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Comments about the soundtrack for The Dark Knight Rises (Hans Zimmer/Various)

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Re: always use one orchestrator per ostinato
• Posted by: cs^tbl
• Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, at 3:57 a.m.
• IP Address: ip565e584e.direct-adsl.nl
• In Response to: Re: always use one orchestrator per ostinato (Flo)

> And then his brass sounds like a syntheszier. So I see no reason of using
> that huge amount of tubas, horns and trombones ...

Elliot Goldenthal used 16 horns and 8 trombones on Final Fantasy.. But yeah, E.G., with all his incidental Avant-garde quirks, demands far more orchestration respect from me than uncle Hans does.

Either way, with - say - 4 horns you can choose to create one "fat" tutti note *or* a chord with solo horns. Whether you think these solo horns sound fat or thin is an arbitrary discussion, but at least there is a tonal difference. Utilizing more horns means you can create chords with these "fat" tutti constructions. This may be the sole reason for uncle Hans to pick oodles o' brass players.

So, where is the difference with other composers? First, as a listener you may perceive 4 horns creating a chord not as thin, so you won't hear any issue when 'only' 4 horns are used - even if there *is* a tonal difference. Even better; tutti horns playing pianissimo sound more anonymous than solo fortissimo horns, and well whatdayaknow, 'anonymous' was just the term I found for TDKR!

Secondly, a composer may choose to use tutti sections of horns, trumpets and trombones to form chords.

Thirdly, other composers may choose to add specific woodwinds to beef up solo brass instruments, I'd think of bassoons and clarinets. I'm not quite convinced the RemoteControl-formula uses those (or any other) woodwinds often.

Either way, what strikes me as odd is that this RC brass sound isn't even that complex, it's more like having an acoustic synthesizer, played as a synthesizer. And then I think: 'ok, why bother hiring brass instruments in the first place?' Go with samples or decent synths..




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