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Only negative review I have found

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Only negative review I have found   Friday, August 6, 2010 (6:49 a.m.) 

While I have found many reviews of this soundtrack that would range from marginally positive to very positive this is the only review I have found that is clearly negative.

So please stop with these dismissive statements that suggest that everyone thinks this soundtrack is below average. As far as I can tell at this point in time this reviewer is in the minority.


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Re: Only negative review I have found   Tuesday, August 10, 2010 (11:07 a.m.) 

> As far as I can tell at this
> point in time this reviewer is in the minority.

As is the intelligent part of the population.



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Re: Only negative review I have found   Tuesday, August 10, 2010 (3:11 p.m.) 

> As is the intelligent part of the population.

Not to mention the review isn't negative. It rates the score 3/3. It means "good" in filmtracks.com.

How is that negative? I've been reading this site for over 11 years and only 2/1 rated scores are negative imho. 3/5 has been positive with flaws.


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Re: Only negative review I have found   Tuesday, August 10, 2010 (10:09 p.m.) 

> Not to mention the review isn't negative. It rates the score 3/3. It means
> "good" in filmtracks.com.

> How is that negative? I've been reading this site for over 11 years and
> only 2/1 rated scores are negative imho. 3/5 has been positive with flaws.

Seriously dude check the score his overall grade is 2/5 which is below average and is a negative review.

Also this review reads considerably worse than a 2 star score; you would think it was 1 star or no stars and there is barely a positive comment about it from the reviewer.


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Re: Only negative review I have found   Wednesday, August 11, 2010 (1:03 a.m.) 

> Seriously dude check the score his overall grade is 2/5 which is below
> average and is a negative review.

> Also this review reads considerably worse than a 2 star score; you would
> think it was 1 star or no stars and there is barely a positive comment
> about it from the reviewer.

Forget the overall rating. Check only music written for film rating since the overall is the average of album representation and the score. I don't care for album representation to judge a quality of a score. And yes, Inception album doesn't contain some key music from the film.

And yeah some 3 star reviews are more positive than this one but what matters is the rating. The review being negative is just because one would expect more from Zimmer in such a setting. A positive 3 star review would be for a film that couldn't have included a score better than the available one.



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Re: Only negative review I have found   Tuesday, August 10, 2010 (10:05 p.m.) 

> As is the intelligent part of the population.

Exactly the kind of arrogant one-line dismissal of other opinions that makes so many filmtracks posters come across as snobs. If you think you are more intelligent than other readers and also more knowledgable than 5 IFMCA members who have given this soundtrack a positive final score then good for you (I know that you do think you're more intelligent so don't bother confirming it for me).



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Re: Only negative review I have found   Saturday, August 14, 2010 (6:53 p.m.) 

> Exactly the kind of arrogant one-line dismissal of other opinions that
> makes so many filmtracks posters come across as snobs. If you think you
> are more intelligent than other readers and also more knowledgable than 5
> IFMCA members who have given this soundtrack a positive final score then
> good for you (I know that you do think you're more intelligent so don't
> bother confirming it for me).

Good you added the last sentence, since that spares me some work. Do you mean the kind of arrogant one-line dismissal like the original poster put on display? Just clarifying ...

I never said I'm more "intelligent" than others. I guess that's your hurt ego remembering your brain's interpretation of my comments.

I said that people listening to film music only occasionally are more easily impressable than people who listen to film music often; and that some people have an inborn, deeper musical understanding, and need more complex music to be fully satisfied, whereas others don't have musical sensibilities and are fully satisfied by music like Inception.

The world is full of dullards that have no understanding, not a faint one, what craftsmanship or art is, but that doesn't keep them from showcasing ignorance and arrogance towards it; so it's our good right to show some arrogance in return.

That is neither snobbish nor derogatory, it's simple fact. Deal with it.

I have no problem when people love this score. What I do have a problem with is people saying this IS a great score.
Because it is not. It's triste, repetitious, mundane, monotone, and the comments of the composer around it border on the idiotic.

Some people do give this thing a positive final score because it's not a bad score. It's not a bad score because it is a blatant, even less entertaining copy of scores that worked.

It depends on which standard you apply.
Is it memorability, intelligence or skill? Then Inception is not even close to meeting them.
Is it entertainment and functionality? Then Inception succeeds. But then, every score more or less does, unless you have another "Spontaneous Human Combustion" in front of you.

Of course, not too long ago, it went without saying that a score should be of some intelligence and musical skill, no matter how purely entertaining or functional it was supposed to be.

But you shouldn't expect that from a man who says that film music is more shallow than "real" music.
And you shouldn't pretend that his music is not just that nowadays: shallow.



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Re: Only negative review I have found   Saturday, August 14, 2010 (11:27 p.m.) 

I can't believe you would try to pretend that you weren't saying that you are more intelligent than others in your first post or your later posts. That is ridiculous.

My initial post was not so much about the merits of the Inception score, I was expressing my frustration at the "dismissive statements" that people such as yourself make and sure enough you chimed in with another statement that provided a perfect example of what I was talking about.

You mentioned that you have no problem when people love this score, well, similarly I have no problem when people hate it. What I have a problem with is when people make arrogant and dismissive statements as if they're opinion is the only intelligent one. I feel that with inception this is a major problem at Filmtracks because this negative sentiment is buoyed by the rather scathing review by the editor of this site. The intention of my post was to show that other experienced film music listeners (I won't say more experienced than you because I am unsure of your history with scores - I'm sure it's immense but i'd assume your not a member of the IFMCA) have been impressed with the score. I also intended to link these positive reviews but decided it would be unfair to the editor/reviewer of this site, although I would happily do it if asked.

I am not pretending this score is great. Personally I'd give it 3.5/5 on album and 4/5 in the film, which is probably towards the more positive end of the spectrum of opinions (disregarding the many filmgoers who seemed to love it but probably haven't listened to it on album). Like I said, my initial post was not about the merits of the Inception score as much as it was about my frustration with the arrogant presentation of opinions as fact (I didn't actually state my opinion of the score - I could have hated it for all you knew at the time).

Hope thats clarified a few things and I hope you can understand that given what this thread is actually about it was quite annoying (yet sort of funny) to read your initial response which was a prime example of what I was talking about.


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Re: Only negative review I have found   Friday, December 10, 2010 (6:20 a.m.) 

This score is trash.

how can anyone say that the same 4 chords, over and over again is "a great score"?

Zimmer is LAUGHING at the audience! He's treating you all like idiots. And you are lapping it up, accepting his trite, superficial, hack-work, garbage, and calling it "great" BECAUSE Zimmer himself told you it was great!!

The man is hack. He has always been a hack, and always will be a hack. This score is ample proof of that.


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