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The biggest lazy film composer

Steven Chang-Lin Yu
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The biggest lazy film composer   Tuesday, April 9, 2002 (1:28 a.m.) 

Gee, I use to like Horner music alot, but after saving buying the soundtrack, I have to say I am very disappoting.

Firstly, he end up using almost the same material for "Braveheart" (alot of them) and "Titanic" (mainly in the 2nd track and 3rd track) over agagin.

Secondly, he borrow the theme from "Schindler's List" by John William, perhaps a tribute to the famous "Star Wars" composer???

Thirdly, the ring ring sound in the track "The hunter becomes the hunted" annoy me so much, it souns too much like my phone sounds!!!

What happen to Horner, can't he start writing some new material, perhaps he listern to his own music too much (Han Zimmer is start getting in to the habbit to I think). Maurice Jarre (Composer for Lawrence of Arabia and other famous movie" use to say going back and listern your own composition is a dangeroes thing for a composer, cause u always some how end up using the same material!!!

Finally I would like to ask, "Can we ever hear the music of the "Glory" again from Mr Horner?

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Re: The biggest lazy film composer   Sunday, May 12, 2002 (1:57 p.m.) 

> Gee, I use to like Horner music alot, but after saving buying the
> soundtrack, I have to say I am very disappoting.

> Firstly, he end up using almost the same material for
> "Braveheart" (alot of them) and "Titanic" (mainly in
> the 2nd track and 3rd track) over agagin.

> Secondly, he borrow the theme from "Schindler's List" by John
> William, perhaps a tribute to the famous "Star Wars" composer???

> Thirdly, the ring ring sound in the track "The hunter becomes the
> hunted" annoy me so much, it souns too much like my phone sounds!!!

> What happen to Horner, can't he start writing some new material, perhaps
> he listern to his own music too much (Han Zimmer is start getting in to
> the habbit to I think). Maurice Jarre (Composer for Lawrence of Arabia and
> other famous movie" use to say going back and listern your own
> composition is a dangeroes thing for a composer, cause u always some how
> end up using the same material!!!

> Finally I would like to ask, "Can we ever hear the music of the
> "Glory" again from Mr Horner?

"going back and listening to your own composition is a dangerous thing for a composer, cause you always somehow end up using the same material!"

"Can we ever hear the music of "Glory" again from Mr. Horner"

Are these two seriously in the same comment? I'm confused then, is it or isn't it ok for a composer to reuse a theme?

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Amuro
Addition Notes!!!   Sunday, December 1, 2002 (12:06 a.m.) 

Man he is lazy alright, I just been listern to Mahler's Symphony No. 8, "The Symphony Of Thousnad", there is the theme in the movie again!!! Gee!!!

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Re: Addition Notes!!!   Tuesday, February 3, 2004 (6:46 p.m.) 

> Man he is lazy alright, I just been listern to Mahler's Symphony No. 8,
> "The Symphony Of Thousnad", there is the theme in the movie
> again!!! Gee!!!

Now listen, I'm sick and tired of hearing people bash Horner for his reuse of themes all over the place. He does it... okay... fair enough. But how often does he really do it? Okay, we have the obvious repetition of theme from "Apollo 13" to "Titanic" and from "Braveheart" to "Casper", "Star Trek II" to "The Rocketeer" but seriously, who really cares? It doesn't bother me any, and if you listen, amidst these "self-rip-offs" Horner employs enough NEW material to keep you intrested! Have you heard "The Four Feathers" sure Kahn's vocals are a little harsh the first time around... or you know, every time around, but after a while they start to mean something to you, and you can start to love them. Plus listen to the gorgeous orchestra preformance of the theme in the last track, its incredible! Please, point out a "self-rip-off" in there. Or even more current, look at "The Missing" a new score from 2003, that is an incredible score! The Native American chants are amazing, and you can't say that they are stolen straight from "Thunderheart" because they are significantly darker. In fact I can only find one thing in that entire score that is even a little re-used. The opening track a flute plays part of the "Braveheart" theme and then stops after like the 5th note. Okay, so this score dissapointed you... okay... that doesn't mean that Horner is incapable of creating new beautiful music... hell, i'll give a few cues to listen to for "ORIGINAL" stuff...

A Beautiful Mind
1. A Kaleidescope of Mathematics
4. Creating Governing Dynamics
The Four Feathers
1. The Makings of a fine soldier
4. SNIPER!
5. To Abou Clea
13. A Coward No Longer
Beyond Borders
MOST OF THE SOUNDTRACK
The Missing
Basically the whole thing...

Yeah, I'll admit, "Radio" was a little dissapointing and the whole brass whole note at the end of a phrase thing, was good in "The Rocketeer" but its starting to get old too. But that doesn't mean he's stopped completely. Horner is still a talented composer and he is certainly able to produce new, fresh, ideas that will knock your socks off!

Amuro

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Re: Addition Notes!!!   Sunday, January 15, 2006 (11:33 p.m.) 

> Now listen, I'm sick and tired of hearing people bash Horner for his reuse
> of themes all over the place. He does it... okay... fair enough. But how
> often does he really do it? Okay, we have the obvious repetition of theme
> from "Apollo 13" to "Titanic" and from
> "Braveheart" to "Casper", "Star Trek II" to
> "The Rocketeer" but seriously, who really cares? It doesn't
> bother me any, and if you listen, amidst these "self-rip-offs"
> Horner employs enough NEW material to keep you intrested! Have you heard
> "The Four Feathers" sure Kahn's vocals are a little harsh the
> first time around... or you know, every time around, but after a while
> they start to mean something to you, and you can start to love them. Plus
> listen to the gorgeous orchestra preformance of the theme in the last
> track, its incredible! Please, point out a "self-rip-off" in
> there. Or even more current, look at "The Missing" a new score
> from 2003, that is an incredible score! The Native American chants are
> amazing, and you can't say that they are stolen straight from
> "Thunderheart" because they are significantly darker. In fact I
> can only find one thing in that entire score that is even a little
> re-used. The opening track a flute plays part of the
> "Braveheart" theme and then stops after like the 5th note. Okay,
> so this score dissapointed you... okay... that doesn't mean that Horner is
> incapable of creating new beautiful music... hell, i'll give a few cues to
> listen to for "ORIGINAL" stuff...

> A Beautiful Mind
1. A Kaleidescope of Mathematics
4. Creating
> Governing Dynamics
The Four Feathers
1. The Makings of a fine
> soldier
4. SNIPER!
5. To Abou Clea
13. A Coward No Longer
>
Beyond Borders
MOST OF THE SOUNDTRACK
The Missing
>
Basically the whole thing...

> Yeah, I'll admit, "Radio" was a little dissapointing and the
> whole brass whole note at the end of a phrase thing, was good in "The
> Rocketeer" but its starting to get old too. But that doesn't mean
> he's stopped completely. Horner is still a talented composer and he is
> certainly able to produce new, fresh, ideas that will knock your socks
> off!

Are you SERIOUSLY speaking!!!
U call "A Kaleidescope of Mathematics" original
Thats the farthest song from 'original'
Go listen to the first tracks of Bicentenial Man
Its a freakin carbon copy of it!!
So is "Creating Governing Dynamics"

The Missing also ... Its basicaly Legends of the Fall 2
Not only he uses his own recycled material ... NO .. he takes a WHOLE page from Hans Zimmer's Beyond Rangoon... A whole page!!! Seriously unbeleivable

> Amuro


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Another Supporting Evidence!!!   Saturday, August 28, 2004 (6:28 a.m.) 

Man he is really really lazy!!!

The trumpt call in the EOG, already appeared in his early composition in the Willow soundtrack!!! I think for film directors wanting James to do the music for their movie can just pick and mix his old compositions!!!

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