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I've changed my mind

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Tomek
I've changed my mind   Sunday, April 6, 2003 (1:10 p.m.) 

I've changed my mind. I think ET sucks. Williams really doesn't know what he is doing and most of his work is just a rip-off of true classical composers. He should just stop trying. Maybe he can just focus on being a musician instead.

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Mark - 224
Re: I've changed my mind   Tuesday, April 15, 2003 (3:26 p.m.) 

> I've changed my mind. I think ET sucks. Williams really doesn't know what
> he is doing and most of his work is just a rip-off of true classical
> composers. He should just stop trying. Maybe he can just focus on being a
> musician instead.

I don't see anything wrong in taking inspiration from Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Wagner or Korngold and Herrmann - you're calling this rip-offing? There is no other film composer in the world that could handle so aestheticly and wisely taking inspiration from the past, and would so incredible know classics (well maybe Jerry)

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Hey   Thursday, May 1, 2003 (1:57 a.m.) 

Hey Tomek

You forgot one man. Carl Orff
Remember, CARMINA BURANA, 1. O' FORTUNA = DUEL OF THE FATES

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Re: Hey   Thursday, May 8, 2003 (6:34 a.m.) 

> Hey Tomek

> You forgot one man. Carl Orff
Remember, CARMINA BURANA, 1. O' FORTUNA
> = DUEL OF THE FATES

Hey Mark

Not exactly, I guess. Maybe they're similar in their musical texture and amazing use of choral singing, but lyrical roots of the Duel of the Fates are completly different . But I admit, O'Fortuna might have been an inspiration for John Williams (also for other composers - Basil Poledouris' "Riders of the Doom" from Conan the Barbarian, Jerry Goldsmith's "Arthur's Farewell" from First Knight or James Horner's "Charging Fort Wagner" from Glory to name most famous) while writing such a piece

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Re: Hey   Wednesday, August 27, 2003 (3:37 p.m.) 

Remember, CARMINA BURANA, 1. O' FORTUNA

> Hey Mark

> Not exactly, I guess. Maybe they're similar in their musical texture and
> amazing use of choral singing, but lyrical roots of the Duel of the Fates
> are completly different . But I admit, O'Fortuna might have been an
> inspiration for John Williams (also for other composers - Basil
> Poledouris' "Riders of the Doom" from Conan the Barbarian, Jerry
> Goldsmith's "Arthur's Farewell" from First Knight or James
> Horner's "Charging Fort Wagner" from Glory to name most famous)
> while writing such a piece

> Tomek
O.K. I can see the INSPIRATION to "Duel of the Fates" being rooted in Orff, for someone to sit there and say it's a ripp off, or even that it sounds anything like it, just shows complete stupidity and ignorance with music, because it doesn't sound anythig like O Fortuna, and you obviously don't know jack about music history and theory. And as for Mr. I-Hate-John-Williams on the first message, you can eat and die, because you obviously have never had anything to do with music, never played an intrument, and have never composed anything in your life. If you had any real working knowledge of music, you'd know that there is a BIG difference between having a similar style to someone, and ripping off an existing piece of music. So untill you actually have something to do with music and know what the hell you are talking about, then just shut you damn mouth!!!! Because you are only showing your blunt stupidity to everyone on this web site!

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Re: Hey   Monday, September 15, 2003 (2:12 a.m.) 

> Remember, CARMINA BURANA, 1. O' FORTUNA
O.K. I can see the INSPIRATION
> to "Duel of the Fates" being rooted in Orff, for someone to sit
> there and say it's a ripp off, or even that it sounds anything like it,
> just shows complete stupidity and ignorance with music, because it doesn't
> sound anythig like O Fortuna, and you obviously don't know jack about
> music history and theory. And as for Mr. I-Hate-John-Williams on the first
> message, you can eat and die, because you obviously have never had
> anything to do with music, never played an intrument, and have never
> composed anything in your life. If you had any real working knowledge of
> music, you'd know that there is a BIG difference between having a similar
> style to someone, and ripping off an existing piece of music. So untill
> you actually have something to do with music and know what the hell you
> are talking about, then just shut you damn mouth!!!! Because you are only
> showing your blunt stupidity to everyone on this web site!

Hey, I never said that Duel of the Fates is a Carmina Burana's rip-off!!! Nor the lyrics are rooted in Carmina Burana. In case you don't know, John Williams took for "Duel of the Fates" lyrics a gaelic poem "Battle of Trees" and then translated it to sanscrit. But those two pieces are similar in style, that is without a doubt.

Tomek

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Fates better than Fortuna   Sunday, October 24, 2004 (1:17 a.m.) 

I think Duel of the Fates is a better composition than O Fortuna. Therefore without composers retrospectively drawing inspiration, music would never progress forwards.

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Re: Fates better than Fortuna   Tuesday, August 5, 2008 (3:27 a.m.) 

> I think Duel of the Fates is a better composition than O Fortuna.
> Therefore without composers retrospectively drawing inspiration, music
> would never progress forwards.

Bravo! i agree with you.


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Re: Hey   Sunday, March 26, 2006 (1:19 p.m.) 

Williams can't think for himself. He came up with the theme for E.T. by ripping off a line from Dvorak's Dumky Trio (the cello line in the last movement, anyone???). As a result, countless people my age will hear the last few lines of the Dumky Trio and think of a corny movie about an alien... In this way, Williams has ruined a great piece of music. Shame on him.

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Re: Hey   Friday, January 2, 2009 (12:58 p.m.) 

That's right he took three bars - perfectly legal - and made a crap piece of Dvorak music into a wonderous melodic masterpiece!

> Williams can't think for himself. He came up with the theme for E.T. by
> ripping off a line from Dvorak's Dumky Trio (the cello line in the last
> movement, anyone???). As a result, countless people my age will hear the
> last few lines of the Dumky Trio and think of a corny movie about an
> alien... In this way, Williams has ruined a great piece of music. Shame on
> him.



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