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You should probably listen to a soundtrack more than once before reviewing it

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You should probably listen to a soundtrack more than once before reviewing it   Thursday, July 31, 2008 (6:30 p.m.) 
• Now Playing: The Dark Knight  

Two stars? Really?

I bought this soundtrack before I even saw the movie. I'll admit that the first time I listened to it I didn't really hear much. Every track seemed to blend into the next and I couldn't detect a theme of any kind. The one thing that stood out was the climax of Like a Dog Chasing Cars. The rest was just confusing. But I was patient. I went back to the beginning and kept listening to it over and over until my mind could comprehend it. I find it horrifying, dark, moody, thrilling, desperate, and one hell of a soundtrack. Perfect for the movie which it accompanies. For it to be dismissed as a bunch of recycled crap really steams my broccoli. I'll admit that Why so Serious? is an aquired taste, but the Harvey Dent theme is amazing, and A Dark Knight is perhaps the most epic journey I have ever listened to on a film score. It's not a popcorn movie, and it's not a popcorn soundtrack. For those people who take the time and effort, it will be a masterpiece.



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Re: You should probably listen to a soundtrack more than once before reviewing i   Friday, August 1, 2008 (3:47 a.m.) 

> Two stars? Really?

> I bought this soundtrack before I even saw the movie. I'll admit that the
> first time I listened to it I didn't really hear much. Every track seemed
> to blend into the next and I couldn't detect a theme of any kind. The one
> thing that stood out was the climax of Like a Dog Chasing Cars. The rest
> was just confusing. But I was patient. I went back to the beginning and
> kept listening to it over and over until my mind could comprehend it. I
> find it horrifying, dark, moody, thrilling, desperate, and one hell of a
> soundtrack. Perfect for the movie which it accompanies. For it to be
> dismissed as a bunch of recycled crap really steams my broccoli. I'll
> admit that Why so Serious? is an aquired taste, but the Harvey Dent theme
> is amazing, and A Dark Knight is perhaps the most epic journey I have ever
> listened to on a film score. It's not a popcorn movie, and it's not a
> popcorn soundtrack. For those people who take the time and effort, it will
> be a masterpiece.

Thank you, you made my day.



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Re: You should probably listen to a soundtrack more than once before reviewing i   Sunday, August 3, 2008 (7:57 a.m.) 

> Thank you, you made my day.

Sorry but while I agree Dark Knight score is by no means a masterpiece, it's certainly not a 2 star score, that is, if Christian thinks Hancock score is 3 stars. I own both scores, listened to them more than once and I can't seem to find any really interesting track on Hancock which I'll wanna listen later on in a few months or years. It's totally a filler score with no significant new material, it's a rehash of old Powell, exactly like Zimmer and Dark Knight. But at least there are some nice action underscore on Dark Knight, which I already listened to like 200 times and still like to listen. If Hancock score is worth 3 stars, how the hell is Dark Knight score worth less? I mostly agree with Christian's reviews and yes I accept that Zimmer has been doing nothing new lately but the reviews have not been consistent with each other. If he's blaming Dark Knight to be a total rehash of old scores, and gives it a 2 star because of that, Hancock is the same formula and it's even less interesting when you listen to it. Imho Dark Knight is a 3 star score, that is comparing to other 3 star scores here. I mean check the other 2 star scores listed here, most of them have absolutely no decent tracks to listen to. Dark Knight is no such score. There are definitely couple tracks which are fun and engaging.


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Re: You should probably listen to a soundtrack more than once before reviewing i   Tuesday, December 30, 2008 (4:59 a.m.) 

> Sorry but while I agree Dark Knight score is by no means a masterpiece,
> it's certainly not a 2 star score, that is, if Christian thinks Hancock
> score is 3 stars. I own both scores, listened to them more than once and I
> can't seem to find any really interesting track on Hancock which I'll
> wanna listen later on in a few months or years. It's totally a filler
> score with no significant new material, it's a rehash of old Powell,
> exactly like Zimmer and Dark Knight. But at least there are some nice
> action underscore on Dark Knight, which I already listened to like 200
> times and still like to listen. If Hancock score is worth 3 stars, how the
> hell is Dark Knight score worth less? I mostly agree with Christian's
> reviews and yes I accept that Zimmer has been doing nothing new lately but
> the reviews have not been consistent with each other. If he's blaming Dark
> Knight to be a total rehash of old scores, and gives it a 2 star because
> of that, Hancock is the same formula and it's even less interesting when
> you listen to it. Imho Dark Knight is a 3 star score, that is comparing to
> other 3 star scores here. I mean check the other 2 star scores listed
> here, most of them have absolutely no decent tracks to listen to. Dark
> Knight is no such score. There are definitely couple tracks which are fun
> and engaging.

Thats pretty well-balanced comment. Not just because I agree, but it makes a fair point about contextualising stars/5. I really love The Dark Knight score, but am happy to read negative reviews of it (i also liked M:I by Elfman and Fiedel's Terminator scores which have "infamous" reviews on here), but, to be fair, I wouldn't really blame CC for not being able to remember exactly what he'd given another score, judging by his workload on the site and how he's reviewing new scores as well as expanding older reviews.

Bear in mind he is still a human on the other end of a PC (or mac :-|), not some film score-reviewing machine... so he has to make time for having a life as well... and he's the only guy doing the site, from what i gather...


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I love these...   Friday, August 1, 2008 (7:50 a.m.) 
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Ah, the good old "you'd like it as much as I do if you listened to it more carefully" argument.

I listened to the score repeatedly over three days while I did my background research on it and the film. As per usual, I took notation about every track and motif usage. That's how you prepare for a 3000+ word review. And, unfortunately for you, the work did not impress me any more on the last listen. Sorry.


> Two stars? Really?

Yes.


> For it to be dismissed as a bunch of recycled crap really steams my broccoli.

Then you need to go back and listen to Zimmer's previous work, as you say, "more than once."


> A Dark Knight is perhaps the most epic journey I have ever listened to on a film score.

I would fathom that your film music collection, then, is slim.


> For those people who take the time and effort, it will be a masterpiece.

You could say the same about sex, but sometimes you're still romping with a hideously unattractive and uncoordinated mate. Time and effort, in both cases, won't improve the experience.

Christian



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Re: I love these...   Friday, August 1, 2008 (1:03 p.m.) 

>> A Dark Knight is perhaps the most epic journey I have ever listened to on a >>film score.

>I would fathom that your film music collection, then, is slim.

I too loved the "A Dark Knight" but you seem to know even better tracks.
What are your favorites then?


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Re: I love these...   Saturday, August 2, 2008 (2:06 p.m.) 

> I too loved the "A Dark Knight" but you seem to know even better
> tracks.
> What are your favorites then?

More than you can imagine, bub.


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Re: I love these...   Monday, August 4, 2008 (9:07 a.m.) 

> You could say the same about sex, but sometimes you're still romping
> with a hideously unattractive and uncoordinated mate. Time and effort, in
> both cases, won't improve the experience.

Disgraceful and insulting comment.



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Re: I love these...   Monday, August 4, 2008 (6:18 p.m.) 

> Disgraceful and insulting comment.

True though.


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Re: I love these...   Sunday, August 10, 2008 (12:15 a.m.) 
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> Ah, the good old "you'd like it as much as I do if you listened to it
> more carefully" argument.

> I listened to the score repeatedly over three days while I did my
> background research on it and the film. As per usual, I took notation
> about every track and motif usage. That's how you prepare for a 3000+ word
> review. And, unfortunately for you, the work did not impress me any more
> on the last listen. Sorry.

> Yes.

> Then you need to go back and listen to Zimmer's previous work, as you
> say, "more than once."

> I would fathom that your film music collection, then, is slim.

> You could say the same about sex, but sometimes you're still romping
> with a hideously unattractive and uncoordinated mate. Time and effort, in
> both cases, won't improve the experience.

> Christian

Idk how ppl like you can just put down this movie so easily. The movie was amazing worth 4-5 stars fo sho, and its getting a 2 on this site? cmon seriously, whats up with all u up tight religious freaks? thats why i stray from religious, cause all the "you wil go to hell for watching this movie" that i read from you scared ppl. plus u, christian, gotta put down other ppl (ive read more of your posts) aint rite.



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Re: I love these...   Sunday, August 10, 2008 (9:27 a.m.) 

> Idk how ppl like you can just put down this movie so easily. The movie was
> amazing worth 4-5 stars fo sho, and its getting a 2 on this site? cmon
> seriously, whats up with all u up tight religious freaks? thats why i
> stray from religious, cause all the "you wil go to hell for watching
> this movie" that i read from you scared ppl. plus u, christian, gotta
> put down other ppl (ive read more of your posts) aint rite.

He's not putting down the movie, he's putting forth a well thought out, well reasoned opinion of the SCORE within' the movie. I loved the movie, hated the score. In my opinion Christian's review is spot on (if not quite harsh enough). As far as his responses, its his website he can write what he wants, if you don't like it, don't read it.


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Re: I love these...   Monday, June 22, 2009 (9:36 a.m.) 
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> Ah, the good old "you'd like it as much as I do if you listened to it
> more carefully" argument.

> I listened to the score repeatedly over three days while I did my
> background research on it and the film. As per usual, I took notation
> about every track and motif usage. That's how you prepare for a 3000+ word
> review. And, unfortunately for you, the work did not impress me any more
> on the last listen. Sorry.

> Yes.

> Then you need to go back and listen to Zimmer's previous work, as you
> say, "more than once."

> I would fathom that your film music collection, then, is slim.

> You could say the same about sex, but sometimes you're still romping
> with a hideously unattractive and uncoordinated mate. Time and effort, in
> both cases, won't improve the experience.

> Christian

It's always funny watching critics respond to criticism. They usually handle it worse than the people they critique.



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So should you.   Tuesday, August 5, 2008 (10:45 a.m.) 

Meh.


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Re: So should you.   Wednesday, August 6, 2008 (4:43 a.m.) 

> Meh.

It's obvious this "reviewer" hates Mr.Zimmer. What's all about? You feel envious because he had suceed without a damn notion about music? I think so... you are pathetic.



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Re: So should you.   Wednesday, August 6, 2008 (5:25 p.m.) 

> It's obvious this "reviewer" hates Mr.Zimmer. What's all about?
> You feel envious because he had suceed without a damn notion about music?
> I think so... you are pathetic.

If he hates Zimmer, why does he give him four/five star reviews?

Do your research.


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Re: So should you.   Saturday, August 9, 2008 (10:16 p.m.) 

> If he hates Zimmer, why does he give him four/five star reviews?

> Do your research.

Hell, I hate Zimmer and as much as it pains me to admit it, I'd have to rate this score AS HEARD IN THE FILM about four out of five stars. For all its flaws, it does work in the film.

As stand-alone music, that's another story....



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Re: So should you.   Sunday, August 10, 2008 (5:06 a.m.) 

> Hell, I hate Zimmer and as much as it pains me to admit it, I'd have to
> rate this score AS HEARD IN THE FILM about four out of five stars. For all
> its flaws, it does work in the film.

> As stand-alone music, that's another story....

I don't think it works in the film at all. Zimmer and Howard so often score the scenes without a sense for what the scene really conveys; the hospital sequence for instance. It's so UNSUBTLE, despite what others say.


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Re: You should probably listen to a soundtrack more than once before reviewing i   Monday, August 11, 2008 (8:17 a.m.) 

> Two stars? Really?

> I bought this soundtrack before I even saw the movie. I'll admit that the
> first time I listened to it I didn't really hear much. Every track seemed
> to blend into the next and I couldn't detect a theme of any kind. The one
> thing that stood out was the climax of Like a Dog Chasing Cars. The rest
> was just confusing. But I was patient. I went back to the beginning and
> kept listening to it over and over until my mind could comprehend it. I
> find it horrifying, dark, moody, thrilling, desperate, and one hell of a
> soundtrack. Perfect for the movie which it accompanies. For it to be
> dismissed as a bunch of recycled crap really steams my broccoli. I'll
> admit that Why so Serious? is an aquired taste, but the Harvey Dent theme
> is amazing, and A Dark Knight is perhaps the most epic journey I have ever
> listened to on a film score. It's not a popcorn movie, and it's not a
> popcorn soundtrack. For those people who take the time and effort, it will
> be a masterpiece.

I really love how unwilling some people are to let someone else have their own opinion.


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