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You forgot the most important reason this score sucks

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You forgot the most important reason this score sucks   Sunday, October 19, 2014 (4:06 p.m.) 

Namely, that all three of its major action cues, "Stonebanks Lives", "Infiltrating the Block" and "Armored Freaking Transport", are pretty much cobbled together from bits and pieces of action cues from the previous two scores. It's an incorrect thematic attribution or two away from being the equivalent of Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides. That kind of laziness is inexcusable, and two stars is the absolute most this score deserves.

However, it's far from the first under-three-star score in Tyler's career. You just haven't reviewed the right things...


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Re: You forgot the most important reason this score sucks   Monday, October 20, 2014 (6:10 a.m.) 

> Namely, that all three of its major action cues, "Stonebanks
> Lives", "Infiltrating the Block" and "Armored Freaking
> Transport", are pretty much cobbled together from bits and pieces of
> action cues from the previous two scores. It's an incorrect thematic
> attribution or two away from being the equivalent of Pirates of the
> Caribbean: On Stranger Tides
. That kind of laziness is inexcusable,
> and two stars is the absolute most this score deserves.

I actually enjoyed the second Expendables score more than the first, but was likewise greatly disappointed that so much of the Expendables 3 score was just rehashed music from the first two. Even the villain theme in Expendables 3 is the same as 2. Makes me wonder how that happened. Did the director request it? Did Tyler just want to hear what the same queues sounded like when performed by a different orchestra? DISAPPOINTED!

At well, at least we got Tyler's outstanding TMNT score this summer!


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Re: You forgot the most important reason this score sucks   Monday, October 20, 2014 (7:43 a.m.) 

> I actually enjoyed the second Expendables score more than the first, but
> was likewise greatly disappointed that so much of the Expendables 3 score
> was just rehashed music from the first two. Even the villain theme in
> Expendables 3 is the same as 2. Makes me wonder how that happened. Did the
> director request it? Did Tyler just want to hear what the same queues
> sounded like when performed by a different orchestra? DISAPPOINTED!

Or maybe he wanted thematic consistency? Which is what most of the people complain about lacking in franchises.

Now, being honest, I assume Tyler didn't had too much of time to work in the score, and the arrangers credited on the score adapted pieces and themes of the first two scores, like William Ross did in HP2. I mean, Tyler has barely mentioned to be working on the score unlike his other 2014 projects. Also, the movie has a lot of tracked cues.


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Re: You forgot the most important reason this score sucks   Monday, October 20, 2014 (10:45 a.m.) 

> Or maybe he wanted thematic consistency? Which is what most of the people
> complain about lacking in franchises.

I've told you this once if I've told you a million times: thematic consistency does NOT mean simple rehash or cutting/pasting of cues. Thematic consistency means taking the foundation from the first score and building on it with entirely fresh music that nevertheless contains connections to existing material. How to Train Your Dragon 2 does it right; Journey 2: The Mysterious Island does it right. Even The Expendables 2 does it right, for the most part. The Expendables 3, however, does it very much wrong.


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Re: You forgot the most important reason this score sucks   Monday, October 20, 2014 (6:38 p.m.) 
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> Or maybe he wanted thematic consistency? Which is what most of the people
> complain about lacking in franchises.

As Edmund already stated, this isn't an issue with thematic consistency: the second Expendables score did a good job of offering thematic consistency without feeling like a rehash. The problem is that so much of the third score is just verbatim copy/paste of music from the first and second scores.

> Now, being honest, I assume Tyler didn't had too much of time to work in
> the score, and the arrangers credited on the score adapted pieces and
> themes of the first two scores, like William Ross did in HP2. I mean,
> Tyler has barely mentioned to be working on the score unlike his other
> 2014 projects. Also, the movie has a lot of tracked cues.

This is something I've not heard before, but it would explain a lot about the Expendables 3 score if it was mostly arrangers adapting pieces of the prior scores, and Tyler's actual contribution was limited. This is also what was done with the second and third Superman scores. May I ask what your source is on this? It seems to make sense.


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