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Raptor Theme

Sean Raduechel
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Raptor Theme   Friday, December 7, 2001 (9:04 a.m.) 

Not to be critical of one of my most favortite all time scores, but this is something which I feel needs to be brought up. If you were to add one high note to the raptor theme and take away its somewhat eerie quality, you would get the main theme to Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

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tim
Re: Raptor Theme   Friday, May 9, 2003 (5:42 a.m.) 

Yeah.
And someone, in the Jurassic Park trivia section of the imdb.com posted the same information.
Personnaly, i think is coincidence.

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Ken Applegate
Re: Raptor Theme   Thursday, May 22, 2003 (9:38 p.m.) 

> Yeah.
And someone, in the Jurassic Park trivia section of the imdb.com
> posted the same information.
Personnaly, i think is coincidence.

You're right. Both themes are exactly identical (Raptor and Close Encounters), with the following exceptions: Close Encounters uses five notes in this order A, B, G, G (8vb), D. And raptor uses these notes (from the shakuhachi in prologue) E, F, C#, G. Close Encounters is within a major key and raptor theme is more based on the symmetric-diminished scale. Close encounters starts most often on the beat while raptor theme tends to start (in a 4/4 measure) on beat two. In fact, most intelligent people would disagree with your logic, citing the krypton theme instead (track 2 on superman soundtrack) as having more in common with close encounters theme. In fact they have the SAME GODDAMN NOTES! I wish I could disagree with the two of you, but it seems you've both obviously studied Jurassic and Encounters in microscopic detail!!!

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Timothy Rodier
Re: Raptor Theme   Sunday, July 11, 2004 (1:38 p.m.) 

Is it possible that that microscopic study has just revealed a nuance that John Williams uses often?? I, personally, don't thing that he would use a 30-year-old film with such a recognizable theme and just alter the mode on purpose. Did he do it?? Your research seems to suggest so. But I agree that it should be regarded as coincidence until John comes out and says that Close Encounters was the inspiration behind the Raptor theme.

It is pretty awesome to see somebody paying that much attention to detail.

Take care,

Ken Applegate

And someone, in the Jurassic Park trivia section of the imdb.com
>
Personnaly, i think is coincidence.

> You're right. Both themes are exactly identical (Raptor and Close
> Encounters), with the following exceptions: Close Encounters uses five
> notes in this order A, B, G, G (8vb), D. And raptor uses these notes (from
> the shakuhachi in prologue) E, F, C#, G. Close Encounters is within a
> major key and raptor theme is more based on the symmetric-diminished
> scale. Close encounters starts most often on the beat while raptor theme
> tends to start (in a 4/4 measure) on beat two. In fact, most intelligent
> people would disagree with your logic, citing the krypton theme instead
> (track 2 on superman soundtrack) as having more in common with close
> encounters theme. In fact they have the SAME GODDAMN NOTES! I wish I could
> disagree with the two of you, but it seems you've both obviously studied
> Jurassic and Encounters in microscopic detail!!!


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Timothy Rodier
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Ken Applegate
Re: Raptor Theme   Friday, July 28, 2006 (8:28 p.m.) 

"Is it possible that that microscopic study has just revealed a nuance that John Williams uses often?? I, personally, don't thing that he would use a
30-year-old film with such a recognizable theme and just alter the mode on
purpose. Did he do it?? Your research seems to suggest so. But I agree
that it should be regarded as coincidence until John comes out and says
that Close Encounters was the inspiration behind the Raptor theme.

It is pretty awesome to see somebody paying that much attention to detail.

Take care,

Ken Applegate"

After looking at what I wrote some two years ago, and reading it's response, I agree with Ken, the similarity between the raptor theme and close encounters theme is merely speculative similarity, I would even go so far as to say there is no similarity. Williams uses very familiar motifs when composing themes (perfect fifth, minor third,"bad guy" minor sixth), but these are merely colors in a very extensive palette. Should we say that an early Rembrandt piece resembles a later one merely because he uses the same color?



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