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Comments about the soundtrack for Enemy at the Gates (James Horner)
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Ian
The music   Monday, April 16, 2001 (4:26 p.m.) 

I was wondering... the score from enemy at the gates reminds me of some other movie soooooooo much, but i can't put my finger on it... i keep thinking it might be from star wars or an indiana jones movie, something by john williams,but i don't have the movies so i can't check... its the part that is played during all the really suspensful parts... i checked all movie scores composed by horner, nothing rings a bell, but i know i've heard it somewhere... any suggestions?

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Harvey Lime
The music   Saturday, October 27, 2001 (2:42 p.m.) 

I've read a lot of (mostly fatuous) comments about the score. Yes composers borrow but have I missed something? This owes an awful lot to Alexander Nevsky by Prokofiev, a piece of music which was all about russian patriotism. The review puts forward some silly theaory about the 4 note motif - listen to Nevsky and compare!

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Re: Oi! listen to..   Sunday, November 4, 2001 (11:27 p.m.) 

> I've read a lot of (mostly fatuous) comments about the score. Yes
> composers borrow but have I missed something? This owes an awful lot to
> Alexander Nevsky by Prokofiev, a piece of music which was all about
> russian patriotism. The review puts forward some silly theaory about the 4
> note motif - listen to Nevsky and compare!

Oi! You 'listen to Parsifal and compare!' too. It is in Parsifal. And it is probably in your Prokofiev too (sorry, I haven't heard it). And it is probably in many others as well. It is not like it is an extensive theme only a motif, a
fragment, so I didn't intend to come down hard on Horner for pinching it (if indeed he did), I meant that I was a little annoyed that he is using it so frequently in his scores. Okay? A truce?

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Sean Raduechel
Stealing Schindler's List!   Sunday, November 4, 2001 (5:29 p.m.) 

The review just posted is rather interesting...
I try to keep in mind that I must judge the score on its functionality within the film, and as a CD listening experience... regardless of how much he has borrowed from his previous scores.
But I cannot forgive the theft of other peoples music... no matter how popular of unpopular it may be.

This one is a doosy! As Horner has not directly taken this theme from Schindler's List.
The main theme you hear in Enemy At The Gates is actually a small theme used in the "Re-Entry/Splashdown" cue of Apollo 13.
Now... THIS was taken almost directly from Schindler's List... but I guess because it was a different subject, few people noticed.
So do we criticise Enemy of stealing from Schindler? Or do we merely accuse Horner from stealing his own reworking of a theme he stole previously???????

In any case... I think Enemy At The Gates is a great listen! And it has had more playing time in my system(s) than many of John Williams scores... that's for sure!

- H.

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Re: Stealing Schindler's List!   Sunday, November 4, 2001 (11:21 p.m.) 

> The review just posted is rather interesting...
I try to keep in mind
> that I must judge the score on its functionality within the film, and as a
> CD listening experience... regardless of how much he has borrowed from his
> previous scores.
But I cannot forgive the theft of other peoples
> music... no matter how popular of unpopular it may be.

> This one is a doosy! As Horner has not directly taken this theme from
> Schindler's List.
The main theme you hear in Enemy At The Gates is
> actually a small theme used in the "Re-Entry/Splashdown" cue of
> Apollo 13.
Now... THIS was taken almost directly from Schindler's
> List... but I guess because it was a different subject, few people
> noticed.
So do we criticise Enemy of stealing from Schindler? Or do we
> merely accuse Horner from stealing his own reworking of a theme he stole
> previously???????

> In any case... I think Enemy At The Gates is a great listen! And it has
> had more playing time in my system(s) than many of John Williams scores...
> that's for sure!

> - H.

I'm the guy who did the review. Hi. Yeah, I know that bit was from Apollo 13,
but it only occured like once, and I forgot to mention it, oh well. It isn't
a direct copy from Schindler's List I don't think. And having just listened to both scores back to back this afternoon, I really don't see the problem at all. One is lush and romantic (horner), the other is respectful and depressing (Williams), but both are great IMHO.


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Sean Raduechel
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Re: Stealing Schindler's List!   Monday, November 26, 2001 (1:23 p.m.) 

> This one is a doosy! As Horner has not directly taken this theme from
> Schindler's List.
The main theme you hear in Enemy At The Gates is
> actually a small theme used in the "Re-Entry/Splashdown" cue of
> Apollo 13.
Now... THIS was taken almost directly from Schindler's
> List... but I guess because it was a different subject, few people
> noticed.
So do we criticise Enemy of stealing from Schindler? Or do we
> merely accuse Horner from stealing his own reworking of a theme he stole
> previously???????

I do agree with you that the theme does sound a lot like Schindler's List(especially considering that is what I am now listening to as I write). However, I have been hearing many things lately that seem to use that theme. Although the other movie I've heard it in continues to evade my memory, one that does come to mind recently is the little slice played during ads related to Harry Potter. Although it is a little more difficult recognizing it there since it is re-engineered to sound more mystical.

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