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Dull   Wednesday, December 8, 2010 (1:59 p.m.) 

No seriously: dull. This is not composing, but smashing a zillion colors o' paint onto a canvas while not caring about the shape of the subject. It's flat, seemingly has no goal, and it has a lot of broken chords - of which one of my composition teachers always said that broken chords are barely ever to be called a melody. It's mostly chords with some stuff around it to soup it up, a bit. But that has more to do with arranging/orchestrating than with composition. It's simply sound, but has no shape. Almost like having a box o' LEGO bricks and placing all of them bricks onto the green floor plate. Never a complete 3-dimensional house.. just endless stuff directly onto the bottom of that floor plate.

Nope. Sorry, can't make more from it. It's completely forgettable. At best it's a demo of what an orchestra sounds like - like we didn't know already. And it isn't even special in itself, there are countless people out there, unknowns, who can do a better job than this.

Not in a million years will Desplat earn a place onto my list o' composers to listen to. And yes, do I hope JW closes the series..

..prolly won't happen.

** (1 * for the composition, 1* for the orchestration)


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Re: Dull   Friday, December 17, 2010 (10:50 a.m.) 

> No seriously: dull. This is not composing, but smashing a zillion colors
> o' paint onto a canvas while not caring about the shape of the subject.
> It's flat, seemingly has no goal, and it has a lot of broken chords - of
> which one of my composition teachers always said that broken chords are
> barely ever to be called a melody. It's mostly chords with some stuff
> around it to soup it up, a bit. But that has more to do with
> arranging/orchestrating than with composition. It's simply sound, but has
> no shape. Almost like having a box o' LEGO bricks and placing all of them
> bricks onto the green floor plate. Never a complete 3-dimensional house..
> just endless stuff directly onto the bottom of that floor plate.

Would you care to explain what "broken chords" are?


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Re: Dull   Friday, December 24, 2010 (7:00 a.m.) 

> Would you care to explain what "broken chords" are?

A sequence of notes that (when stacked) would form a chord. So, if and {this is a sequence}, then:

is a c-major chord, and
{c e g c e g c e g ..} is a broken c-major chord sequence.

There's no effort in breaking chords and use it as theme/melody, every child can do it. Whether it's a variation like {c e g g e c} or {g c e g c e} doesn't really matter. Musically speaking, the information is the same; the information of chords, nothing beyond that apart from a rhythmic structure. And for a franchise that started with JW's excellent *real* themes, Desplat's effort is a big bummer. I've heard this mechanism before (TGC).. so I'll stick to my opinion that Desplat can't write grand themes.

(Message edited on Friday, December 24, 2010, at 8:02 a.m.)


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Re: Dull   Friday, December 24, 2010 (8:05 a.m.) 

> A sequence of notes that (when stacked) would form a chord. So, if and
> {this is a sequence}, then:

> is a c-major chord, and
> {c e g c e g c e g ..} is a broken c-major chord sequence.

ascii error galore!

A sequence of notes that (when stacked) would form a chord. So, if [this is a chord] and {this is a sequence}, then:

[c e g] is a c-major chord, and
{c e g c e g c e g ..} is a broken c-major chord sequence.

(Message edited on Friday, December 24, 2010, at 8:05 a.m.)


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Re: Dull   Tuesday, December 28, 2010 (5:32 p.m.) 

> ascii error galore!

> A sequence of notes that (when stacked) would form a chord. So, if [this
> is a chord] and {this is a sequence}, then:

> [c e g] is a c-major chord, and
> {c e g c e g c e g ..} is a broken c-major chord sequence.

So, in this example: http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0082538

it would be from bar 5 onwards?

I know what you mean; I hate that, when the music tries to create the feeling like something is happening, but there really isn't.


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Re: Dull   Wednesday, December 29, 2010 (6:25 a.m.) 

> So, in this example:
> http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0082538 it would be
> from bar 5 onwards?

Yes, there are a lot of variations to apply. Sometimes it can be put to good use, but basically it's nothing more than painting with chords. Now imagine chords being the left hand on a keyboard, with no right hand playing along. That's what I hear a lot in recent times: chords using the left hand on a keyboard, with nothing of a theme on top of it. Not just from Desplat, but from a lot of people, esp. from the MV/RC stables. It probably works under the movie, but there's little to enjoy on album, for me at least. That's exactly why I tend to stick to scores from the 70's, 80's and 90's. It's not so much the era's style, it's the composers who were at work back then, and especially the composers who were *not* at work back then.

But, it's not all just broken chords that annoy me.

Between writing the previous paragraph and this one, I scripted something together in Lilypond:

http://www.infinitemsx.com/dump/anthem.pdf

Now, I think you'll agree with me that this is fairly basic MV/RC output. Now, watch the notes of the violins line. It may appear that there's a distinctive melody here, but in reality these melody notes are identical to the chords you hear (played with Brass). So the melody only adds a tonal flavor, but not really a melody, let alone a melody that stands out. While HP wasn't Anthem material, I hear Desplat do similar things.. chord play with melodies that are more like an extention of this chord than something self-containing.

And that's 1) a loss compared to earlier decades where composers were composers instead of keyboard players, and 2) a loss compared to JW's input for this particular franchise.

(Message edited on Wednesday, December 29, 2010, at 6:28 a.m.)


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Re: Dull   Thursday, December 30, 2010 (2:01 p.m.) 

> A sequence of notes that (when stacked) would form a chord. So, if and
> {this is a sequence}, then:

> is a c-major chord, and
> {c e g c e g c e g ..} is a broken c-major chord sequence.

That's called an arpeggio.


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Re: Dull   Thursday, December 30, 2010 (5:08 p.m.) 

> That's called an arpeggio.

Call it what you want, it's still not creative.


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Re: Dull   Friday, December 31, 2010 (3:12 a.m.) 

> That's called an arpeggio.

It's all the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpeggio

I prefer the term 'broken chord' in this particular context though.



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Re: Dull   Saturday, January 1, 2011 (6:52 p.m.) 

> It's all the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpeggio I prefer the
> term 'broken chord' in this particular context though.

That's cool. I had never heard of it referred to as a "broken chord," but it makes sense all the same.


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