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Comments about the soundtrack for Enemy at the Gates (James Horner)
Red Heat Chorus

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Red Heat Chorus   Tuesday, February 20, 2001 (7:51 a.m.) 

A quote from the review: "For a long time, film music fans were baffled by the march at the beginning and end of Horner's 1988 flop Red Heat, which featured an adult male and female chorus performing a Russian anthem that sounded much unlike anything else that Horner had recorded since."

Well, it sounds unlike anything Horner has ever done before or since, because it was not written by Horner. Are you surprised? It is a theme by Sergey Prokofiev called "The Philosophers" and it can be found on the album "Cantata For The 20th Anniversary Of The October Revolution." The only changes that Horner made are: he added a few orchestral crashes to emphasize the filmediting and he speeded the whole thing up.

But, it is an excellent piece of music (so is the entire "Cantata") and I was hoping that Horner might use it (or other themes by Prokofiev) again. I am very pleased indeed to read that he did. // Peter.

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Re: Red Heat Chorus   Wednesday, February 21, 2001 (2:34 a.m.) 

> But, it is an excellent piece of music (so is the entire
> "Cantata") and I was hoping that Horner might use it (or other
> themes by Prokofiev) again. I am very pleased indeed to read that he did.

No, he didn't.


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Re: Red Heat Chorus   Sunday, March 11, 2001 (6:28 p.m.) 

I am amazed at the amount of Horner bashing that goes on and on endlessly. I am not a music scholar, but either all you Horner bashers out there just need someone to hate and bash, or you have no real knowledge of film composers. If anyone has been around long enough to have heard Williams work from the early days, there are clear themes from his TV scoring days such as "Lost In Space" in the 80s "Superman" soundtrack. Early film scores such as "Earthquake" find their way into "Indiana Jones", and even the themes from "Star Wars: Episode one" can be found Williams "Patriot" soundtrack! Same is true of Goldsmith who stole his own themes in "Logan's Run" and used them in "The Secret Of NIMH". Of course I could go on and on, but I won't. I Love Horners music just as I do Williams and Goldsmith. They all have created some great scores and some terrible scores and they all borrow from their previous efforts.
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> A quote from the review: "For a long time, film music fans were
> baffled by the march at the beginning and end of Horner's 1988 flop Red
> Heat, which featured an adult male and female chorus performing a Russian
> anthem that sounded much unlike anything else that Horner had recorded
> since."

> Well, it sounds unlike anything Horner has ever done before or since,
> because it was not written by Horner. Are you surprised? It is a theme by
> Sergey Prokofiev called "The Philosophers" and it can be found
> on the album "Cantata For The 20th Anniversary Of The October
> Revolution." The only changes that Horner made are: he added a few
> orchestral crashes to emphasize the filmediting and he speeded the whole
> thing up.

> But, it is an excellent piece of music (so is the entire
> "Cantata") and I was hoping that Horner might use it (or other
> themes by Prokofiev) again. I am very pleased indeed to read that he did.
> // Peter.


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Re: Red Heat Chorus   Tuesday, March 13, 2001 (12:40 p.m.) 

I am amazed at your response, "Digitalscene" and I am not at all sure whether or not I should take your remarks personally. I for one am not a Horner-basher, I am actually a huge fan of Horners music. If you'd read my message carefully you'd have understood that I don't mind Horners so-called (self) ripp offs. I actually enjoy it when he does that.
I'd like to think I know a thing or two about composing, because I am a composer myself. If only an amateur. But no, I do not need someone to hate and to bash. And yes, I actually do understand filmcomposers very good, since I have interviewed a couple of them.
I was simply saying that the main theme (the chorus) from Red Heat is actually a theme by Prokofiev. If you think I am bashing Mr. Horner simply by giving you this little bit of information, you surely have no clue what "bashing" really is.//Peter.

> I am amazed at the amount of Horner bashing that goes on and on endlessly.
> I am not a music scholar, but either all you Horner bashers out there just
> need someone to hate and bash, or you have no real knowledge of film
> composers.

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Re: Red Heat Chorus   Tuesday, March 13, 2001 (6:21 p.m.) 

Let me apologize:
I did not mean to single you out. In my haste I responded to your post, but I should have made it clear I wasn't responding personally to you or to your comments. In fact my comments were meant as a general observation over the Horner bashing we all read about on these boards. I took no offense with your comments about James Horner. I hope that explains things a little better,
Digitalscene

> I am amazed at your response, "Digitalscene" and I am not at all
> sure whether or not I should take your remarks personally

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Re: Red Heat Chorus   Wednesday, March 14, 2001 (4:51 a.m.) 

Apology accepted. There is one thing I forgot to mention in my previous (defensive) repsonse: I absolutely agree with you. There is a lot of Horner-bashing going on. Mush has been said about it over the last years, so I won't go into this all over again. But it's true: Too many people hate Horner for (what I consider to be) the wrong reasons. I however am a huge fan.//Peter.

> Let me apologize:
I did not mean to single you out. In my haste I
> responded to your post, but I should have made it clear I wasn't
> responding personally to you or to your comments. In fact my comments were
> meant as a general observation over the Horner bashing we all read about
> on these boards. I took no offense with your comments about James Horner.
> I hope that explains things a little better,
Digitalscene


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