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Golden Globes tragedy

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Golden Globes tragedy   Sunday, January 19, 2003 (8:25 p.m.) 

It is a sad day when someone like Elliot Goldenthal wins a Golden Globe Award in preference to Elmer Bernstein. It is a pity that Goldenthal's talents (if he has any) as a composer do not extend to his ability to function as a human being on this planet. Elmer Bernstein on the other hand is both an imcomparable composer and a genuinely wonderful human being. The Golden Globe belonged to Elmer Bernstein and the failure of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association in realising this is an insult to their own integrity and that of the award itself.

On a lighter note Elmer Bernstein still has an opportunity to win the Academy Award in March and we all have the opportunity to show Elliot Goldenthal that he is not worthy of mention in the same breath as Elmer Bernstein.

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Re: Golden Globes tragedy   Sunday, February 2, 2003 (1:38 p.m.) 

While I totally agree with you that Elmer Bernstein is a superb composer and human being, must you lampoon Goldenthal like that? There's no need to be a poor sport; both of them wrote very good scores and your opinion happens to be that Bernstein's Far From Heaven was better.

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Re: Golden Globes tragedy   Wednesday, February 12, 2003 (12:49 p.m.) 

> It is a sad day when someone like Elliot Goldenthal wins a Golden Globe
> Award in preference to Elmer Bernstein. It is a pity that Goldenthal's
> talents (if he has any) as a composer do not extend to his ability to
> function as a human being on this planet. Elmer Bernstein on the other
> hand is both an imcomparable composer and a genuinely wonderful human
> being. The Golden Globe belonged to Elmer Bernstein and the failure of the
> Hollywood Foreign Press Association in realising this is an insult to
> their own integrity and that of the award itself.

> On a lighter note Elmer Bernstein still has an opportunity to win the
> Academy Award in March and we all have the opportunity to show Elliot
> Goldenthal that he is not worthy of mention in the same breath as Elmer
> Bernstein.

I admit that Elmer Bernstein should have won the Golden Globe. I am not bothered by the fact that Elliot Goldnthal is a Golden Globe winner For Best Score, but what does bother me is that he won for the wrong score. Of all the good scores he has written (Interview With the Vampire, Batman Forever, Heat, Titus, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within), I can't believe that his score for Frida would be the one to bring him a Golden Globe or Oscar. This year's Golden Globes and Oscars are pretty screwed up.

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Re: Golden Globes tragedy   Friday, February 14, 2003 (10:12 p.m.) 

> I admit that Elmer Bernstein should have won the Golden Globe. I am not
> bothered by the fact that Elliot Goldnthal is a Golden Globe winner For
> Best Score, but what does bother me is that he won for the wrong score. Of
> all the good scores he has written (Interview With the Vampire, Batman
> Forever, Heat, Titus, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within), I can't believe
> that his score for Frida would be the one to bring him a Golden Globe or
> Oscar. This year's Golden Globes and Oscars are pretty screwed up.

I can give a couple of reasons why Goldenthal might get the Oscar for THIS score. First off, the last time he's ever done something this melodic was Michael Collins, which was the last nomination he got. When you look at it, both scores are for biopics and include the integration of ethnic influences. Yes, I agree he should've won for some of his other scores, but you have to admire the guy's diversity. Also, there are complaints that some of his scores don't have memorable themes. He's not in the business to write great themes; he only concerns himself with what the film itself needs. Lastly, anyone can tell that the score was written out of love for the genre. Even Goldenthal himself admitted that his attempts to add more complexity weren't quite successful. Elmer Bernstein's score is very good; I have every nominated score for this year and they are good in their own rights. Frida just happens to stand out not only from them but from Goldenthal's other scores. I won't be surprised if Bernstein wins; even though he still has the upper hand, I'm rooting for Goldenthal all the way. I've been rooting for the score before it came out. Speaking of lack of originality, as some others complain about, try listening to La Cavalera a couple of times and tell me that's not original. He hasn't detracted from his originality, he's written original themes. That's the only area where originality applies because the score needed to stay within the bounds of the genre. It's not about writing a good score; it's about the writing the RIGHT score; whether or not is good is up to you. IMHO, after hearing track 10, I knew he'd get a nomination.

I know I've gotten off on a tangent. I'm just tired of the complaints. But I can't help that; people don't like what they don't understand. Hell, neither Bernstein nor Goldenthal might win. They might decide to give it to Thomas Newman to pay him back for American Beauty. Besides, he was hardly noticed the entire awards season before the nomination.

The whole thing is about favoritism, and I respect that. But people just need to be a little more open minded. I've heard each score and I realize the underlying reasons for their nominations. Besides, it gives more options on who to root for. Even though I'm rooting for Goldenthal, I'll be happy no matter who wins. They're all good. Last year, I was rooting for Howard Shore, but since only either Williams or Horner would've won if Shore didn't get it, I was happy with that thought as well. Root for one person definitely and root for some of the others after that. Otherwise, you'll just set yourself up for disappointment.

There are exceptions, though. I am still kind of ticked about Gladiator losing too years ago.

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Re: Golden Globes tragedy   Friday, February 14, 2003 (10:38 p.m.) 

I just remembered something: Final Fantasy was very melodic, too. Sorry to have forgotten.

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Re: Golden Globes tragedy   Saturday, February 15, 2003 (3:25 a.m.) 

I too am 'ticked' that Hans Zimmer did not win for Gladiator. Furthermore I am more than ticked that Lisa Gerrard did not recieve a nomination for her work on said score.

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Re: Golden Globes tragedy   Friday, June 25, 2004 (12:22 p.m.) 

> It is a sad day when someone like Elliot Goldenthal wins a Golden Globe
> Award in preference to Elmer Bernstein. It is a pity that Goldenthal's
> talents (if he has any) as a composer do not extend to his ability to
> function as a human being on this planet. Elmer Bernstein on the other
> hand is both an imcomparable composer and a genuinely wonderful human
> being. The Golden Globe belonged to Elmer Bernstein and the failure of the
> Hollywood Foreign Press Association in realising this is an insult to
> their own integrity and that of the award itself.

> On a lighter note Elmer Bernstein still has an opportunity to win the
> Academy Award in March and we all have the opportunity to show Elliot
> Goldenthal that he is not worthy of mention in the same breath as Elmer
> Bernstein.
How dare you. Dang do I feel bad for Elliot Goldenthal. Its people like you who bash his work that make me feel bad. He is so misunderstood, and I dont know why! Why do you have to be so un-objective? Its ok if you dont like him but your attitude is awful sir. Goldenthal maybe didnt deserve the oscar for Frida but I think the Academy is paying him back for all the times he didnt get the award he deserved! Just think about it, sir.

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