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To The Haters (Webmaster Included)

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To The Haters (Webmaster Included)   Tuesday, July 27, 2010 (3:38 p.m.) 
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Hey Zimmer fanboy   Tuesday, July 27, 2010 (5:40 p.m.) 

Three problems with your post...

1: The person at this site you want to get the attention of is the editor, not a webmaster.

2: Neither the editor nor most of the visitors to this site "hate" Zimmer. It's not like they sit around wanting him and his family to get ill. Filmtracks gave the score in context a 3 star rating, hardly showing "hate" for Zimmer or his score.

3: What you linked to is proof of what happens in scores all the time. Their speed of playback is manipulated to match source music and screen action. It doesn't make anything revolutionary, clever, or even intentionally intelligent.

Inception is still a boring score and outside of the Zimmer apologists who call him the second coming of Christ, everyone else in the majority thinks its fine but nothing special.



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Re: Hey Zimmer fanboy   Wednesday, July 28, 2010 (6:30 a.m.) 

> Three problems with your post...

> 1: The person at this site you want to get the attention of is the editor,
> not a webmaster.

> 2: Neither the editor nor most of the visitors to this site
> "hate" Zimmer. It's not like they sit around wanting him and his
> family to get ill. Filmtracks gave the score in context a 3 star rating,
> hardly showing "hate" for Zimmer or his score.

> 3: What you linked to is proof of what happens in scores all the time.
> Their speed of playback is manipulated to match source music and screen
> action. It doesn't make anything revolutionary, clever, or even
> intentionally intelligent.

> Inception is still a boring score and outside of the Zimmer apologists who
> call him the second coming of Christ, everyone else in the majority thinks
> its fine but nothing special.

Don't be so harsh no reason to call him a fanboy, any time anyone defends Zimmer they get called a fanboy. I also think your summary is incorrect as this is the only music review site I visit that has given inception a below average review. Between the other positive soundtrack reviews, the hordes of Zimmer fan(boy)s and the inordinate number of film reviewers raving about the quality and impact of Zimmer's music in the film, I think it is extremely incorrect to say "everyone else in the majority thinks its fine but nothing special."

Oh and it was in my opinion very clever to use/manipulate an important source song to create a powerful main title cue that everyone would recognise and connect with the film.

A lot of people on this site like to act as if they are really clever by agreeing with the editor's opinions about Zimmer and feel as though they sound intelligent by dismissing Zimmer fans with poor one-liners and opinions represented as 'matter-of-fact' (admittedly many of them are obnoxious fanboys deserving no consideration). I'm not saying you have done this and I do respect your opinion, it just happens a lot and it is frustrating to see some people being so arrogant toward others.

Peace my friend.



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Re: Hey Zimmer fanboy   Wednesday, August 4, 2010 (7:45 a.m.) 

> Don't be so harsh no reason to call him a fanboy, any time anyone defends
> Zimmer they get called a fanboy. I also think your summary is incorrect as
> this is the only music review site I visit that has given inception a
> below average review. Between the other positive soundtrack reviews, the
> hordes of Zimmer fan(boy)s and the inordinate number of film reviewers
> raving about the quality and impact of Zimmer's music in the film, I think
> it is extremely incorrect to say "everyone else in the majority
> thinks its fine but nothing special."

> Oh and it was in my opinion very clever to use/manipulate an important
> source song to create a powerful main title cue that everyone would
> recognise and connect with the film.

> A lot of people on this site like to act as if they are really clever by
> agreeing with the editor's opinions about Zimmer and feel as though they
> sound intelligent by dismissing Zimmer fans with poor one-liners and
> opinions represented as 'matter-of-fact' (admittedly many of them are
> obnoxious fanboys deserving no consideration). I'm not saying you have
> done this and I do respect your opinion, it just happens a lot and it is
> frustrating to see some people being so arrogant toward others.

> Peace my friend.

Christian hasn't rated the score below average. He has rated it average, which s 3/5. First of all look at the rating before you post. A 3/5 is not something bad in this review site, everyone knows that. There are a lot of 3/5 ratings for quite good scores here. And 3/5 means "good" in Christian's words.

And Inception score does not deserve anything more than that for sure. It's functional, it works within the scenes, but isn't anything special neither among Zimmer scores nor film scores in general.

I think it's a fair rating.


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Re: Hey Zimmer fanboy   Wednesday, August 4, 2010 (11:18 a.m.) 

> Christian hasn't rated the score below average. He has rated it average,
> which s 3/5. First of all look at the rating before you post. A 3/5 is not
> something bad in this review site, everyone knows that. There are a lot of
> 3/5 ratings for quite good scores here. And 3/5 means "good" in
> Christian's words.

> And Inception score does not deserve anything more than that for sure.
> It's functional, it works within the scenes, but isn't anything special
> neither among Zimmer scores nor film scores in general.

> I think it's a fair rating.

And yet, how the review is written is completely in contrast to what he actually gave it in the end... your also tiptoing that he really ended up giving it a 2 overall despite it being an effective 3 in film and how the review reads, you'd think it was the worst score Zimmer has ever written in his entire career, that he has put no effort into it at all, and is completely devoid of any imagination. No, in my opinion if you see my other post Christian has lost his objectivity here. I'm not saying that the rating is not correct, Christian has not conducted himself well on this one though.


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Re: Hey Zimmer fanboy   Monday, August 16, 2010 (1:11 p.m.) 

> And yet, how the review is written is completely in contrast to what he
> actually gave it in the end... your also tiptoing that he really ended up
> giving it a 2 overall despite it being an effective 3 in film and how the
> review reads, you'd think it was the worst score Zimmer has ever written
> in his entire career, that he has put no effort into it at all, and is
> completely devoid of any imagination. No, in my opinion if you see my
> other post Christian has lost his objectivity here. I'm not saying that
> the rating is not correct, Christian has not conducted himself well on
> this one though.

I agree that the review doesn't agree with the rating and I think 2/5 is ok for album release, but not overall. For me the most interesting stuff from the film is missing on the album so I'd rate the album 2/5 as well. But other than the review being a bit harsh, I think it only shows that Christian is expecting a lot from Zimmer, like many do (I really don't these days) is gets pissed every time Zimmer pulls another Zimmer. The review wouldn't be too harsh if it was composed by some unknown composer for sure. But it's a bit like that in a lot of review boards on different types of music. The review always will depend on the composers past work and expectations.



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Re: Hey Zimmer fanboy   Friday, August 6, 2010 (5:38 a.m.) 

> Christian hasn't rated the score below average. He has rated it average,
> which s 3/5. First of all look at the rating before you post. A 3/5 is not
> something bad in this review site, everyone knows that. There are a lot of
> 3/5 ratings for quite good scores here. And 3/5 means "good" in
> Christian's words.

> And Inception score does not deserve anything more than that for sure.
> It's functional, it works within the scenes, but isn't anything special
> neither among Zimmer scores nor film scores in general.

> I think it's a fair rating.

Not sure what review you're reading but he gave it a 2/5 which is obviously below average so I didn't need to be corrected on that fact. Whether it deserves more than that or not is really not my point. My point is that opinions on this score really are not as one-sided as people on this website think. It is being dismissed as a score that 'everyone thinks is below average' which is at polar opposites to the truth. Movie reviewers and mainstream movie-goers have been very positive the music, as have several other soundtrack reviewers.

Also, as others have mentioned, this review is very poor. Not only has Christian completely missed several key aspects of the score he has also completely lost objectivity. It is less like an "inception soundtrack review" and more like an essay entitled "why I don't like Hans Zimmer and his music"


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Re: Hey Zimmer fanboy   Wednesday, July 28, 2010 (1:52 p.m.) 

Tell us how you really feel.

> Three problems with your post...

> 1: The person at this site you want to get the attention of is the editor,
> not a webmaster.

Forgive me. I should have said "the guy who writes the reviews." Clearly I am but a poor, ignorant peasant among kings such as yourself.

> 2: Neither the editor nor most of the visitors to this site
> "hate" Zimmer. It's not like they sit around wanting him and his
> family to get ill. Filmtracks gave the score in context a 3 star rating,
> hardly showing "hate" for Zimmer or his score.

The term "haters" has become something of a figure of speech in this year of our lord, 2010. You see, when people use the term "haters" they don't mean it literally. The word itself can be swapped for "naysayers" or "those ruining your fun." I'm rather impressed at your leap of logic, and know now not to use idiomatic expressions, slang, or any variation thereof. You are a literal-minded person, and I respect that. But then your subject title confuses me, as I am a girl, and so "fanboy" does not apply. I wonder how you missed that. A hasty assumption, most likely, similar to the "sit around and wish his family ill" comment.

> 3: What you linked to is proof of what happens in scores all the time.
> Their speed of playback is manipulated to match source music and screen
> action. It doesn't make anything revolutionary, clever, or even
> intentionally intelligent.

This is a very fascinating claim you make. Do you mean to say that scores take source material and manipulate the playback of it and use that altered sound as the jumping off point for their entire composition? Not only that - but the mere slowing down of the source material is relevant to the film, as time itself plays a key role in the film? This happens "all the time?" What such other composers have used this technique, and for which films? There must be piles of scores that do this, for you to claim it happens all the time. I said nothing in my original post, I hoped the link would speak for itself - to suggest that maybe it's not as simple as the editor (thanks for the tip!) claims it is. That, although the editor is clearly sick of Zimmer (I personally stopped coming to this page years ago after realizing the buy it/avoid it sections were so utterly skewed to his own opinions and made me feel bad if I disagreed), perhaps there is more to Inception than just lazily throwing a pair of notes together and calling it a day.

> Inception is still a boring score and outside of the Zimmer apologists who
> call him the second coming of Christ, everyone else in the majority thinks
> its fine but nothing special.

Second coming of Christ seems a bit of a stretch - do people really say that? Who's said that? Ah - I think perhaps you've caught on to this figure of speech thing. Well done, king of kings. I'm assuming you must be royalty of some sort so speak for "everyone else in the majority." I have read many reviews of the score, all positive. It was the magnitude of praise the film and score received that brought me back to this site, knowing it would get bashed. I see things still haven't changed around here. Clearly, your highness, you do not have the pulse of the majority you once had.



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