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How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?

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How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?   Friday, July 25, 2008 (6:43 p.m.) 
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Anyone who visits this website shares my opionion that a filmscore is one of the most important element of a good movie. However, a enjoable score can come from a bad movie and a dislikable score can come from a good movie. What ever your opions are on Hans Zimmer how can you argue agains this score being great as the music for the movie itself? Just for within the film. I'm not asking why you don't like listing to it on it's own, that I can understand, it's not exactly easy listening.



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Re: How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?   Friday, July 25, 2008 (9:02 p.m.) 

> Anyone who visits this website shares my opionion that a filmscore is one
> of the most important element of a good movie. However, a enjoable score
> can come from a bad movie and a dislikable score can come from a good
> movie. What ever your opions are on Hans Zimmer how can you argue agains
> this score being great as the music for the movie itself? Just for within
> the film. I'm not asking why you don't like listing to it on it's own,
> that I can understand, it's not exactly easy listening.

Zimmer ignores the complexity of the characters or the emotional weight of any scene in the film, and overall, fails to establish any sort of deep emotion for the entirety of the film. Its vaguely effective in the most BASIC of senses, but fails to highlight specific actions within scenes or tie ideas together musically.


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Re: How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?   Wednesday, July 30, 2008 (10:28 a.m.) 

> Zimmer ignores the complexity of the characters or the emotional weight of
> any scene in the film, and overall, fails to establish any sort of deep
> emotion for the entirety of the film. Its vaguely effective in the most
> BASIC of senses, but fails to highlight specific actions within scenes or
> tie ideas together musically.

Sorry but I didn't think of it that way. I think the music agent of chaos which plays during the most dramatic scene in the movie was 100% effective and correct usage of music. Nolan didn't want to use music on the major action sequences this time, that's his choice, not Zimmers, and outside of that I think this score functioned perfectly in the film. The film lacked emotional depth, not the music. It's Nolan who is responsible for that.



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Re: How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?   Wednesday, July 30, 2008 (2:21 p.m.) 

> The film lacked emotional depth, not the music. It's Nolan who is responsible
> for that.

My, my. That really is another debate, now, isn't it?



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Re: How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?   Wednesday, July 30, 2008 (10:27 p.m.) 

> My, my. That really is another debate, now, isn't it?

It really isn't exactly a film which has to carry an emotional depth. I don't actually think Nolan's intention was for people to feel really sorry for Batman at any point, it's after all not a real drama, it's a crime thriller and a comic book based one. The movie was really good but not emotional anywhere. And I think the music functioned the most simple way at an isolated emotional scene in the movie. I tend to agree with Goldwasser review here that this music was rather clever sound design after all, which Nolan really wanted, as less thematic presence as possible and as much blending into the sound as possible. If you saw the film on IMAX, the music was extremely nice to hear in every scene, it was very loudly mixed in and it really blended well with the rest of the sound. I was getting a small chill every time I heard Joker's tone. When I think about the music, adding more thematic material or any kind of progression towards the end isn't exactly what would make it better. I wished Nolan decided to use more music in action sequences so there was more action underscore on the album. That's the only thing I'd add to this album to make it a 4 star value, not better themes. It wouldn't work on this film.


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Re: How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?   Thursday, August 21, 2008 (12:04 a.m.) 

> It really isn't exactly a film which has to carry an emotional depth. I
> don't actually think Nolan's intention was for people to feel really sorry
> for Batman at any point, it's after all not a real drama, it's a crime
> thriller and a comic book based one. The movie was really good but not
> emotional anywhere. And I think the music functioned the most simple way
> at an isolated emotional scene in the movie. I tend to agree with
> Goldwasser review here that this music was rather clever sound design
> after all, which Nolan really wanted, as less thematic presence as
> possible and as much blending into the sound as possible. If you saw the
> film on IMAX, the music was extremely nice to hear in every scene, it was
> very loudly mixed in and it really blended well with the rest of the
> sound. I was getting a small chill every time I heard Joker's tone. When I
> think about the music, adding more thematic material or any kind of
> progression towards the end isn't exactly what would make it better. I
> wished Nolan decided to use more music in action sequences so there was
> more action underscore on the album. That's the only thing I'd add to this
> album to make it a 4 star value, not better themes. It wouldn't work on
> this film.

You people's perception of emotion must be seriously warped if you fail to see evidence of it in The Dark Knight. Leaving the theater weaping isn't emotion. That chill you felt is emotion. Being connected to the characters, the story, to Gotham, to the multifaceted symbolism...that is emotion and Nolan is master at creating such atmosphere for a story.



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Re: How can a score for a film that is rated so highly be considered this bad?   Saturday, August 30, 2008 (7:27 p.m.) 

> You people's perception of emotion must be seriously warped if you fail to
> see evidence of it in The Dark Knight. Leaving the theater weaping isn't
> emotion. That chill you felt is emotion. Being connected to the
> characters, the story, to Gotham, to the multifaceted symbolism...that is
> emotion and Nolan is master at creating such atmosphere for a story.

I agree. To say that you didn't feel at any point in the film some emotional connection to the characters would be lying. Emotion isn't just crying and weeping when a character dies.


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