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12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Wednesday, November 20, 2002 (6:28 p.m.) 

1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are evil. He hates those practices because they blind us to His loving ways, then turn our hearts to a deceptive quest for self-empowerment and deadly thrills. Harry Potter's world may be fictional, but the timeless pagan practices it promotes are real and deadly. Well aware that the final result is spiritual bondage and oppression, He warns us:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12

2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its power to change beliefs and values. Imaginary (or virtual) experiences and well-written fantasies can affect the mind and memories as much, if not more, than actual experiences.[3] Designed to stir feelings and produce strong emotional responses, a well-planned myth with likeable characters can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily reality -- especially when reinforced through books, toys and games as well as movies. Small wonder Harry's fans have been counting the days until their next fantastic journey into Hogwarts' classes on sorcery, divination, potions and spells.

"But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24

3. Each occult image and enticing suggestion prompts the audience to feel more at home in the dark, paranormal setting. Children identify with their favorite characters and learn to see wizards and witches from a popular peer perspective rather than from God's perspective. Those who sense that the occult world is evil face a choice: Resist peer pressure or rationalize their imagined participation in Harry's supernatural adventures.

The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift the child's perception of values from God's perspective to a more "comfortable" cultural adaptation. Even Christian children can easily learn to conform truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values upside down - just as did God's people in Old Testament days:

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness....
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21

Harry Potter Special [Magazine] interviews actors Daniel Radcliffe (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron), Tom Felton (Draco), Harry Melling (Dudley):

If you could cast a spell on someone, what would it be?

Daniel: "If I liked them, it would be a spell where I'd give them special power, like invisibility.

Your favorite word in the Harry Potter books?

Daniel: "I like the word--it's very bad to say this--but I like the word Voldemort."

What magical power would you like to have?

Rupert: "I'd like to levitate."

Do you prefer to play a bad or good character?

Tom: "Bad. It's more fun because it is different.

What magical power would you want to have?

Tom: "Invisibility. So I could sneak around and go places I shouldn't."

Did you find it hard torturing Harry?

Harry M: "No. I found it quite fun, actually."[4]

Harry Potter Special: Inside the Magical Magazine (Primedia, Inc.), pages 24, 26.

David Rockefeller ( "search" for "Rockefeller" on this site), Vice-President, Financial Operations.

4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what is good." (Romans 12:9) But when Christian children and teens love the Harry Potter myths, delight in the movie and read the books again and again, they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is evil. The natural next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and "abhor" what He calls good.

"You love evil more than good...." Psalm 52:3

5. Immersed in the values taught at Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and Wizardry, children become spiritually blind. They lose their natural aversion for the devious spirits represented by the creatures and symbols in this eerie world. Caught up in the exciting story, they absorb the suggested values and store the fascinating images in their minds -- making the forbidden world of the occult seem more normal than the Kingdom of God.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9

6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. After all, who will stop, think and weigh the evidence when caught up in such a fast-moving visual adventure? Fun fantasies and strategic entertainment has a special way of altering values, compromising beliefs and changing behavior in adults as well as in children. This learning process has been named "edutainment" -- a favored way to train multicultural citizens for the envisioned 21st century community. Its power to influence beliefs and behavior is illustrated by today's marketing firms which spend billions on entertaining ads that touch emotions, ignore the facts, yet motivate people to buy the product.

"Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, and revive me in Your way." Psalm 119:37

7. The main product marketed through this movie is a belief system that clashes with everything God offers us for our peace and security. This pagan ideology comes complete with trading cards, computer and other wizardly games, clothes and decorations stamped with HP symbols, action figures and cuddly dolls and audio cassettes that could keep the child's minds focused on the occult all day and into night. But in God's eyes, such paraphernalia become little more than lures and doorways to deeper involvement with the occult. In contrast, He calls a person "blessed" who -

"walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,

nor stands in the path of sinners,

nor sits in the seat of the scornful [mockers];

"But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he meditates day and night. Whatever he does shall prosper." Psalm 1:1-3

It might be hard to escape the symbols that remind people of Harry. His words and phrases help fuel today's cultural transformation:

The mainstream media uses the word "muggles" to deride those who don't want children to read Harry Potter books.

"A columnist from the Chicago Daily Herald used Harry-Speak.... He said that a particular NBC Olympics commentator was the 'dementor of the sports commentators.'"

"Coeur d'Alene, Idaho is going to name this year's snowstorms after the Harry Potter characters. The first blizzard of the year will be called Albus...."[4]

8. The implied source of power behind Harry's magical feats tend to distort a child's understanding of God. In the movie as in the books, words traditionally used to refer to occult practices become so familiar that children begin to apply the same terms to God and His promised strength. Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as just another form of magic. They base their understanding of God on their own feelings and wants, not on His revelation of Himself.

"You thought that I was altogether like you; but I will rebuke you...." Psalm 50:21

9. Blind to the true nature of God, children will synthesize or blend Biblical truth with the pagan beliefs and magical practices demonstrated in the Harry Potter movie. In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant of true Christian faith. For our God cannot be molded to match pagan gods.

“For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:1

10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go." It starts with teaching them God's truths and training them all day long to see reality from His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need to shield them from contrary values until they know His Word and have memorized enough Scriptures to be able to recognize and resist deception. Once they have learned to love what God loves and see from His perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom by choosing to say "no" to Harry Potter.

“And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up." Deuteronomy 6:6-7

11. While some argue that Harry Potter and his friends demonstrate friendship, integrity and honesty, they actually model how to lie and steal and get away with it. Their examples only add to the cultural relativism embraced by most children today who are honest when it doesn't cost anything, but who lie and cheat when it serves their purpose.

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased [depraved] mind, to do those things which are not fitting.... They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:28-32

12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He gives them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and delight in His Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His constant care -- no matter what happens around us. Harry Potter's deceptive thrills are worse than worthless when compared to the wonderful riches our Shepherd promises those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Philippians 4:6-8

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Grow Up   Thursday, November 21, 2002 (1:26 p.m.) 

Get a life! It’s just a Movie/Book. It has nothing to do with the bible or god and neither does this site. I can’t understand why you would take something like this so personally. Worry about stuff that matters and posts your comments at a site that has something to do with your subject, this site is about film music.
But chances are your some immature kid that wants attention thought it would be funny to post something random a this site.
Grow Up!


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Re: Grow Up   Thursday, November 21, 2002 (4:15 p.m.) 

> ]But chances are your some immature kid
> that wants attention thought it would be funny to post something random a
> this site.
Grow Up!

Probably not, his post is too complex and detailed. I'd say this was genuine.

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Re: Grow Up   Thursday, November 21, 2002 (6:55 p.m.) 

Still it was uncalled for, rude, and he is getting upset over nothing.
And has nothing to do with this site.

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Re: Grow Up   Thursday, November 21, 2002 (9:14 p.m.) 

I'm not a child but whether I am or not is irrelevant. What struck me was that you said it was "just a movie/book". I find it unlikely you actually read what I wrote. Much of which is thought provoking and was designed to get you to think about the subconscious(desensitizing really) effects "harmless" things have on us. Ok, I'm not saying Jaws will cause someone to be a killer but murder isn't the only thing that God considers evil.

I urge you to read.

http://www.geocities.com/lilmacumd/escape.html

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Re: Grow Up   Friday, November 22, 2002 (11:48 a.m.) 

When Jesus turns water into wine, it's a miracle. When Potter and classmates turn water into rum, it's satanic.

Go figure.



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Re: Grow Up   Saturday, November 23, 2002 (6:08 p.m.) 

> When Jesus turns water into wine, it's a miracle. When Potter and
> classmates turn water into rum, it's satanic.

> Go figure.

I agree completely. Nothing bad about being religious but don't force it on me.. as far as I know there's more proof of Harry Potter being real than God. Sorry.

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Re: Grow Up   Saturday, December 7, 2002 (12:59 a.m.) 

Okay. I think this religion thing has gone way too far. I am still confused about why religious people are upset about Harry Potter in the first place. I even heard that they were burning up the books. I personally think that this is plain selfishness. These people would destroy books just because it stated things that were against their beliefs. Haven't they even learned that you should respect the beliefs of others whether they differ from their own. If it weren't for this respectfulness, the entire world would have to go through one chaotic war. Anyway, there is hardly any religion involved or at least meant to be involved in the books. And if those religious people are so keen on burning books that state negative things about their beliefs, why don't they go ahead and burn other wonderful books such as Demian or even The Lord Of The Rings?
I am not a believer in God, nor do I have a firm religion at this time. But I think we should understand that the Harry Potter books are fictional. They do not rely on anything religious. The entire world of Harry Potter is just one very successful creation by Rowling.
I hope that we won't have to discuss anything religious anymore about Harry Potter - EC

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Stop Posting Religion!   Saturday, December 7, 2002 (1:02 a.m.) 

Okay. I think this religion thing has gone way too far. I am still confused about why religious people are upset about Harry Potter in the first place. I even heard that they were burning up the books. I personally think that this is plain selfishness. These people would destroy books just because it stated things that were against their beliefs. Haven't they even learned that you should respect the beliefs of others whether they differ from their own. If it weren't for this respectfulness, the entire world would have to go through one chaotic war. Anyway, there is hardly any religion involved or at least meant to be involved in the books. And if those religious people are so keen on burning books that state negative things about their beliefs, why don't they go ahead and burn other wonderful books such as Demian or even The Lord Of The Rings?
I am not a believer in God, nor do I have a firm religion at this time. But I think we should understand that the Harry Potter books are fictional. They do not rely on anything religious. The entire world of Harry Potter is just one very successful creation by Rowling.
I hope that we won't have to discuss anything religious anymore about Harry Potter - EC

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Re: Stop Posting Religion!   Sunday, April 6, 2003 (5:21 p.m.) 

> Okay. I think this religion thing has gone way too far. I am still
> confused about why religious people are upset about Harry Potter in the
> first place. I even heard that they were burning up the books. I
> personally think that this is plain selfishness. These people would
> destroy books just because it stated things that were against their
> beliefs. Haven't they even learned that you should respect the beliefs of
> others whether they differ from their own. If it weren't for this
> respectfulness, the entire world would have to go through one chaotic war.
> Anyway, there is hardly any religion involved or at least meant to be
> involved in the books. And if those religious people are so keen on
> burning books that state negative things about their beliefs, why don't
> they go ahead and burn other wonderful books such as Demian or even The
> Lord Of The Rings?
I am not a believer in God, nor do I have a firm
> religion at this time. But I think we should understand that the Harry
> Potter books are fictional. They do not rely on anything religious. The
> entire world of Harry Potter is just one very successful creation by
> Rowling.
I hope that we won't have to discuss anything religious
> anymore about Harry Potter - EC
Let them burn the books. The more they burn the more they have to buy which means J.K. Rowling simply gets more money to write books. This means that there are more movies for John Williams to score.

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The Final Chapter   Friday, July 18, 2003 (1:49 a.m.) 

HARRY POTTER AND THE SEARCH FOR A KING (part 1 of 2)

Harry was walking back to Gryffndor House with Ron and Hermione after
leading his Quidditch team to another victory. They were talking about
their Potions class when Hedwig appeared with a note. "Who is it from?" Ron
asked. "Hagrid," Harry replied. "He says that he has to talk to me right
away about something very important." It had been quite a while since Harry
had seen his old friend, and was curious what could be so urgent. "I think
I better go see Hagrid right away," Harry said. I will see you two at
dinner.

So, Harry made his way across the grounds to the edge of the forbidden
forest where Hagrid's small wooden house was. When Harry knocked on the
door, he heard the familiar bark of Hagrid's enormous black boarhound, Fang.
After a moment, the door opened and Harry's old friend, Hagrid reached out
and gave Harry a big hug. "Harry Potter, I have missed you!" said Hagrid.
"I've missed you too Hagrid," Harry replied, "I have been so busy with my
classes, with Quidditch practice." Harry walked into the one-room house and
sat down. "Your note said that you had something very important to tell me
Hagrid. What is it?" Harry asked.

Hagrid sat down and looked at his young friend. "Harry, I have received
word through some friends that your uncle wants to see you. They say he is
very ill, and has to speak to you before he dies." It had been a long time
since Harry had thought about the Dursleys. Harry did not have fond
memories at all of his time living with his aunt and uncle. They made it
obvious he was a burden to them. If his uncle was that sick, why would he
want to see Harry? "Harry, I don't trust the Dursleys. They are typical
Muggles, and I don't trust them at all. It may be a trick of some kind,"
Hagrid said. Harry thought for a moment, "Hagrid, I really don't know why
my uncle would want to see me, but if he is sick, and went to the trouble to
contact me, I should go see him." "I still don't trust him Harry, but if
that is what you want, I'll take you there. You wait here and I will go
talk to Professor Dumbledore and explain what is happening, and get some
transportation. You keep Fang company, and I'll be back in a bit," Hagrid
bellowed as he left the house.

A short time later, Harry heard a loud roaring engine and ran out the front
door. There in the front yard was a huge motorcycle with his giant friend
driving. "This is the exact same motorcycle that I drove the night I took
you from your parent's home to the Dursleys," Hagrid beamed. "Come on
Harry, get on, and hang on tight!" Harry jumped on the back of the
motorcycle behind Hagrid and all of a sudden, the motorcycle began to roar
to life and took off through the countryside, slowly rising above the ground
and into the air. Harry's mind was racing the entire trip, wondering why
his uncle wanted to see him, of all people, before he died. He really
dreaded going back to that house where he had so many unpleasant memories,
but felt like he was obligated to honor his uncle's wish.

In no time at all, the motorcycle was breaking through the clouds, and
slowly making its way back to the ground, easing onto the familiar street
where the Dursleys lived. Instantly, they came to a stop. There it was, #4
Privet Drive, the home of the Dursleys. The place Harry lived for 10 years
after his parents were killed. Harry was not sure this was a good idea, but
he had come this far. "Do you want me to come with you Harry?" Hagrid
asked. "No, I am OK, thanks," Harry replied. "All right my friend.
When you are ready to come back, send Hedwig to come get me and I will be
here in no time," Hagrid said. Harry hugged his friend, and heard the sound
of the motorcycle engine fading in the distance as he walked up and knocked
on the front door of the Dursley home.

The door opened and Harry was looking into the eyes of Dudley Dursley.
Harry held his breath, expecting the normal tirade of insults from his
cousin, but instead was greeted by a huge smile on Dudley's plump face.
"Harry, it is great to see you. I have missed you," Dudley exclaimed.
"MOM! Harry is here. Come in Harry, come in. After all, you are home,"
Dudley said. Harry was really confused now as he stepped into the place he
lived for so many years, yet never did feel that it was his home. From the
kitchen appeared his Aunt Petunia. She hurried over to Harry, wrapping her
arms around him in a loving hug that Harry had never felt from her before.
She was actually sobbing gently as she said,"Harry, I am so glad you decided
to come. Thank you." Harry was totally confused now. Dudley was actually
nice to him, Aunt Petunia was crying and said that she was happy to see him,
there was something very wrong here. Harry could not even speak. He didn't
know what to say.

"Harry, I am so glad that you got here when you did. I didn't think you
would make it. Your uncle is very ill and the doctors have done all they
could for him. He probably won't make it through the night, but he so
desperately wanted to see you before he died. Please, come on upstairs to
his room. He has been waiting for you," Aunt Petunia said while quickly
leading Harry up the steps to the bedroom Vernon Dursley was in. As she
pushed open the door, the room was pitch dark except for a small light on
the stand next to the bed. She grabbed Harry's hand tightly and led him
into the room by the bed.

As they stood there, Harry's eyes adjusted to the darkness and he could see
the outline of his uncle laying on the bed. "Vernon," Mrs. Dursely
whispered, "Harry is here." Harry could see his uncle's eyes were closed,
but slowly, one of them opened half way. He had no expression on his face,
but seeing Harry, managed a slight smile. "Petunia, help me to sit up
please, and leave me to talk to Harry," Mr. Dursley asked. His wife helped
him up, spun around and hugged Harry on the way out of the room, whispering
in his ear, "I love you Harry." She then kissed his forehead and left the
room, shutting the door behind her.

Harry's mind was trying to understand what was happening. Something was
very wrong. For years, the Dursleys acted like Harry didn't exist. Now his
Uncle made the effort to get a message to Hagrid for Harry to come home and
see him before he died. Dudley was nice to him, and his Aunt not only
kissed his forehead, something she had never done before, but told Harry
that she loved him. Harry's thoughts were interrupted by the weak, but
familiar voice of Vernon Dursley asking Harry to sit on the edge of the bed.
As Harry sat down, Mr. Dursley, now with both eyes wide open, looked at
Harry. He slowly reached out and took Harry's hand in his.

Looking into Harry's eyes Mr. Dursley squeezed his hand and said, "thank you
for coming Harry. I don't have much time left, but I had to see you before
I die. Harry, I want you to know how sorry I am for the way I treated you
all those years that you lived here. I am more ashamed of that than
anything else in my life. I know that I can never make up to you for how
your were mistreated, but I had to see you before I die to tell you that I
am sorry, and ask you to forgive me. Harry Potter, will you forgive me?"
Now Harry was certain something was wrong. This must be a trick of some
sort. Maybe it is a trap. Voldemort might have cast some sort of spell
over the Dursleys.

Harry didn't know what to say. Mr. Dursley, whose voice was getting weaker,
whispered, "Harry, I don't blame you if you won't forgive me, but I had to
at least apologize and tell you that I am so sorry." Harry could now see
tears streaming down Mr. Dursley's pale cheeks. For the first time since
stepping into the Dursely home, Harry was finally able utter a few words.
As he saw his Uncle laying there, crying, squeezing his hand, Harry said, "I
forgive you." As the words came off of Harry's lips, he saw the tears stop.
There was a peace that came over his uncle's face. With his eyes closed,
squeezing Harry's hand tightly, Vernon Dursley softly said, "Harry Potter, I
love you. My time in this life is over, and I am going to see the King."

As he uttered the word King, Vernon Dursely took his last breath. Harry sat
on the bed, still holding the hand of his uncle. He was replaying the last
few moments that he had spent alone with his uncle. Why was it so important
to his uncle for Harry to forgive him? After all of the years that he lived
in this house, he had never once heard the Dursleys speak kindly to him, let
alone say they loved him. First Aunt Petunia, now Uncle Vernon. Something
was really wrong in this house. It had to be a spell of some sort. But
who,and why? For what reason? Maybe the answer lies in this King he spoke of
going to see when he died. I need to find out who this King is.

Harry was back in his old bedroom, laying in his bed, trying to get some
much needed sleep. Just a few hours earlier he had been at Hogwarts,
playing Quidditch, laughing with Ron and Hermione. But Harry sensed deep
down that something important was happening to him. He couldn't put his
finger on it, but somehow Harry knew things were very different in the
Dursley home. As tired as Harry was from a long day at school, then the
journey with Hagrid to the Dursleys, and finally the emotional meeting with
his uncle, he simply could not sleep.

Harry continued to wonder if Voldemort had cast a spell on the Dursleys and
he had walked right into a trap. As he tossed and turned in his bed, all of
a sudden Harry froze. The moon was full and its light came thru the window
and illuminated part of the wall. There hanging on the wall was a picture
of a man in a long white robe riding a white horse. On his thigh was
written the words, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!

Harry bolted up in a cold sweat. Was this the King that his uncle said that
he was going to go see when he died? Who was this King riding the white
horse? Harry was now wide awake. He quietly slipped out of his room and
went down the hall to Dudley's room. Harry lightly tapped on the door.
There was no response so he tapped again and said in a hushed voice,
"Dudley, its Harry. Wake up, I need to talk to you." After a moment, Harry
heard footsteps approaching the door, and slowly it opened. Dudley had been
sound asleep and rubbing his eyes, asked, "what's wrong Harry, are you OK?"
"Dudley, I must talk to you right now. It is urgent," Harry said.

Dudley opened the door for Harry, flipped on the light switch, and climbed
into his bed. He motioned for Harry to sit on the chair beside the bed. As
Harry sat down, he looked around and realized in all the years he had lived
in the Dursley house, this was the first time he had ever been in his
cousin's bedroom. Dudley would never allow Harry to even step one foot
inside. "Dudley," Harry said,"something very strange is going on here." Dudley, now wide awake, looked at Harry and smiled. "You are right Harry, things are not the same as they
used to be. Things changed in our home about six months ago," Dudley
stated. Before Dudley could go on, Harry interrupted him. "Right before he
died, your father told me that he was going to see a King," Harry declared.
"Who was this King that he was going to go see?" Harry asked.

A big smile broke out on Dudley's round face. "My dad is with Jesus,
Harry," Dudley beamed. "Six months ago, we all became Christians," Dudley
proudly announced. Harry looked at his cousin with a puzzled look. He had
heard of Christians before, but really didn't know much about them except
they were Muggles that did not like witches and wizards. That even made him
more curious since if the Dursleys had become Christians, they would dislike
Harry even more than before. Now he was really confused. "But, I thought
Christians did not like witches and wizards," Harry said. "No Harry,
Christians love everyone, but they do not always like the things people
choose to do," Dudley said.

Harry was now very curious. "How did you become a Christian, Dudley?" he
asked. "Well, about a year ago, one of my friends who was a Christian kept
asking me to go to church with him. Our family would go on Christmas, but I
never liked it much. Since I wouldn't go to church with him, he started to
forward me these Devotionals he was getting from some Christian in the U.S.
I used to delete them, but one day I started to read them. Harry, they were
amazing. Every day they talked about God, and real life problems, and that
all the answers to life were in God's book. One day, I decided that I
wanted to become a Christian, so I got down on my knees, right here in this
room Harry, and asked Jesus Christ into my heart," Dudley said.

Harry's head was now spinning. He felt hot like there was some sort of
spell being cast on him. He barely heard Dudley tell how within a week of
becoming a Christian, his mom and dad also accepted Jesus into their hearts
and became Christians too. Harry felt like running out of the room, but for
some reason he couldn't move. He was sure now that someone had cast a spell
on him but he was powerless to do anything about it. It was at that moment
Harry saw a bright light and heard a loud deep voice. "Harry Potter," the
voice bellowed, "renounce wizardry and accept Jesus as your King and you
will have powers greater than any wizard or witch that ever lived!"

"Dudley," Harry cried, "did you hear that?" "Hear what?" Dudley replied.
"That voice!" Harry said. "Are you all right Harry? Nobody is here but
us," Dudley said. Harry told Dudley what he had heard and Dudley looked at
his cousin smiling. "Harry," he said, "that must have been God speaking to
you." All of a sudden, a perfect peace came over Harry. He looked at
Dudley and said, "Dudley, I want to become a Christian!" Dudley leaped off
the bed, and wrapped his arms around Harry. "Come on Harry, you can do it
right now," he said excitedly. Dudley told Harry to get on his knees and
led him in a prayer to accept Jesus Christ into his heart.

When he finished, with tears streaming down his face, Harry Potter realized
that something special had just happened to him. It was not a magic spell.
It was not anything that he had ever experienced before in his life. He had
such a peace about him. Deep inside, he knew that something was different.
As he stood up, his hair flew to the side and his cousin gasped. "Harry,
look at your scar!" Dudley cried out. Harry looked into the the mirror on
Dudley's dresser and froze . The scar in the shape of a lightning bolt that
he had received as a baby when Voldemort tired to kill him, had changed into
a cross! Harry Potter had found the KING!

***If you want to find the King and become a Christian like Harry Potter
did, please take a moment and pray for God to open your heart, then read the
words at this link:
www.liveprayer.com/bdy_salvatn.html . Also, please take a moment and say a
prayer for Harry Potter's
author, J.K. Rowling, that she will invite Jesus Christ into her heart and
also become a Christian.



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Re: Grow Up   Friday, November 22, 2002 (1:29 p.m.) 

Your still making a big deal over nothing.
Its nothing more than a story. There is nothing wrong with the book or movie that will turn people evil.
Your just trying to start up trouble because your hate the fact people are reading Harry Potter books and not the Bible.

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Re: Grow Up   Tuesday, November 26, 2002 (12:02 p.m.) 

> Your still making a big deal over nothing.
Its nothing more than a
> story. There is nothing wrong with the book or movie that will turn people
> evil.
Your just trying to start up trouble because your hate the fact
> people are reading Harry Potter books and not the Bible.

Essentially, you are correct about the original author's intentions. Psychologically, righteous religious followers feel the urge to convert others and profess its cause in the name of God. It never occurs to them that spirituality is individual and personal. The real evil is the Pride evoked from one's religion when it must be enforced upon others in some fashion because it is "right." (Let's try another Inquisition, eh? Yeah, that'll set the non-believers straight.)

If one religion is "right" and another is "right," then who is really right? Neither. They are merely (mis)interpretations of the inherent human concept of faith. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet...but not where religion is concerned.

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what would you rather have???   Friday, April 18, 2003 (7:50 p.m.) 

would you rather have kids running around trying to shoot ppl like they see in movies or learn some ideals about friendship from Harry Potter exe. Ron and Harry risk their lives to save Hermionie(sorry if not spelled right)would you rather have kids spend all day in front of a T.V or reading a book??I will tell you right now this is not from some adult that is observing and telling her opinion this is from a 14 year old teenager that sees people getting shot in movies and in real life sorry to say but its not spells or wizards that do it its ppl with guns so complain about that instead of a book teaching people Values and giving kids like me a chance to escape the real world full of hate and violence even just for a little wile. Not to mention you say that harry potter is wicked and an abomination to god and if he influences everybody than you sitting there telling a 14 year old that SHES an abomination because i have read Harry Potter many times!BTW i read your whole letter i doubt you would pay so much respect to anothers belifes......i feel sorry for you

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Re: Re: Grow Up   Wednesday, April 19, 2006 (3:52 a.m.) 

> I'm not a child but whether I am or not is irrelevant. What struck me was
> that you said it was "just a movie/book". I find it unlikely you
> actually read what I wrote. Much of which is thought provoking and was
> designed to get you to think about the subconscious(desensitizing really)
> effects "harmless" things have on us. Ok, I'm not saying Jaws
> will cause someone to be a killer but murder isn't the only thing that God
> considers evil.

> I urge you to read.

> http://www.geocities.com/lilmacumd/escape.html

Whoever the hell you are, you still fail to provide any PROOF of your views. All this "falling to the occult" stuff; it just doesn't happen. If you do have any proof that any of this stuff you describe is actually happening, or would like me to proove that it doesn't happen, please feel free to email me at noodlenashers@hotmail.com or post a response to anythig by A. S. Stevenson.

P. S. I actually did read all your stuff.

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Re: Grow Up   Tuesday, April 25, 2006 (4:39 p.m.) 

Are you nuts!?! What are these "subconscious" and "desensitizing" effects? Who has been affected by them? How do they affect us? Do they actually exist? NO! This crap you have posted doesn't happen!!! HP really is harmless, you . The books/movies don't have these evil demonic effects!

OK, little kids might believe in magic and for a while, but that's just a phase. I'll bet it even happened to you. They grow out of it. In the modern civilisation we inhabit, few mature people believe in magic and those that do are not taken seriously and are often insane.

Even the most devoted and fanatical HP fans (who I do not associate myself with) probably do not believe that magic is real.

I urge you to get a life. Fast.

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Re: Grow Up   Wednesday, April 19, 2006 (4:17 a.m.) 

You're right; I this trial lawyer guy's webiste; you can find it at any of the things he has posted here. He is a real nutcase and I hope he's reading this so he understands just how dumb he is.

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Good God! What do you think?   Thursday, November 21, 2002 (11:14 p.m.) 

God tells us this, God shows us that, bla blah blah, blah blah blah blah... As I have asked others before, don't you have a self conceived opinion of, well, anything? Stop seeing things through other peoples' eyes and look through your own. Then, ask yourself? How is this movie, or magic harmful when neither is real.

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Re: Good God! What do you think?   Friday, November 22, 2002 (12:50 p.m.) 

> God tells us this, God shows us that, bla blah blah, blah blah blah
> blah... As I have asked others before, don't you have a self conceived
> opinion of, well, anything? Stop seeing things through other peoples' eyes
> and look through your own. Then, ask yourself? How is this movie, or magic
> harmful when neither is real.

Been there, done that, and I still think the series isn't anything significant. Hmmm, and I have that self concieved opinion despite being a Christian. My point, yeah sure God tells us this, and shows us that, but there are some things that don't need to focus on that attribute in order for us to be turned off to them.

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Re: Good God! What do you think?   Saturday, January 8, 2005 (8:03 p.m.) 

I TOTALLY AGREE!! the HP story isnt about turning people against their religions! its an interesting story containing great msgs about good overcoming evil! thats what religion and christianity should be about.. not memorising a old book with stories about things that may have never happend! at least the harry potter books teach people about usefull good things that help the world instead of an old book that teaches stuf that has no relation to the modern world! thank u

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Friday, November 22, 2002 (5:21 p.m.) 

Read that, SILLY PARANOIC:

Harry Potter is ONLY a movie saga! (and a book saga also) Do you understand? Simply they´re BOOKS and MOVIES. Do you understand at least? BOOKS and MOVIES.

If you´re so clever, paranoic fool, then try fight something more powerful than simply books and movies, come on... and please, stop writing laughin´ things like this.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Monday, November 25, 2002 (12:16 p.m.) 

That was only one reason spread out into 12 you illiterate idiot. at least try and think of more than one reason. you said "God says its bad." that sums up your whole post, and either way, you are judgemental, rude and writing about something that has nothing to do with this MUSIC oriented site.
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PS: Don't try to convert people you don't know: its rude, and half of the people offended by your post are Catholics/Christians anyway (myself included) and we are more offended by your post than the movie.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Friday, June 27, 2003 (11:33 a.m.) 

>You really only have one reason.:( You simply drug it out. Children will learn and believe what their parents teach them.:) They aren't always influenced by what they see,hear, or read. The books and movies of Harry Potter are not bad. It's how you choose to view them. Yes, we have been told in the bible that witchcraft is bad and should be avoided. Most children will see the books and movies for what they are, fiction and something you can learn good qualities from even though there are some that are wrong. They learn to distinguish good from bad. Their parents are the ones responsible for helping them to do this, not other people.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Tuesday, November 26, 2002 (2:23 a.m.) 

Below is a copy of a post I made to another message preaching the same message.

George Orwell would probably say this is doubleplus ungood (just as my friend Mithrandir has said several times). If one were to look toward the Bible for guidance, what would Jesus have to say about someone or a group of people profiting (selling T-shirts) on the basis of spurring a conflict in his name? Perhaps a reading of Stan Lee's "God Woke" may provide an answer.

Sheldon's post has no relevance to this site (obviously), but an intellectual reply should be made. Truth cannot be obtained, but we strive for it and seek it out--misinterpreting it all our lives. This concept is nothing new; it's been around since Plato. There's nothing particularly wrong with misinterpreting truth and seeking it out, just as long as we *know* we are.

This old censorious cycle of sustaining beliefs (whatever offshoot of Christianity Sheldon is advertising) with emergent ones that may or may not even exist (Rowling's mythos) is quite embarassing for the human race--but we have been doing it since time began (so why not keep doing it, right?). The Romans conquered the Greeks and absorbed their culture (and religion), renaming the gods. When Christianity began, the Romans persecuted the Christians. Nazi beliefs (yes, they were religious in nature) spurred the persecution of the Jews. And now, it's a persecution of Wicca (or anything un-Christian) and even perhaps the beginning of persecuting Middle Eastern religious groups. And on and on and on.

As far as stopping Harry Potter in any sense, that notion defies what is at the heart of America and its Constitution: the freedom of beliefs and of speech. So, until we have the police state of Orwell's 1984 and the Ministry of Truth, don't hold your breath. And then, once we do, that'll be all any of us can do (along with holding our tongue).

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P.S. Why would wizards and witches celebrate Christmas (as is shown in the first Harry Potter film)? Hmmmmm.

> 1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are
> evil. He hates those practices because they blind us to His loving ways,
> then turn our hearts to a deceptive quest for self-empowerment and deadly
> thrills. Harry Potter's world may be fictional, but the timeless pagan
> practices it promotes are real and deadly. Well aware that the final
> result is spiritual bondage and oppression, He warns us:

> "There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices
> witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
> or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls
> up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the
> Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12

> 2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its
> power to change beliefs and values. Imaginary (or virtual) experiences and
> well-written fantasies can affect the mind and memories as much, if not
> more, than actual experiences.[3] Designed to stir feelings and produce
> strong emotional responses, a well-planned myth with likeable characters
> can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily reality --
> especially when reinforced through books, toys and games as well as
> movies. Small wonder Harry's fans have been counting the days until their
> next fantastic journey into Hogwarts' classes on sorcery, divination,
> potions and spells.

> "But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the
> counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward,
> and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24

> 3. Each occult image and enticing suggestion prompts the audience to feel
> more at home in the dark, paranormal setting. Children identify with their
> favorite characters and learn to see wizards and witches from a popular
> peer perspective rather than from God's perspective. Those who sense that
> the occult world is evil face a choice: Resist peer pressure or
> rationalize their imagined participation in Harry's supernatural
> adventures.

> The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and
> justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift the child's perception
> of values from God's perspective to a more "comfortable"
> cultural adaptation. Even Christian children can easily learn to conform
> truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values upside down - just as
> did God's people in Old Testament days:

> "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness
> for light, and light for darkness....
Woe to those who are wise in
> their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21

> Harry Potter Special [Magazine] interviews actors Daniel Radcliffe
> (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron), Tom Felton (Draco), Harry Melling (Dudley):

> If you could cast a spell on someone, what would it be?

> Daniel: "If I liked them, it would be a spell where I'd give them
> special power, like invisibility.

> Your favorite word in the Harry Potter books?

> Daniel: "I like the word--it's very bad to say this--but I like the
> word Voldemort."

> What magical power would you like to have?

> Rupert: "I'd like to levitate."

> Do you prefer to play a bad or good character?

> Tom: "Bad. It's more fun because it is different.

> What magical power would you want to have?

> Tom: "Invisibility. So I could sneak around and go places I
> shouldn't."

> Did you find it hard torturing Harry?

> Harry M: "No. I found it quite fun, actually."[4]

> Harry Potter Special: Inside the Magical Magazine (Primedia, Inc.), pages
> 24, 26.

> David Rockefeller ( "search" for "Rockefeller" on this
> site), Vice-President, Financial Operations.

> 4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what
> is good." (Romans 12:9) But when Christian children and teens love
> the Harry Potter myths, delight in the movie and read the books again and
> again, they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning
> God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is
> evil. The natural next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and
> "abhor" what He calls good.

> "You love evil more than good...." Psalm 52:3

> 5. Immersed in the values taught at Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and
> Wizardry, children become spiritually blind. They lose their natural
> aversion for the devious spirits represented by the creatures and symbols
> in this eerie world. Caught up in the exciting story, they absorb the
> suggested values and store the fascinating images in their minds -- making
> the forbidden world of the occult seem more normal than the Kingdom of
> God.

> Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
> according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of
> the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9

> 6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and
> impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. After all, who will stop,
> think and weigh the evidence when caught up in such a fast-moving visual
> adventure? Fun fantasies and strategic entertainment has a special way of
> altering values, compromising beliefs and changing behavior in adults as
> well as in children. This learning process has been named
> "edutainment" -- a favored way to train multicultural citizens
> for the envisioned 21st century community. Its power to influence beliefs
> and behavior is illustrated by today's marketing firms which spend
> billions on entertaining ads that touch emotions, ignore the facts, yet
> motivate people to buy the product.

> "Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, and revive me in
> Your way." Psalm 119:37

> 7. The main product marketed through this movie is a belief system that
> clashes with everything God offers us for our peace and security. This
> pagan ideology comes complete with trading cards, computer and other
> wizardly games, clothes and decorations stamped with HP symbols, action
> figures and cuddly dolls and audio cassettes that could keep the child's
> minds focused on the occult all day and into night. But in God's eyes,
> such paraphernalia become little more than lures and doorways to deeper
> involvement with the occult. In contrast, He calls a person
> "blessed" who -

> "walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,

> nor stands in the path of sinners,

> nor sits in the seat of the scornful [mockers];

> "But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he
> meditates day and night. Whatever he does shall prosper." Psalm 1:1-3

> It might be hard to escape the symbols that remind people of Harry. His
> words and phrases help fuel today's cultural transformation:

> The mainstream media uses the word "muggles" to deride those who
> don't want children to read Harry Potter books.

> "A columnist from the Chicago Daily Herald used Harry-Speak.... He
> said that a particular NBC Olympics commentator was the 'dementor of the
> sports commentators.'"

> "Coeur d'Alene, Idaho is going to name this year's snowstorms after
> the Harry Potter characters. The first blizzard of the year will be called
> Albus...."[4]

> 8. The implied source of power behind Harry's magical feats tend to
> distort a child's understanding of God. In the movie as in the books,
> words traditionally used to refer to occult practices become so familiar
> that children begin to apply the same terms to God and His promised
> strength. Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated
> with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as
> just another form of magic. They base their understanding of God on their
> own feelings and wants, not on His revelation of Himself.

> "You thought that I was altogether like you; but I will rebuke
> you...." Psalm 50:21

> 9. Blind to the true nature of God, children will synthesize or blend
> Biblical truth with the pagan beliefs and magical practices demonstrated
> in the Harry Potter movie. In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant
> of true Christian faith. For our God cannot be molded to match pagan gods.

> “For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the
> fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken
> cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:1

> 10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go."
> It starts with teaching them God's truths and training them all day long
> to see reality from His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need
> to shield them from contrary values until they know His Word and have
> memorized enough Scriptures to be able to recognize and resist deception.
> Once they have learned to love what God loves and see from His
> perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom by choosing to say
> "no" to Harry Potter.

> “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You
> shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when
> you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and
> when you rise up." Deuteronomy 6:6-7

> 11. While some argue that Harry Potter and his friends demonstrate
> friendship, integrity and honesty, they actually model how to lie and
> steal and get away with it. Their examples only add to the cultural
> relativism embraced by most children today who are honest when it doesn't
> cost anything, but who lie and cheat when it serves their purpose.

> "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God
> gave them over to a debased [depraved] mind, to do those things which are
> not fitting.... They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent,
> proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
> undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who,
> knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things
> are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who
> practice them." Romans 1:28-32

> 12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He
> gives them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and
> delight in His Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His
> constant care -- no matter what happens around us. Harry Potter's
> deceptive thrills are worse than worthless when compared to the wonderful
> riches our Shepherd promises those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.

> "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and
> supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
> and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your
> hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

> Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble,
> whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are
> lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if
> there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Philippians
> 4:6-8

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Your Opinion Sucks and is Worthless to the Known World of Mankind, You Idiot!   Friday, May 16, 2003 (7:01 p.m.) 

Dear Person with no apparent life,
We are here to inform you that your opinion sucks. Can you please read something else other than the Bible? Don't get us wrong, we are all out Christians and everything but we just don't see the "Evil" lurking in the books. you! and your opinion! We just don't get the point, or maybe there is no point to get.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Tuesday, November 26, 2002 (3:03 a.m.) 

It is certainly hard for us to look at the Bible as a text written by men, which shares in how other mythologies and philosophies were written--not to mention recreating Mesopotamian mythology's creation and flood stories. But it is interesting to hear this argument:

> a well-planned myth with likeable characters
> can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily reality --
> especially when reinforced through books, toys and games as well as
> movies.

It's no wonder that good Christians have become absorbed into this fundamentalist attitude that anything non-Christian is "bad" when one remembers that the Bible, too, is a myth with "likeable characters" and has the most propaganda available.

"It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live."

> 3. Each occult image and enticing suggestion prompts the audience to feel
> more at home in the dark, paranormal setting. Children identify with their
> favorite characters and learn to see wizards and witches from a popular
> peer perspective rather than from God's perspective. Those who sense that

No one can have "God's perspective." If one were omniscient, he/she would no doubt flee in madness at the realization of Truth, understanding our petty squabbles over power and religion.

> The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and
> justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift the child's perception
> of values from God's perspective to a more "comfortable"
> cultural adaptation. Even Christian children can easily learn to conform
> truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values upside down - just as
> did God's people in Old Testament days:

It is more important to be good, than to be Christian. For any religion's sin is its dogma that spurs those hungry for power and a reassurance of a future life to commit inhumane acts (or, even, un-Christian acts).

> 4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what
> is good." (Romans 12:9) But when Christian children and teens love
> the Harry Potter myths, delight in the movie and read the books again and
> again, they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning
> God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is
> evil. The natural next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and
> "abhor" what He calls good.

Ridiculous hogwash! Persecuting others and not understanding them is turning Truth upside down. What is not Christian is not evil. This binary argument, the polarized debate fueled by misguided intentions, is the real harm for our future.

> 5. Immersed in the values taught at Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and
> Wizardry, children become spiritually blind. They lose their natural
> aversion for the devious spirits represented by the creatures and symbols
> in this eerie world. Caught up in the exciting story, they absorb the
> suggested values and store the fascinating images in their minds -- making
> the forbidden world of the occult seem more normal than the Kingdom of
> God.

Ahem. The children at Hogwarts cannot be any children. Those children are born with a magical gift.

> Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
> according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of
> the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9

What an appropriate clause to sustain its followers. No matter what kind of reasoning is made, no matter how sound or how just, if it does not apply to Christ, then it is "bad." Of course, it doesn't help that the Bible can be interpreted in every imaginable way.

> 6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and
> impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. After all, who will stop,

Rational scrutiny seems to have been avoided here. This particular view is from the inside looking out, not from the outside looking in. Rationally, one should reflect on both views and arrive at some form of Truth.

> 7. The main product marketed through this movie is a belief system that
> clashes with everything God offers us for our peace and security. This
> pagan ideology comes complete with trading cards, computer and other
> wizardly games, clothes and decorations stamped with HP symbols, action
> figures and cuddly dolls and audio cassettes that could keep the child's
> minds focused on the occult all day and into night. But in God's eyes,
> such paraphernalia become little more than lures and doorways to deeper
> involvement with the occult.

You should concern yourself with commercialism and materialism, rather than a mythos. For there are many mythos available, including the Greek and Roman varieties, that have not garnered any attention. And there have been films, comic books, and even action figures made of them as well. What about Christian propaganda? How did Jesus react to the merchants in the temple?

> Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated
> with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as
> just another form of magic. They base their understanding of God on their
> own feelings and wants, not on His revelation of Himself.

This is the best argument made, although it has nothing to do with Harry Potter. The points made in this message's argument are also based on the author's "own feelings and wants." He/She wants to sustain Christianity by persecuting others or censoring art (which is a form of persecution), which is no doubt built on a foundation of strong feelings that it is "the right thing to do."

> 9. Blind to the true nature of God, children will synthesize or blend
> Biblical truth with the pagan beliefs and magical practices demonstrated
> in the Harry Potter movie. In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant
> of true Christian faith. For our God cannot be molded to match pagan gods.

No one knows the true nature of God. We have perceptions of the true nature, but we will never know until our deaths. Christianity is only one of many perceptions of God--a flavor, if you will.

If you want to study the blending of Pagan beliefs with Christianity, you may want to consider researching the origins of All Saints Day and even Christmas itself. Historically, they both are grounded seasonally with Pagan beliefs. (And why should that matter if it is about being good and kind?)

> 10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go."
> It starts with teaching them God's truths and training them all day long
> to see reality from His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need
> to shield them from contrary values until they know His Word and have
> memorized enough Scriptures to be able to recognize and resist deception.
> Once they have learned to love what God loves and see from His
> perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom by choosing to say
> "no" to Harry Potter.

Hmmm. This sounds like brainwashing--no matter what the source. You argue against the influences of multiculturalism (no doubt calling it secularism as a means of polarizing Christians and non-Christians) but cannot see that you are yourself guilty of what you oppose.

> 11. While some argue that Harry Potter and his friends demonstrate
> friendship, integrity and honesty, they actually model how to lie and
> steal and get away with it. Their examples only add to the cultural
> relativism embraced by most children today who are honest when it doesn't
> cost anything, but who lie and cheat when it serves their purpose.

Greed and Pride have been some of the seven deadly sins for a long time.

> 12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He
> gives them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and
> delight in His Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His
> constant care -- no matter what happens around us. Harry Potter's
> deceptive thrills are worse than worthless when compared to the wonderful
> riches our Shepherd promises those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.

How do we know the Bible isn't lying to us? Faith? There's faith in a creator or deity, but it is nameless. Only through religion and texts do we give the complex a simplified interpretation.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Saturday, November 30, 2002 (11:00 p.m.) 

I am not going to bother rebuking each individual convoluted thought which you have exposed, revealing to everyone your uncontested idiocy. I refuse to do this simply because it would take too long and I, unlike you, have a life.

So instead, I shall simply remark that the problems in this world come from frustrated fundamentalists such as yourself who become so desperate when noone listens to their ridiculous 'truths' that they blow themselves up. Save us all and do it where you won't blow someone else up with you.

I hope that someday people like you will realize that the answers to the world's problems lie not in fixing everyone else, but in fixing eachother.

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Yeah, but the score kicks ass!   Sunday, December 8, 2002 (8:35 p.m.) 

Filmtracks retains the right to DELETE
any discussion that is not related
to the SOUNDTRACK (and we will!)

That's funny.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Sunday, March 2, 2003 (4:54 p.m.) 

i am a strong Christian. I believe Harry Potter and this witchcraft stuff is just make-believe...it's not true, it's just for fun. seriously, don't take it so personally...:b:)

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Some Confusions Here   Wednesday, March 12, 2003 (10:46 a.m.) 

Everybody thinks differently, of course. In my lowly human opionion, I think the problem is that people always think everything SO SERIOUSLY. Harry Potter is a movie, a children's book that relieves people from their every day stress from work and troubles, just like Bible and prayers when we turn to God. Of course it is nothing comparable with Bible and prayers (at least in some people's opinions), but it does relieve some people's stresses in an informal way.

Eversince the first Harry Potter book came out, have you seen children making witch crafts and potions because of the book, and later, the movies (Harry Potter has been around for a long time, you know)?

If you serve God so obdiently, why did you EVEN attempt to watch such a "corruptive" movie yourself? If you want to live exactly as Apostle Paul and other His loyal follower in the beginning of Christianity, why did you still sit here and looking at the corruptive internet discussions and other informations that, not only they are corrupting your soul and spirit (very strictly saying, you know), they also mislead you from following God in exact step?

We are all human, we are all sinful (that is, no one is perfect except for God Himself), and God will eventually complete us in his work. Therefore, we human, could only express God's expression in this corruptive world. It is God Himself, not anyone of us, to reveal the truth, the right, and the wrongs to the world.



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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Sunday, April 6, 2003 (4:55 p.m.) 

> 1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are
> evil. He hates those practices because they blind us to His loving ways,
> then turn our hearts to a deceptive quest for self-empowerment and deadly
> thrills. Harry Potter's world may be fictional, but the timeless pagan
> practices it promotes are real and deadly. Well aware that the final
> result is spiritual bondage and oppression, He warns us:

> "There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices
> witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
> or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls
> up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the
> Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12

> 2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its
> power to change beliefs and values. Imaginary (or virtual) experiences and
> well-written fantasies can affect the mind and memories as much, if not
> more, than actual experiences.[3] Designed to stir feelings and produce
> strong emotional responses, a well-planned myth with likeable characters
> can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily reality --
> especially when reinforced through books, toys and games as well as
> movies. Small wonder Harry's fans have been counting the days until their
> next fantastic journey into Hogwarts' classes on sorcery, divination,
> potions and spells.

> "But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the
> counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward,
> and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24

> 3. Each occult image and enticing suggestion prompts the audience to feel
> more at home in the dark, paranormal setting. Children identify with their
> favorite characters and learn to see wizards and witches from a popular
> peer perspective rather than from God's perspective. Those who sense that
> the occult world is evil face a choice: Resist peer pressure or
> rationalize their imagined participation in Harry's supernatural
> adventures.

> The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and
> justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift the child's perception
> of values from God's perspective to a more "comfortable"
> cultural adaptation. Even Christian children can easily learn to conform
> truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values upside down - just as
> did God's people in Old Testament days:

> "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness
> for light, and light for darkness....
Woe to those who are wise in
> their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21

> Harry Potter Special [Magazine] interviews actors Daniel Radcliffe
> (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron), Tom Felton (Draco), Harry Melling (Dudley):

> If you could cast a spell on someone, what would it be?

> Daniel: "If I liked them, it would be a spell where I'd give them
> special power, like invisibility.

> Your favorite word in the Harry Potter books?

> Daniel: "I like the word--it's very bad to say this--but I like the
> word Voldemort."

> What magical power would you like to have?

> Rupert: "I'd like to levitate."

> Do you prefer to play a bad or good character?

> Tom: "Bad. It's more fun because it is different.

> What magical power would you want to have?

> Tom: "Invisibility. So I could sneak around and go places I
> shouldn't."

> Did you find it hard torturing Harry?

> Harry M: "No. I found it quite fun, actually."[4]

> Harry Potter Special: Inside the Magical Magazine (Primedia, Inc.), pages
> 24, 26.

> David Rockefeller ( "search" for "Rockefeller" on this
> site), Vice-President, Financial Operations.

> 4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what
> is good." (Romans 12:9) But when Christian children and teens love
> the Harry Potter myths, delight in the movie and read the books again and
> again, they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning
> God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is
> evil. The natural next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and
> "abhor" what He calls good.

> "You love evil more than good...." Psalm 52:3

> 5. Immersed in the values taught at Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and
> Wizardry, children become spiritually blind. They lose their natural
> aversion for the devious spirits represented by the creatures and symbols
> in this eerie world. Caught up in the exciting story, they absorb the
> suggested values and store the fascinating images in their minds -- making
> the forbidden world of the occult seem more normal than the Kingdom of
> God.

> Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
> according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of
> the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9

> 6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and
> impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. After all, who will stop,
> think and weigh the evidence when caught up in such a fast-moving visual
> adventure? Fun fantasies and strategic entertainment has a special way of
> altering values, compromising beliefs and changing behavior in adults as
> well as in children. This learning process has been named
> "edutainment" -- a favored way to train multicultural citizens
> for the envisioned 21st century community. Its power to influence beliefs
> and behavior is illustrated by today's marketing firms which spend
> billions on entertaining ads that touch emotions, ignore the facts, yet
> motivate people to buy the product.

> "Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, and revive me in
> Your way." Psalm 119:37

> 7. The main product marketed through this movie is a belief system that
> clashes with everything God offers us for our peace and security. This
> pagan ideology comes complete with trading cards, computer and other
> wizardly games, clothes and decorations stamped with HP symbols, action
> figures and cuddly dolls and audio cassettes that could keep the child's
> minds focused on the occult all day and into night. But in God's eyes,
> such paraphernalia become little more than lures and doorways to deeper
> involvement with the occult. In contrast, He calls a person
> "blessed" who -

> "walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,

> nor stands in the path of sinners,

> nor sits in the seat of the scornful [mockers];

> "But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he
> meditates day and night. Whatever he does shall prosper." Psalm 1:1-3

> It might be hard to escape the symbols that remind people of Harry. His
> words and phrases help fuel today's cultural transformation:

> The mainstream media uses the word "muggles" to deride those who
> don't want children to read Harry Potter books.

> "A columnist from the Chicago Daily Herald used Harry-Speak.... He
> said that a particular NBC Olympics commentator was the 'dementor of the
> sports commentators.'"

> "Coeur d'Alene, Idaho is going to name this year's snowstorms after
> the Harry Potter characters. The first blizzard of the year will be called
> Albus...."[4]

> 8. The implied source of power behind Harry's magical feats tend to
> distort a child's understanding of God. In the movie as in the books,
> words traditionally used to refer to occult practices become so familiar
> that children begin to apply the same terms to God and His promised
> strength. Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated
> with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as
> just another form of magic. They base their understanding of God on their
> own feelings and wants, not on His revelation of Himself.

> "You thought that I was altogether like you; but I will rebuke
> you...." Psalm 50:21

> 9. Blind to the true nature of God, children will synthesize or blend
> Biblical truth with the pagan beliefs and magical practices demonstrated
> in the Harry Potter movie. In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant
> of true Christian faith. For our God cannot be molded to match pagan gods.

> “For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the
> fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken
> cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:1

> 10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go."
> It starts with teaching them God's truths and training them all day long
> to see reality from His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need
> to shield them from contrary values until they know His Word and have
> memorized enough Scriptures to be able to recognize and resist deception.
> Once they have learned to love what God loves and see from His
> perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom by choosing to say
> "no" to Harry Potter.

> “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You
> shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when
> you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and
> when you rise up." Deuteronomy 6:6-7

> 11. While some argue that Harry Potter and his friends demonstrate
> friendship, integrity and honesty, they actually model how to lie and
> steal and get away with it. Their examples only add to the cultural
> relativism embraced by most children today who are honest when it doesn't
> cost anything, but who lie and cheat when it serves their purpose.

> "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God
> gave them over to a debased [depraved] mind, to do those things which are
> not fitting.... They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent,
> proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
> undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who,
> knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things
> are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who
> practice them." Romans 1:28-32

> 12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He
> gives them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and
> delight in His Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His
> constant care -- no matter what happens around us. Harry Potter's
> deceptive thrills are worse than worthless when compared to the wonderful
> riches our Shepherd promises those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.

> "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and
> supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
> and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your
> hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

> Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble,
> whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are
> lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if
> there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Philippians
> 4:6-8

>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What exactly does this have to do with the music of Harry Potter. And now that i have said that i will say my mind. I am a huge Harry Potter fan, and i am also a firm believer in God. I disagree when you say that they show how to lie and steal and get away with it. They don't get away with it. They get detention in the first book. And the only reason they get off is because they save the lives of their classmates while breaking the rules. What is the difference between Harry Potter and those in the military? In the military people kill others in order to accomplish what their government wants. Harry Potter breaks the rules to save the lives of his friend. Or what is the difference between Harry's use of Magic and Santa Clause's use of magic? Santa uses magic for his reindeer to fly. There is no way you can convince me that Santa and Harry are different. Harry uses magic and Santa uses magic. But Santa is embraced by the christian belief system. He gives gifts to little children but he uses magic. So should parents stop telling their children that Santa exist because he uses magic. No they should not. Santa hasn't made a huge impact on children and convinced them to try to use magic in the hundreds of years that the Santa Clause myth has existed. So why will Harry Potter? I don't see you getting on the back of The Lord of The Rings fans because of Magic. I don't see anyone hating Lloyd Alexander because of his Prydain chronicles which involve magic. When infact you probably love the lord of the rings. You cannot do that. If you are going to write stuff like this about Harry Potter, then i demand that you do the same to The Lord Of The Rings. And do you really think that God hates Harry Potter. Do you really think that he minds us reading about a bunch of teenagers that save the world using wizardry? I don't think he minds. He could be sitting in heaven and reading them himself. You don't know. Until J.K. Rowling starts writing about the characters using their powers to kill innocent people and start using extremely inappropriate language, should we worry. They are not bad influences. I havent seen any local kids playing "Lets curse everyone like Harry Potter" lately and i havent even seen people playing Harry Potter in the context which it is meant. Its fine. When the characters start killing people then worry. So far this just another classic work of fiction. I recently read Beowulf and i liked it. But Beowulf is a cocky hero. However this is considered to be a great story the first epic. Harry isn't a cocky hero he just uses magic, so people are all over him. Beowulf takes place when the pagan ways of King Hrothgar and his people is completely evident. but no one cares about what that might do to someone. Everyone cares about how Harry Potter is a bad influence. But think about this. in all of the books. They celebrate Christmas a christian holiday. If they introduce such pagan customs then why are they celebrating christmas? If anything its Jewish people and the muslims and such who should be angry because their holidays are not even mentioned. But back to my point. This is a page about film scores not the book itself. So if you have something you'd like to say about the score say it and don't go into a huge deal about how you think its against God.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Saturday, July 19, 2003 (3:09 p.m.) 

i love harry potter and i love god i have been in church my wholoe life harry potterdosen't tell kids to go out and worship the devil curse every one then go and kill your neighbor and if your gonna get so mad about hary potter then you have to look at magic in others books shows nd movies to like the wizard of oz it had magic in it but you don't see every one getting mad about it.even things like scooby doo it has ghosts and goblins and whatnot so why attack harry potter and not attack all the other magic out there the books are really about a boy who has no parents and finds out things all throught his life that will lead to his happieness.whats so wrong about that they are good books much better and less violent that lord of the rigns crap and they are much better written:b

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Wednesday, January 14, 2004 (9:02 a.m.) 

I am a christian but i see nothing wrong with Harry Potter. Its just good reading, just like lord of the rings they have magic and its considered good reading. So quit pickin on Potter

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Monday, April 28, 2003 (7:44 p.m.) 

> 1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are
> evil. He hates those practices because they blind us to His loving ways,
> then turn our hearts to a deceptive quest for self-empowerment and deadly
> thrills. Harry Potter's world may be fictional, but the timeless pagan
> practices it promotes are real and deadly. Well aware that the final
> result is spiritual bondage and oppression, He warns us:

Speaking as one who had the extreme misfortune to get involved in witchcraft, I want to say that the paragraph above is EXACTLY RIGHT ON. I started out probably looking for power (being an intellectual type, sometimes bullied, and not very physical) but it turned into a nightmare beyond description. The devil is perfectly willing to give you occult power if you seek it- but he hates you just as much as anybody else and will destroy you when it suits him.

If you are in any way involved with Harry Potter stuff, RUN FOR YOUR VERY LIFE! Getting involved with the occult is ghastly beyond belief (though it doesn't seem so at first). The sooner you get out, the easier it will be. And I also say this to the young people who I see are writing in here with questions: Harry Potter may not seem evil, but it is evil beyond description. ALL SORCERY, NO MATTER HOW INTENDED, IS ACTUATED BY THE DEVIL AND HIS DEMONS! And the devil is VERY, VERY, VERY CLEVER at fooling you and sucking you in.

When you are young, you often feel powerless so sorcery and witchcraft have an attraction, just like they did for me. BUT YOU WILL HATE IT BEYOND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS IN THE LONG RUN.

If you care about yourself, do yourself the biggest favor of your life and stay far, far away from Harry Potter or anything in the occult. If you have been involved in the occult, you will almost certainly need the help of God and His Son Jesus to get free. God's power is greater than Satan's and he longs to rescue you.

I've been there, folks, and I wouldn't want anybody else to go.

In Jesus Name,
Dan H.



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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Friday, June 6, 2003 (7:54 p.m.) 

> Speaking as one who had the extreme misfortune to get involved in
> witchcraft, I want to say that the paragraph above is EXACTLY RIGHT ON. I
> started out probably looking for power (being an intellectual type,
> sometimes bullied, and not very physical) but it turned into a nightmare
> beyond description. The devil is perfectly willing to give you occult
> power if you seek it- but he hates you just as much as anybody else and
> will destroy you when it suits him.

> If you are in any way involved with Harry Potter stuff, RUN FOR YOUR VERY
> LIFE! Getting involved with the occult is ghastly beyond belief (though it
> doesn't seem so at first). The sooner you get out, the easier it will be.
> And I also say this to the young people who I see are writing in here with
> questions: Harry Potter may not seem evil, but it is evil beyond
> description. ALL SORCERY, NO MATTER HOW INTENDED, IS ACTUATED BY THE DEVIL
> AND HIS DEMONS! And the devil is VERY, VERY, VERY CLEVER at fooling you
> and sucking you in.

> When you are young, you often feel powerless so sorcery and witchcraft
> have an attraction, just like they did for me. BUT YOU WILL HATE IT BEYOND
> YOUR WILDEST DREAMS IN THE LONG RUN.

> If you care about yourself, do yourself the biggest favor of your life and
> stay far, far away from Harry Potter or anything in the occult. If you
> have been involved in the occult, you will almost certainly need the help
> of God and His Son Jesus to get free. God's power is greater than Satan's
> and he longs to rescue you.

> I've been there, folks, and I wouldn't want anybody else to go.

> In Jesus Name,
Dan H.

Next time Dan, break the Advil in half! Okay?


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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Wednesday, September 24, 2003 (8:19 a.m.) 

> 1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are
> evil. He hates those practices because they blind us to His loving ways,
> then turn our hearts to a deceptive quest for self-empowerment and deadly
> thrills. Harry Potter's world may be fictional, but the timeless pagan
> practices it promotes are real and deadly. Well aware that the final
> result is spiritual bondage and oppression, He warns us:

> "There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices
> witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
> or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls
> up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the
> Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12

> 2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its
> power to change beliefs and values. Imaginary (or virtual) experiences and
> well-written fantasies can affect the mind and memories as much, if not
> more, than actual experiences.[3] Designed to stir feelings and produce
> strong emotional responses, a well-planned myth with likeable characters
> can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily reality --
> especially when reinforced through books, toys and games as well as
> movies. Small wonder Harry's fans have been counting the days until their
> next fantastic journey into Hogwarts' classes on sorcery, divination,
> potions and spells.

> "But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the
> counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward,
> and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24

> 3. Each occult image and enticing suggestion prompts the audience to feel
> more at home in the dark, paranormal setting. Children identify with their
> favorite characters and learn to see wizards and witches from a popular
> peer perspective rather than from God's perspective. Those who sense that
> the occult world is evil face a choice: Resist peer pressure or
> rationalize their imagined participation in Harry's supernatural
> adventures.

> The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and
> justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift the child's perception
> of values from God's perspective to a more "comfortable"
> cultural adaptation. Even Christian children can easily learn to conform
> truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values upside down - just as
> did God's people in Old Testament days:

> "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness
> for light, and light for darkness....
Woe to those who are wise in
> their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21

> Harry Potter Special [Magazine] interviews actors Daniel Radcliffe
> (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron), Tom Felton (Draco), Harry Melling (Dudley):

> If you could cast a spell on someone, what would it be?

> Daniel: "If I liked them, it would be a spell where I'd give them
> special power, like invisibility.

> Your favorite word in the Harry Potter books?

> Daniel: "I like the word--it's very bad to say this--but I like the
> word Voldemort."

> What magical power would you like to have?

> Rupert: "I'd like to levitate."

> Do you prefer to play a bad or good character?

> Tom: "Bad. It's more fun because it is different.

> What magical power would you want to have?

> Tom: "Invisibility. So I could sneak around and go places I
> shouldn't."

> Did you find it hard torturing Harry?

> Harry M: "No. I found it quite fun, actually."[4]

> Harry Potter Special: Inside the Magical Magazine (Primedia, Inc.), pages
> 24, 26.

> David Rockefeller ( "search" for "Rockefeller" on this
> site), Vice-President, Financial Operations.

> 4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what
> is good." (Romans 12:9) But when Christian children and teens love
> the Harry Potter myths, delight in the movie and read the books again and
> again, they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning
> God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is
> evil. The natural next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and
> "abhor" what He calls good.

> "You love evil more than good...." Psalm 52:3

> 5. Immersed in the values taught at Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and
> Wizardry, children become spiritually blind. They lose their natural
> aversion for the devious spirits represented by the creatures and symbols
> in this eerie world. Caught up in the exciting story, they absorb the
> suggested values and store the fascinating images in their minds -- making
> the forbidden world of the occult seem more normal than the Kingdom of
> God.

> Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
> according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of
> the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9

> 6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and
> impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. After all, who will stop,
> think and weigh the evidence when caught up in such a fast-moving visual
> adventure? Fun fantasies and strategic entertainment has a special way of
> altering values, compromising beliefs and changing behavior in adults as
> well as in children. This learning process has been named
> "edutainment" -- a favored way to train multicultural citizens
> for the envisioned 21st century community. Its power to influence beliefs
> and behavior is illustrated by today's marketing firms which spend
> billions on entertaining ads that touch emotions, ignore the facts, yet
> motivate people to buy the product.

> "Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, and revive me in
> Your way." Psalm 119:37

> 7. The main product marketed through this movie is a belief system that
> clashes with everything God offers us for our peace and security. This
> pagan ideology comes complete with trading cards, computer and other
> wizardly games, clothes and decorations stamped with HP symbols, action
> figures and cuddly dolls and audio cassettes that could keep the child's
> minds focused on the occult all day and into night. But in God's eyes,
> such paraphernalia become little more than lures and doorways to deeper
> involvement with the occult. In contrast, He calls a person
> "blessed" who -

> "walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,

> nor stands in the path of sinners,

> nor sits in the seat of the scornful [mockers];

> "But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he
> meditates day and night. Whatever he does shall prosper." Psalm 1:1-3

> It might be hard to escape the symbols that remind people of Harry. His
> words and phrases help fuel today's cultural transformation:

> The mainstream media uses the word "muggles" to deride those who
> don't want children to read Harry Potter books.

> "A columnist from the Chicago Daily Herald used Harry-Speak.... He
> said that a particular NBC Olympics commentator was the 'dementor of the
> sports commentators.'"

> "Coeur d'Alene, Idaho is going to name this year's snowstorms after
> the Harry Potter characters. The first blizzard of the year will be called
> Albus...."[4]

> 8. The implied source of power behind Harry's magical feats tend to
> distort a child's understanding of God. In the movie as in the books,
> words traditionally used to refer to occult practices become so familiar
> that children begin to apply the same terms to God and His promised
> strength. Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated
> with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as
> just another form of magic. They base their understanding of God on their
> own feelings and wants, not on His revelation of Himself.

> "You thought that I was altogether like you; but I will rebuke
> you...." Psalm 50:21

> 9. Blind to the true nature of God, children will synthesize or blend
> Biblical truth with the pagan beliefs and magical practices demonstrated
> in the Harry Potter movie. In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant
> of true Christian faith. For our God cannot be molded to match pagan gods.

> “For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the
> fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken
> cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:1

> 10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go."
> It starts with teaching them God's truths and training them all day long
> to see reality from His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need
> to shield them from contrary values until they know His Word and have
> memorized enough Scriptures to be able to recognize and resist deception.
> Once they have learned to love what God loves and see from His
> perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom by choosing to say
> "no" to Harry Potter.

> “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You
> shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when
> you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and
> when you rise up." Deuteronomy 6:6-7

> 11. While some argue that Harry Potter and his friends demonstrate
> friendship, integrity and honesty, they actually model how to lie and
> steal and get away with it. Their examples only add to the cultural
> relativism embraced by most children today who are honest when it doesn't
> cost anything, but who lie and cheat when it serves their purpose.

> "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God
> gave them over to a debased [depraved] mind, to do those things which are
> not fitting.... They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent,
> proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
> undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who,
> knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things
> are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who
> practice them." Romans 1:28-32

> 12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He
> gives them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and
> delight in His Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His
> constant care -- no matter what happens around us. Harry Potter's
> deceptive thrills are worse than worthless when compared to the wonderful
> riches our Shepherd promises those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.

> "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and
> supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
> and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your
> hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

> Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble,
> whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are
> lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if
> there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Philippians
> 4:6-8

>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That was very hypocritcal, as is a lot of the Bible. God tells us if you believe in Him you will have everlasting life, then he turns around and says that if you practice witchcraft, etc..you go to Hell? I think not. I'm a Baptist Baptized Christian, so I believe in God. However, I do NOT think Pagan's or Wiccan's go to Hell. Nor do I think Gay people do. God obviously made them that way. Why would he make them that way just to kill them? A lot of thinks in the Bible contradict eachother, but I KNOW God doesn't hate anyone or anything..so be more selective with your words next time.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Wednesday, December 3, 2003 (9:24 a.m.) 

You are an idiot and should stop talking, writing, or otherwise making contact with the outside world. You are an hyper-religious dumbass censorship monkey, and it sickens me to think that I am of the same species as you. Please do everyone a favor and fling yourself screaming from a bridge.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Thursday, December 18, 2003 (7:06 p.m.) 

look at that... do i look like a very religious person to you??? were not all religious dumbasses like you. i dont know about anybody else but i dont live my life by the works of god and jesus. so first of all, go urself. second of all, ur a selfcentered asshole who doenst get the point of harry potter at all.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Saturday, December 20, 2003 (12:05 a.m.) 

> 1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are
> evil. He hates those practices because they blind us to His loving ways,
> then turn our hearts to a deceptive quest for self-empowerment and deadly
> thrills. Harry Potter's world may be fictional, but the timeless pagan
> practices it promotes are real and deadly. Well aware that the final
> result is spiritual bondage and oppression, He warns us:

> "There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices
> witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
> or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls
> up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the
> Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12

> 2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its
> power to change beliefs and values. Imaginary (or virtual) experiences and
> well-written fantasies can affect the mind and memories as much, if not
> more, than actual experiences.[3] Designed to stir feelings and produce
> strong emotional responses, a well-planned myth with likeable characters
> can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily reality --
> especially when reinforced through books, toys and games as well as
> movies. Small wonder Harry's fans have been counting the days until their
> next fantastic journey into Hogwarts' classes on sorcery, divination,
> potions and spells.

> "But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the
> counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward,
> and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24

> 3. Each occult image and enticing suggestion prompts the audience to feel
> more at home in the dark, paranormal setting. Children identify with their
> favorite characters and learn to see wizards and witches from a popular
> peer perspective rather than from God's perspective. Those who sense that
> the occult world is evil face a choice: Resist peer pressure or
> rationalize their imagined participation in Harry's supernatural
> adventures.

> The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and
> justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift the child's perception
> of values from God's perspective to a more "comfortable"
> cultural adaptation. Even Christian children can easily learn to conform
> truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values upside down - just as
> did God's people in Old Testament days:

> "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness
> for light, and light for darkness....
Woe to those who are wise in
> their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21

> Harry Potter Special [Magazine] interviews actors Daniel Radcliffe
> (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron), Tom Felton (Draco), Harry Melling (Dudley):

> If you could cast a spell on someone, what would it be?

> Daniel: "If I liked them, it would be a spell where I'd give them
> special power, like invisibility.

> Your favorite word in the Harry Potter books?

> Daniel: "I like the word--it's very bad to say this--but I like the
> word Voldemort."

> What magical power would you like to have?

> Rupert: "I'd like to levitate."

> Do you prefer to play a bad or good character?

> Tom: "Bad. It's more fun because it is different.

> What magical power would you want to have?

> Tom: "Invisibility. So I could sneak around and go places I
> shouldn't."

> Did you find it hard torturing Harry?

> Harry M: "No. I found it quite fun, actually."[4]

> Harry Potter Special: Inside the Magical Magazine (Primedia, Inc.), pages
> 24, 26.

> David Rockefeller ( "search" for "Rockefeller" on this
> site), Vice-President, Financial Operations.

> 4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what
> is good." (Romans 12:9) But when Christian children and teens love
> the Harry Potter myths, delight in the movie and read the books again and
> again, they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning
> God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is
> evil. The natural next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and
> "abhor" what He calls good.

> "You love evil more than good...." Psalm 52:3

> 5. Immersed in the values taught at Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and
> Wizardry, children become spiritually blind. They lose their natural
> aversion for the devious spirits represented by the creatures and symbols
> in this eerie world. Caught up in the exciting story, they absorb the
> suggested values and store the fascinating images in their minds -- making
> the forbidden world of the occult seem more normal than the Kingdom of
> God.

> Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
> according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of
> the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9

> 6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and
> impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. After all, who will stop,
> think and weigh the evidence when caught up in such a fast-moving visual
> adventure? Fun fantasies and strategic entertainment has a special way of
> altering values, compromising beliefs and changing behavior in adults as
> well as in children. This learning process has been named
> "edutainment" -- a favored way to train multicultural citizens
> for the envisioned 21st century community. Its power to influence beliefs
> and behavior is illustrated by today's marketing firms which spend
> billions on entertaining ads that touch emotions, ignore the facts, yet
> motivate people to buy the product.

> "Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, and revive me in
> Your way." Psalm 119:37

> 7. The main product marketed through this movie is a belief system that
> clashes with everything God offers us for our peace and security. This
> pagan ideology comes complete with trading cards, computer and other
> wizardly games, clothes and decorations stamped with HP symbols, action
> figures and cuddly dolls and audio cassettes that could keep the child's
> minds focused on the occult all day and into night. But in God's eyes,
> such paraphernalia become little more than lures and doorways to deeper
> involvement with the occult. In contrast, He calls a person
> "blessed" who -

> "walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,

> nor stands in the path of sinners,

> nor sits in the seat of the scornful [mockers];

> "But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he
> meditates day and night. Whatever he does shall prosper." Psalm 1:1-3

> It might be hard to escape the symbols that remind people of Harry. His
> words and phrases help fuel today's cultural transformation:

> The mainstream media uses the word "muggles" to deride those who
> don't want children to read Harry Potter books.

> "A columnist from the Chicago Daily Herald used Harry-Speak.... He
> said that a particular NBC Olympics commentator was the 'dementor of the
> sports commentators.'"

> "Coeur d'Alene, Idaho is going to name this year's snowstorms after
> the Harry Potter characters. The first blizzard of the year will be called
> Albus...."[4]

> 8. The implied source of power behind Harry's magical feats tend to
> distort a child's understanding of God. In the movie as in the books,
> words traditionally used to refer to occult practices become so familiar
> that children begin to apply the same terms to God and His promised
> strength. Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated
> with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as
> just another form of magic. They base their understanding of God on their
> own feelings and wants, not on His revelation of Himself.

> "You thought that I was altogether like you; but I will rebuke
> you...." Psalm 50:21

> 9. Blind to the true nature of God, children will synthesize or blend
> Biblical truth with the pagan beliefs and magical practices demonstrated
> in the Harry Potter movie. In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant
> of true Christian faith. For our God cannot be molded to match pagan gods.

> “For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the
> fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken
> cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:1

> 10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go."
> It starts with teaching them God's truths and training them all day long
> to see reality from His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need
> to shield them from contrary values until they know His Word and have
> memorized enough Scriptures to be able to recognize and resist deception.
> Once they have learned to love what God loves and see from His
> perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom by choosing to say
> "no" to Harry Potter.

> “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You
> shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when
> you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and
> when you rise up." Deuteronomy 6:6-7

> 11. While some argue that Harry Potter and his friends demonstrate
> friendship, integrity and honesty, they actually model how to lie and
> steal and get away with it. Their examples only add to the cultural
> relativism embraced by most children today who are honest when it doesn't
> cost anything, but who lie and cheat when it serves their purpose.

> "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God
> gave them over to a debased [depraved] mind, to do those things which are
> not fitting.... They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent,
> proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
> undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who,
> knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things
> are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who
> practice them." Romans 1:28-32

> 12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He
> gives them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and
> delight in His Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His
> constant care -- no matter what happens around us. Harry Potter's
> deceptive thrills are worse than worthless when compared to the wonderful
> riches our Shepherd promises those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.

> "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and
> supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
> and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your
> hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

> Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble,
> whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are
> lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if
> there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Philippians
> 4:6-8

>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Who ever you are? Have you read the book that is my fist question, two THEIR JUST BOOKS THAT ARE GREAT AND THEY EXPLOR CHILDRENS IMAGINATIONS. FOR YOUR INORMATION MORE KIDS STARTED TO READ ONCE THEY READ HARRY POTTER. SO THAT ALL FOR NOW LEAVE THE BIBLE AT HOME AND JUST HAVE FUN AND READ LET YOUR IMAGINATION RUN FREE:)



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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Saturday, February 12, 2005 (1:43 p.m.) 

Why are a lot of people so horribly against Harry Potter? It's the best series ever written, honestly. As well, it's not like it's the only thing ever written about wizardry and such, so why bash it? It DOES NOT instill fear or the belief that humans are bad and Christinaity is wrong. It is just an extremely well written series and quite comic as well. Just stop being so overly paranoid and leave the books to those who enjoy them. I mean, it's not like we all walk around chanting "Potter ... wizaaaaardryyyy ... kill ... pillage ... black magic!"

In conclusion, to me, it would make more sense if you bashed a book that wasn't so incredibly perfect.

Power to the wizards!

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Take your religious nonsense elsewhere, you brainwashed dolt!   Saturday, September 17, 2005 (8:37 a.m.) 

Like Governor Jesse the Body Ventura said:

"Religion is a crutch for the weak-minded."



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Re: Take your religious nonsense elsewhere, you brainwashed dolt!   Friday, March 17, 2006 (4:51 p.m.) 

I agree with you entirely.

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Friday, March 17, 2006 (4:41 p.m.) 

There is something you have failed to realise, my good sir. Harry Potter was created for the entertainment and amusement of those who read it. It is not some random pagan tool of satan desinged to bewuitch the minds of our youth and make them listen to J.K. Rowling, who, according to you, seems to be some evil agent of the devil. I have read the books about thre times each and they have not dented my christian values, nor have I believed for a moment that any of the stories are remotely with basis in fact. If your claims were correct, star wars would have made everyone believe in the ways of the force. Except for my younger brother, there are no people who do so. Your ed up is completely without basis in fact and there is no evidence to support it. I have come to possible conclusions:

1. You are some immature idiot who was looking for a laugh. If you were, take no notice of anything above because I also found it amusing.

2. You just don't like Harry Potter and are trying to come up with some to attack it with. If you were, do take notice of everything written above because it is relevant to a pathetic git like yourself.

3. You are someone who is an overly excessive religious believer who was offended by Harry Potter. If you were, do take notice of the stuff above and learn to balance your religious views with practicality and tolernace of the world, as I have done.

4. You are a raving idiot.

Essentially, your claims have no factual support and you are making up ed up junk. I am a christian and I am not in the least bit offended by Harry Potter. I enjoy the story and it does not interfere with my belief in god. Get a life. Thank you very much!

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Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Friday, March 17, 2006 (4:47 p.m.) 

I'd just like to say, you many times, you ! Harry Potter is a story! It is not the teaching of satan! It was not meant to cause anarchy and chaos within the christian world! It was not meant to rally children to bring down the catholic church or whatever you believe in! Please get a life or I will really have to hurt you and your ! thank you! now please go to the nearest public dunny and drown yourself in ! Thank you mr gitty!

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12 reasons why 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter suck.   Saturday, April 15, 2006 (4:15 p.m.) 

I have taken the time to write a response to each of yor 12 ed up s. Here they are for your ed up enjoyment, you . (Also, ensure you read what comes after the reasons)

1. There is no scientific proof that these timeless pagan practices of satan are real or deadly. Harry Potter does not promote them either; it is simply a story in a world where they happen to exist. Also, the HP story does not say anything about Pagan or Satanic ideals. So there you .

2. HP does not have any power to change your beliefs and values at all. I hae watched all the movies currently released more than 5 times each and I don't walk around saying "Avada Kedavra" to my enemies (though if it were real, I would almost certainly use it on you). The only people who may believe in magic are little kids who always grow out of it. Anyone else who believes in it is a spastic git.

3. HP does not make people feel at home in the dark paranormal setting. Few people would view Harry, Ron and Hermione from Gods perspective, nor do I believe god gives a damn.

4. HP is not evil, nor does anyone who reads it (except for s like you) believe that this is the case. I do not love the "evil" of the books.

5. People do not have a natural aversion for magic and . There is no "forbidden" HP world and no-one is trying to support; it is merely a setting for a story desgined to entertain. It does not seem normal to anyone who reads the HP story except spastics.

6. The HP story is not desgined to, and has no ability to, prepare or change people for a satanic world. I have subjected HP to rational scrutiny and it comes up as a fictional, entertaining, story that does not influence my day-to-day activities.

7.HP does not motivate me to fight against God, who I believe in and worship. Few children are driven to devote all their minds' to this non-existent "occult".

8. HP does not distort, or attempt to distort, childrens' views on God (my scripture lessons in year one actually did this; in all honsety, they led me to believe God was an emu. For more information, feel free to email "noodlenahers@hotmail.com"). I would alos like to see any other explanation of God's miracles that does not involve magic, or something that is very close to it.

9. This is just complete . There is no evidence whatsoever to support this. Nobody has turned God into the father of Albus Dumbedore, nor does anyone worship Hermione as the source of all widsom, or despise Voldemort as Satan.

10. God and mnany others will give you this advice, including myself. However, not everything a child is exposed to will shape his future. You are also depicting HP as some dark force designed to bring down christianity. This is smiply not the case. Wisdom would label HP as just a harmless story. Your sort of wisdoms is complete bull!-!.

11. Have you even read the books?!? Harry, Ron and Hermone do represent friendship and . Very few children and teens never break the rules. It just doesn't happpen. I have lied and I will bet anything that you have done the same. They are not a bunch if crims attempting to show children how to undermine peace and order.

12. OK mate, you really suck! You have no understanding of how the real world operates. It is quite possible to follow God and read HP. Harry's "thrills" are not thirlling at all, by the way. They are actually quite dangerous asnd scary. I can assure you I would not have wanted to face Vodemort, Basiliks and Dementors. I doubt you have even read the book, If so, don't try and pay out things you know nothing about.

I have also realised that you have not provided any justifiable proof that any of these reasons are fact. I on the other hand, have read the books and know many people who have and none of us have succumbed to the evil you say we will. The only proof you have provided is the bible, which contains many disputed claims that do not match up to modern science or any common sense or reason. Indeed, the only way to explain them is magic, which you have claimed is evil.

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trial lawyer
Re: 12 reasons to avoid Harry Potter   Wednesday, April 19, 2006 (4:07 a.m.) 

Exactly what does "trial lwayer" mean?!? You seem to be a priest, not a lawyer. My only conclusion is that you want to make yourself look smart and qualified and , but, you can take it from me, it didn't work. Now if you wouldn't mind, please go and get yourself ed by a bunch of angry buffalo armed with cheese-topped machetes, thank you so much.

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