at this type of scoring (The Patriot, Schindler's List) fall far short of Horner's exquisite contributions. Glory is a classic example of a self-controlled soundtrack in a film which keeps the whole situation in a very small context. Williams is a wonderful composer, don't get me wrong, but he plainly lacks the ability to create a score that can move you without forcing you to be moved, if you get my drift. Williams' style of composition is much better suited to powerful and pompous movies. I think the reason why Williams is given the huge amount of praise that he is is primarily because people in America like powerful music.

Dan

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Dan Sartori
The Middle School Rule: only dorks like Horner   Friday, April 12, 2002 (10:36 p.m.) 

> I agree with you completely. I would like to point out that most of life
> IS repetition (one's routine) and that John Nash most likely had to
> struggle with repeating the same feelings and thought patterns all his
> life. I think that the main difference between Williams and Horner is a
> basic difference in style. Horner FAR outdistances Williams when it comes
> to more mellow, introverted scores - a major disappointment I have of
> Williams is that he seems to shy away from works that don't break out into
> full-fledged orchestral might in every other cue. Even his best attempts
> at this type of scoring (The Patriot, Schindler's List) fall far short of
> Horner's exquisite contributions. Glory is a classic example of a
> self-controlled soundtrack in a film which keeps the whole situation in a
> very small context. Williams is a wonderful composer, don't get me wrong,
> but he plainly lacks the ability to create a score that can move you
> without forcing you to be moved, if you get my drift. Williams' style of
> composition is much better suited to powerful and pompous movies. I think
> the reason why Williams is given the huge amount of praise that he is is
> primarily because people in America like powerful music.

I think Dan has a point, although when it comes to a score I prefer a well balanced combination of both power and grace. One thing that I do disagree on, however, is the reason why Williams is so popular. I think it is because he has composed works for some of the most well known and well liked films. For example, I had not heard of Legends of the Fall until a few years ago, but I grew up knowing most everything about Indiana Jones and Star Wars, and even Jaws. It pretty much is just like being back in middle school, you have to like what is in or else you're not cool.

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Re: The Middle School Rule: only dorks like Horner   Sunday, April 14, 2002 (12:44 a.m.) 

> I think Dan has a point, although when it comes to a score I prefer a well
> balanced combination of both power and grace. One thing that I do disagree
> on, however, is the reason why Williams is so popular. I think it is
> because he has composed works for some of the most well known and well
> liked films. For example, I had not heard of Legends of the Fall until a
> few years ago, but I grew up knowing most everything about Indiana Jones
> and Star Wars, and even Jaws. It pretty much is just like being back in
> middle school, you have to like what is in or else you're not cool.

Damn! I knew I've been doing something wrong this whole time!

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Re: The Middle School Rule: only dorks like Horner   Sunday, May 12, 2002 (1:43 p.m.) 

> I think Dan has a point, although when it comes to a score I prefer a well
> balanced combination of both power and grace. One thing that I do disagree
> on, however, is the reason why Williams is so popular. I think it is
> because he has composed works for some of the most well known and well
> liked films. For example, I had not heard of Legends of the Fall until a
> few years ago, but I grew up knowing most everything about Indiana Jones
> and Star Wars, and even Jaws. It pretty much is just like being back in
> middle school, you have to like what is in or else you're not cool.

This is true, but I think to some extent at least Williams has changed his style to accomodate the desires of the general populace. I've always wondered why Williams hasn't come out with more subdued scores every once in a while. It seems to me that he uses loud and brassy a bit too much. I loved his two most notable "softer" scores (Schindler's List and The Patriot) and would like to hear more of this from John.

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I second that!   Tuesday, April 16, 2002 (10:51 a.m.) 

His Irish music influences are just thrilling and also quite original...
...and when it all comes together with 20th's century's composition techniques (he uses a lot in action scenes)-it's more than a simple SCORE...

Vestard, a new fan of Horner

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Re: All these anti-Hornerists, go home!   Saturday, March 8, 2003 (7:34 p.m.) 

> I am tired of large quantities of people writing posts, stating how they
> can't stand Horner and his repetitions. Fine. He's used some of his
> earlier thematic work and has incorporated it in his others. So, what? The
> point is, his music is the only music in a movie that have really created
> a lot of emotional response from. People keep praising John Williams,
> stating he's the greatest, he's the best. Sure he's good to fulfill that
> emotion where upbeat, happy type of music is needed. Adventurous and
> heroic. However, real life isn't full of the good guys always winning. I
> dunno. I just feel like Horner's music is a little more down to earth, in
> that I can find a lot of personal emotions that are supplemented with his
> music. Perhaps it is because I am an actor and roles that are created to
> express one in adventure, wonderment etc. is only a facade. Relating to
> something truly emotional and not so surface is what I find in a Horner
> score. There is something truly moving in his style, despite the is
> repetition.
I completely agree. I am a Composer myself and writing the type of music that John Williams writes is a little eaisier than the type that Horner composes. Horners music is typically more moving and that is difficult to do. And for Horner to be able to do that shows true talent. Williams is excellent but Horner is a little better (in my opinion) I may be the only person ever to think that, but that is how I feel. His music far more beautiful and describes a film like A Beautiful Mind perfectly!

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Re: All these anti-Hornerists, go home!   Saturday, June 7, 2003 (12:16 p.m.) 

=
You must stop comparing Horner to Williams. Both of them have different technical styles. Williams work in everything. Scientifc-Ficition, Drama, Adventure ...
But Horner'scores is more sensitive than Williams(except Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan witch was impressively).

But we can't forget the Williams's contribution for the spread of soundtrack. Thanks to him, today we can find more easily soundtrack cd's.

Of course Horner's his credit. Titanic and Braveheart scores, was compared to Dr. Zhivago for its popularity between non-soundtrack-fans.

One more thing. The Academy was always injustice with Both Horner and Williams.
Scores like A Beautiful Mind, Glory, Braveheart, Cath me if you can, Saving private Ryan, Home Alone didn't receive the award and it's the most mistake of Academy Awards.

> I am tired of large quantities of people writing posts, stating how they
> can't stand Horner and his repetitions. Fine. He's used some of his
> earlier thematic work and has incorporated it in his others. So, what? The
> point is, his music is the only music in a movie that have really created
> a lot of emotional response from. People keep praising John Williams,
> stating he's the greatest, he's the best. Sure he's good to fulfill that
> emotion where upbeat, happy type of music is needed. Adventurous and
> heroic. However, real life isn't full of the good guys always winning. I
> dunno. I just feel like Horner's music is a little more down to earth, in
> that I can find a lot of personal emotions that are supplemented with his
> music. Perhaps it is because I am an actor and roles that are created to
> express one in adventure, wonderment etc. is only a facade. Relating to
> something truly emotional and not so surface is what I find in a Horner
> score. There is something truly moving in his style, despite the is
> repetition.


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