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Comments about the soundtrack for Gladiator (Hans Zimmer/Lisa Gerrard)
The Holsts are wrong.

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johnno
The Holsts are wrong.   Monday, September 15, 2008 (2:52 p.m.) 
• Now Playing: James Horner - Land Before time ;-)  

Before you start yelling,
- I have about 5 versions of The Planets
- I have the Dover score of The Planets
- I have probably heard the piece enough to be able to dream each note of each instrument of each planet, and therefor:
- I consider myself an expert on this matter, more so than that blah "Colin Matthews" who made the Pluto piece. If that Pluto piece showed one thing then it's that Colin is *not* a Holst expert, just a fan of the The Planets, not more than that.

Now, the Mars reference in Gladiator. Saying it's a blatant rip-off is like saying that ice-cream is like milkshake, and only because both are strawberry taste. That may sound as a funny comparison, but it's actually more true than you may think.
What the Battle cue and Mars, The Bringer of War have in common are those chords moving up and down, and perhaps the underlaying story theme (being a Roman war). Those chords are the strawberry here. If the Holsts think that up/down-moving chords are exclusive to them, then they're wrong.

Morally speaking, one may think and say that Gladiator and Mars have a few things in common, but that's where it ends. And FYI, the first time I heard Gladiator I also was like 'mm, a bit like Mars'. And I could mention another composer where I "mm"'ed a bit more often, names are not required :P, but I do wonder how many lawsuits he's gotten by now.

But would you dare to say that all the -say- country music, rap music, pop music etc. is all-unique and doesn't sound like one other? Or yet better, there are dozens of sound-a-like library CDs available for the media industry. You need a sound-a-like of a certain famous movie? It's there. You don't hear about lawsuits for those tracks, won't you?

Legally, the Holsts shouldn't have any base for a trial, and I rather think they're after the $uccess of Gladiator. Maybe 2,3 or 4 consecutive chords may match here and there -but only note wise-, it wouldn't be enough for real plagiarism.


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Alans Zimvestri
Re: The Holsts are wrong.   Sunday, April 12, 2009 (4:12 p.m.) 
• Now Playing: Gladiator - The Battle  

Absolutely right, and moreover Planet Mars is in 5/4 while The Battle is in 3/4 , which's completely different rhythm. It sounds also more modern because of Zimmer trademark.

In my opinon, Alan Silvestri and john williams have gone way beyond, Zimmer, in copying holst mars. And actually NOBODY complained about that.

I think Gladiator impact on the soundtrack world is so high that it must have some detractors. It has always been li;e this in history of art.
Lot of people hate picasso, lot of people love mozart and others hate him.
I think it means Gladiator soundtrack has his place in history of film scores.

A few things that Gladiator invented / re-invented :

-the use of duduk in film score. Count how many film scores used the duduk after.
- the use of an ethnic voice
- Gladiator re-invented the "Hans zimmer action sound" , these staccato rhythms , overlaid with brass staccatos, and big choirs. That was something I had never heard before Gladiator ! And now count how many tv series , tv show are trying to copy this ?

Nomatter what the guardian of Good taste in soundtracks ( = clemmensen ) think , Gladiator is a freakin amazing score. It was the first time a peplum movie had a score like this. The idea of that hispanic feeling all over the score, mixed with big action part , ethereal cues with the help of lisa gerrard voice. This modern symphonic sound, The duduk ... wow the first time I heard this , I was literally in amazement.

Thank you Hans !



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Re: The Holsts are wrong.   Tuesday, July 28, 2009 (8:13 p.m.) 
• Now Playing: The Battle  

> - Gladiator re-invented the "Hans zimmer action sound" , these
> staccato rhythms , overlaid with brass staccatos, and big choirs. That was
> something I had never heard before Gladiator ! And now count how many tv
> series , tv show are trying to copy this ?

You really haven't heard staccato brass and big choir before Gladiator? Odd. Hans Zimmer has been doing that since Backdraft, a decade before Gladiator.

And by the way, where does Alan Silvestri rip off Holst? Just out of curiosity.


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