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Great Album Stupid Reviewer   Saturday, August 13, 2011 (10:56 a.m.) 

The album is awesome! Contemporary - Kick Ass! I am a fan of Basil Poledouris, but his score is SO dated... If you cannot handle where film scores are going then stop writing reviews...


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Re: Great Album Stupid Reviewer   Saturday, August 13, 2011 (12:25 p.m.) 

> The album is awesome! Contemporary - Kick Ass! I am a fan of Basil
> Poledouris, but his score is SO dated... If you cannot handle where film
> scores are going then stop writing reviews...

That seems to be the growing trend here with Filmtracks...
The Remote Control hatred here is rampant, as are the other posters.

Remote Control scores and their ilk are the future. If you guys dont like it, then stop bitching and go make your own "orchestral only" website, if that floats your boat.

I bet you guys wont have much to discuss, though, since Zimmer-type scores
are taking over.

Deal with it.


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More uninformed fanboy insults? Really?   Saturday, August 13, 2011 (1:23 p.m.) 

> That seems to be the growing trend here with Filmtracks...
> The Remote Control hatred here is rampant, as are the other posters.

> Remote Control scores and their ilk are the future. If you guys dont like
> it, then stop bitching and go make your own "orchestral only"
> website, if that floats your boat.

> I bet you guys wont have much to discuss, though, since Zimmer-type scores
> are taking over.

> Deal with it.

The premise of your argument is not based on fact. Clemmensen has never contested the popularity or dominance of the Zimmer & Remote Control method. The music is wallpaper, though: functional and not meant to be fine art. That's why he has every right to give it low ratings. It's like Henry Mancini '60s music. All the rage at the time, but also wallpaper that didn't deserve great ratings.

You also forget that Clemmensen has given 5 stars to Zimmer, Badelt, Powell and G-Williams. His Zimmer rating average is higher than his Horner and Elfman averages. He has given five stars to electronic scores as far back as Hoosiers. He has nominated Vangelis for best of year multiple times. He even nominated Marty Stuart for Christ's sake!

I have met Bates and talked to him for a few minutes. Nice and casual young man. His style is not suitable for films that require complicated orchestration, though. It's not his fault that he will never attempt the difficult folk meters of a Poledouris type. From a musical construct point of view, Bates is a simpleton, a sound designer. He also, unfortunately, is a studio-recognized plagiarist.

Clemmensen is one of the most respected film music critics alive. Do some background checking before you throw around fanboy insults about his writing.



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Deal with it??   Sunday, August 14, 2011 (2:01 p.m.) 

> That seems to be the growing trend here with Filmtracks...
> The Remote Control hatred here is rampant, as are the other posters.

I agree that there is a certain amount of Remote Control ill-feeling here in Filmtracks, but in general the reviews treat it fairly. Strong scores like Thor and Priest that use Remote Control tactics are awarded four- and five-star ratings, as they deserve, while lazy phoned-in rehashes such as Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides and Transformers: Dark of the Moon are appropriately trashed. Not all Remote Control-styled scores are good - but many are.

> Remote Control scores and their ilk are the future. If you guys dont like
> it, then stop bitching and go make your own "orchestral only"
> website, if that floats your boat.

A sad and pale sort of future it will be where there is only one scoring style of any validity. Before the days of Remote Control, you could go to John Williams if you wanted bright, complex, brassy, heroic Americana; to Jerry Goldsmith if you wanted ballsy, percussive, gritty action music; to Basil Poledouris if you wanted massive, yet folk-inspired bombast; to Ennio Morricone if you wanted quirky melodrama; to Georges Delerue if you wanted sentimentality and a romantic sensibility...whereas these days, string ostinati and single low brass blasts seem to be the answer to everything, from dream-bending to mutants to giant alien robots to sword-and-sandals epics.

> I bet you guys wont have much to discuss, though, since Zimmer-type scores
> are taking over. Deal with it.

WHY? If every single movie that ever came out used the exact same plotline, would movie producers have the right to tell us to "deal with it"? If every single movie was required to use the exact same actors, would we be told to "deal with it"? Why should it be the same with music?

Look, I like Remote Control music a lot. It's easily accessible, enjoyable stuff and was my road into the film music world. I don't mind Remote Control scores in many cases and do agree that it's unfairly maligned at times. But do you really think every single score ought to use that style? You also seem to treat "orchestral" as though it was a single style - that is so far from the truth it's just outrageous.

Oh, and another thing: Tyler Bates is not Remote Control.

And one more: placing Poledouris on the same level, or below, Bates. If you enjoy Bates' music more, well, all the power to you - there's nothing anybody can do to stop you and you are perfectly entitled to that opinion, though about 99.8% of the film music community will disagree with you. However, Poledouris has written several scores which have been almost universally accepted as good to classic, the original Conan the Barbarian score most prominent among them. He has a total of 52 film credits plus various TV credits. Bates is an acknowledged plagiarist, I've never read a film music review of a score of his that gives more than three stars out of five and has a total of 25 film credits. Their careers are not comparable, as you have claimed multiple times.

Liking Bates' music is OK, but telling us to "deal with it" and implying that we're a bunch of snobs for wanting to hear more than one way to score a film makes you come across as a fanboyish asshole.

Thank you for wasting my time.


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Re: Deal with it??   Monday, August 15, 2011 (3:15 p.m.) 

Hell yes I said deal with it.
Based on all the Remote Control hatred from this site? Double deal with it.

Dont blame me, blame the times...and they are a changing. I never said i like it or dont like it, but based on all these reviews and elitist comments, might as well state it cuz it the truth, until things change yet again in favor for a more classical approach...



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You have   Monday, August 15, 2011 (4:27 p.m.) 

no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: You have   Monday, August 15, 2011 (6:44 p.m.) 

> no idea what you're talking about.

Typical elitist thing to say, but its OK. You're forgiven.

I dont care for Conan, or Basil Poledouris. The man not only did such great and awesome best picture noms such as: Under Seige 2, Starship Troopers, Lassie, On Deadly Ground, and Conan The Destroyer, but his entire CV is fairly nondescript (aside from Robocop and dare I say Quigley Down Under, but nto by much because that movie didnt become that memorable a film). His resume is utterly bereft of memorable motion pictures. The man DID rape Crocodile Dundee from Peter Best...that something that also got me to notice him, but that's another story.

Now he may have a cult following, as you might say Tyler Bates has a cult following, but by NO means are both of these composers great by popular opinion. Therefore, they are highly and utterly comparable based on the projects they undertake, if at all.

And I say IF AT ALL, because I understand these two are two completely different people who now have the horrifying distinction of having to have scored the same subject for a motion picture - Conan the Barbarian, which is
a droll and utterly pointless concept, at that, to compare a movie score for.

And of coruse, all of this PALES in light of the utter obvious that Mr. Poledouris is DEAD and Bates lives on to further his scoring career. NOW...What REALLY bemoans me, however, isn't the quality of either - but the sheer FACT that back in (your hero) Mr. Poledouris' day? He didn't have so many critics dogpiling his works in an open forum to cramp his style; as Bates now has, and easily so.



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Re: You have   Tuesday, August 16, 2011 (8:22 a.m.) 

> Typical elitist thing to say, but its OK. You're forgiven.

That sounds more like an elitist response. Taken your hypocrisy pills lately?

> I dont care for Conan, or Basil Poledouris. The man not only did such
> great and awesome best picture noms such as: Under Seige 2, Starship
> Troopers, Lassie, On Deadly Ground, and Conan The Destroyer, but his
> entire CV is fairly nondescript (aside from Robocop and dare I say Quigley
> Down Under, but nto by much because that movie didnt become that memorable
> a film). His resume is utterly bereft of memorable motion pictures. The
> man DID rape Crocodile Dundee from Peter Best...that something that also
> got me to notice him, but that's another story.

If you think that a composer's quality is based on the quality of the movies he gets, then there is no helping you.

> Now he may have a cult following, as you might say Tyler Bates has a cult
> following, but by NO means are both of these composers great by popular
> opinion. Therefore, they are highly and utterly comparable based on the
> projects they undertake, if at all.

Other than Hans Zimmer and a handful of James Horner and John Williams scores/themes, I don't think there are any composers who are considered great by popular opinion. Poledouris has the respect of about 99% of the film scoring community, Bates does not. I know of plenty of non-score fans who think Conan the Barbarian has some of the most awesome music in a movie that they know of. Hell, even the Nostalgia Critic even says that at some point, and he's a fairly significant proponent of "popular opinion". And it cuts both ways: other than 300 there isn't a single movie scored by Bates which has been embraced by the mainstream (Watchmen wasn't really, and most people seem to have ignored the Conan and Day the Earth Stood Still) remakes.

> And of coruse, all of this PALES in light of the utter obvious that Mr.
> Poledouris is DEAD and Bates lives on to further his scoring career.
> NOW...What REALLY bemoans me, however, isn't the quality of either - but
> the sheer FACT that back in (your hero) Mr. Poledouris' day? He didn't
> have so many critics dogpiling his works in an open forum to cramp his
> style; as Bates now has, and easily so.

Oh, so if a composer dies, he is no longer relevant? Huh. I guess Jerry Goldsmith doesn't matter anymore then, and once John Williams kicks the bucket you don't have to care about the Star Wars themes anymore, and I guess the entire world of classical, baroque and romantic music is pretty much irrelevant too.

You, sir, are an idiot. Do yourself a favor and shut up.


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Re: You have   Tuesday, August 16, 2011 (4:10 p.m.) 

Wow somebody's mad.

You know what I say is true. Who gets all the Oscar noms and big box office movies? Look at Poledouris' body of work compared to Bates. Hell, just look at his body of work by itself. I'm sure On Deadly Ground was a winning film, as was Lassie. Conan? The movie is lucky Remote Control didn't get the gig to score it.



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Re: You have   Wednesday, August 17, 2011 (6:41 a.m.) 
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> You know what I say is true. Who gets all the Oscar noms and big box
> office movies? Look at Poledouris' body of work compared to Bates. Hell,
> just look at his body of work by itself. I'm sure On Deadly Ground was a
> winning film, as was Lassie. Conan? The movie is lucky Remote Control
> didn't get the gig to score it.

Uhm, what exactly are you saying? Do you even know what you are saying?

Are you suggesting Bates is an Oscar worthy composer? Or the RC boys are? Cause looking at the nominees of the last couple of years, Zimmer is the only RC composer who has received an Oscar nomination.

Also if you think the quality of a film has anything to do with the quality of the composer you are a moron. Jerry Goldsmith's resume is filled with terrible films, yet he's considered to be one of the best film composers ever. Brian Tyler is one of the more interesting composers around and I don't he ever scored a film that is considered to be great. John Ottman and Marco Beltrami are also two very talented composers who scored plenty of terrible films.

As for Bates' Conan score, I'm listening to it right now. It's ok in a guilty pleasure kind of way I guess, but once it finished I doubt I'll remember a single second of it.


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Re: You have   Thursday, August 18, 2011 (3:05 p.m.) 

> Uhm, what exactly are you saying? Do you even know what you are
> saying?

> Are you suggesting Bates is an Oscar worthy composer? Or the RC boys are?
> Cause looking at the nominees of the last couple of years, Zimmer is the
> only RC composer who has received an Oscar nomination.

> Also if you think the quality of a film has anything to do with the
> quality of the composer you are a moron. Jerry Goldsmith's resume is
> filled with terrible films, yet he's considered to be one of the best film
> composers ever. Brian Tyler is one of the more interesting composers
> around and I don't he ever scored a film that is considered to be great.
> John Ottman and Marco Beltrami are also two very talented composers who
> scored plenty of terrible films.

> As for Bates' Conan score, I'm listening to it right now. It's ok in a
> guilty pleasure kind of way I guess, but once it finished I doubt I'll
> remember a single second of it.

Well i feel the same way about the original Conan score, and there's my point.


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To each their own I guess... *NM*   Thursday, August 18, 2011 (6:16 p.m.) 
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Idiot   Friday, August 19, 2011 (4:33 p.m.) 

> Hell yes I said deal with it.
> Based on all the Remote Control hatred from this site? Double deal with
> it.

> Dont blame me, blame the times...and they are a changing. I never said i
> like it or dont like it, but based on all these reviews and elitist
> comments, might as well state it cuz it the truth, until things change yet
> again in favor for a more classical approach...

If you're so down for truth, then deal with the fact that Bates' music is infinitely worse than Poledouris' score, and while his scores made hundreds of thousands of people around the world listen to film music, Bates' music won't.

Because it's not tolerable on album.

But I have to agree that Remote Control may be the future, and that could also be because each consecutive generation of teenagers, who you apparently represent, seems to hit a new low on the IQ meter.
And the Remote Control mentality, in music, film, and TV, is as much cause as it is effect of that trend.


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Re: Great Album Stupid Reviewer   Monday, August 15, 2011 (8:26 p.m.) 

> That seems to be the growing trend here with Filmtracks...
> The Remote Control hatred here is rampant, as are the other posters.

> Remote Control scores and their ilk are the future. If you guys dont like
> it, then stop bitching and go make your own "orchestral only"
> website, if that floats your boat.

> I bet you guys wont have much to discuss, though, since Zimmer-type scores
> are taking over.

> Deal with it.

Fanboy troll. Ignore.


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Re: Great Album Stupid Reviewer   Monday, September 12, 2011 (12:38 a.m.) 

> That seems to be the growing trend here with Filmtracks...
> The Remote Control hatred here is rampant, as are the other posters.

> Remote Control scores and their ilk are the future. If you guys dont like
> it, then stop bitching and go make your own "orchestral only"
> website, if that floats your boat.

> I bet you guys wont have much to discuss, though, since Zimmer-type scores
> are taking over.

> Deal with it.

Wow! This is really stupid.
Definitely, you may be someone paid by CC to heat up this forum.



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Re: Great Album Stupid Reviewer   Monday, August 15, 2011 (6:56 p.m.) 

> The album is awesome! Contemporary - Kick Ass! I am a fan of Basil
> Poledouris, but his score is SO dated... If you cannot handle where film
> scores are going then stop writing reviews...

Definitely not an idiotic person....


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