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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!
• Posted by: "Other"
• Date: Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 12:12 a.m.
• IP Address: cache-db03.proxy.aol.com
• In Response to: Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, n... (Kristen)

> Where to begin...I didn't even bother reading all of the responses to this
> very uneducated post, so many of my points have probably already been
> mentioned. But, being me, I just have to throw my two cents in. Even
> though the post was posted over a year ago. *shrugs*

> First of all, if you disliked the movie so much, why did you sniff around
> on the internet and find a site with a review of the soundtrack, for
> crying out loud, to post your opinion. You know what they say about love
> and hate being very similar.

> Essay here>>

> Yes, it did cost a ton of money to make the movie (all three for that
> matter.) Balrogs don't come cheap, you know. There are knights in
> Middle-earth, but they're not in FotR at all. Yeah, they have shields, but
> did you see any crests? Coats of arms? Full suits of armor? Destriers?
> Didn't think so.

> And what "wierd" dark color? A lot of the scenes are at night.
> Middle-earth isn't so different from our own world that the sun is shining
> in the daytime. What do you suggest, installing street lamps in Moria?
> It's a big-arse mine/cave system under a mountain! Of course it's going to
> be dark. I never saw any "weird" colors in Monty Python, the
> Quest for the Holy Grail, but that's got a lot more knights (that
> say "ni") than FotR. Please stop making stupid generalizations.

> Yeah, 3 hours = quick? No comment.

> Actual action...well, aren't we such a sucker for battle, yet such a
> devout follower of Christ? *cough* Yeah, there's a lot of shots of
> the Ring. Not as many as of Frodo, or Gandalf, or Aragorn, but the Ring
> plays an important part. You're supposed to be able to see the
> control it has over people, and Frodo's struggle with resisting it. And
> what is "a bunch of nonsense" supposed to mean? Would you rather
> have no exposition (and obviously, since you haven't read the books) and
> sit through a three-hour movie not knowing what the hell is going on?
> There's a reason for all the conversation (after all, FotR is the first in
> the series and they do need to set the plot up) and they worked very
> meticulously on the script.

> How does fighting the forces of evil disgrace Jesus? Isn't that what he
> did? Hate to break it to you, but J.R.R. Tolkien was a very Godly man
> (I've even recieved book called "Finding God in Lord of the
> Rings" that's full of Biblical messages and parallels found in LotR)
> and although he disliked the use of allegory writing, there's absolutely
> no way you can say that LotR is pagan, or satanistic. It's been positively
> brought up by my pastor in church multiple times.

> *laughs* Oh really? I'm sure you could. It's not like Peter Jackson
> (you know, the director?) and Co. didn't have to edit anything out of the
> books. There are characters missing, things had to be cut out. There's an
> extended version DVD with 30 minutes of edited scenes out, even. And
> Tolkien purists were already on their tails for that. Scary that at first
> New Line wanted to make it a two hour movie. So, no. There is no
> way you can cut out one more hour of the movie. It just doesn't work that
> way. Perhaps if you paid closer attention (or, you know, read the books)
> that might have been a little more obvious.

> The wizard is Gandalf. They only said his name fifty times. *rolls
> eyes* Somebody's got a short attention span. You should stick to half hour
> sitcoms, it seems. May I suggest Everybody Loves Raymond?

> Braveheart and FotR are a lot different. Different ratings, FotR is
> complete fiction, Braveheart isn't, it goes on. The objective of the
> killing of the Troll (and most of the battle scenes in general) were not
> to kill for the sake of killing. There is no warmongering on the side of
> the "good guys." Their battles were not taken lightly by the
> Fellowship. I have quotes from Peter Jackson, the crew, the cast, etc
> saying that they especially wanted to convey that they were not joyous
> victories; it was life or death and every moment their lives were in
> peril. They wouldn't have killed the troll, goblins, orcs or Uruk-Hai at
> all if there had been any other options.

> All that aside, for all your "Lord of the Rings is evil, it puts down
> the teachings of Christ" talk, you seem especially disappointed that
> the battles are not...bloodier? Longer? More in quantity? *cough* I'm sure
> you'd even complain about Helm's Deep.

> Gandalf! His name is Gandalf! Say it with
> me...Gan...dalf...Gan...dalf... *sighs* Gandalf is an Istari, along with
> Saruman and Radagast (who isn't in the movie), and he is also a Maia. He
> is an immortal being sent to Middle-earth to aid the peoples in their
> struggle against evil. He isn't supposed to use his powers to directly
> fight evil. If you want more of that, may I suggest Harry Potter? It's
> really getting pathetically obvious that you haven't read the books, much
> less knew that they existed, or that FotR was based on them.

> FYI, the "mountain" is Caradhras. Little bit of useless info.

> Orcs are not bred to main and destory. Uruk-hai- with the white hand of
> Sarumon on their armor- are. (Sorry, getting a little overly-nitpicky
> here, but hey. I'm having fun.) And the hobbits don't actually do all that
> much fighting in the movie; they hack at the troll a bit, Sam gets a few
> goblins with his frying pan, but they are pretty admittedly useless
> against the Orcs. In the book they fight a bit more, and it's not like
> they only practiced that one time. They cover long time periods. It's
> days, weeks from Bree to Rivendell, for example. They aren't going to
> include every little happening or conversation along the way.

> And the ending's supposed to be like that. For crying out loud, the book
> endings are like that! Last line of The Two Towers? "Frodo was
> captured by the enemy!" Thats it. Boromir doesn't even really die
> until the very beginning of the next book, so the beginnings (of TTT and
> RotK) are generally like that too.

> Yeah, it's fiction, buddy. Fiction. As in, not real. As in, made up. Would
> you like me to write it in another language? Perhaps I should call up ol'
> P. Jackson and request a disclaimer before the movie starts, saying that
> it isn't real, and that they don't expect people to act like it is. We
> aren't supporting Tolkienism here. We aren't substituting Lord of the
> Rings for the Bible. Who says they fight evil the wrong way? The
> Fellowship does a very fine job of it in my opinion, especially given the
> final results. I can't wait to find your review of the Two Towers...

> Oh dear, that was an essay, wasn't it?

VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY...(need I go on??) much agreed! I think that you and I would get along very well, thank you. Read my post, it's not quite as long or harsh but heck! It's not my fault I was so mad I couldn't think. Your post was like reading my mind! It's amazeing *shouts* ! Ahhh, I can't believe this, you were totally honest with this Hipocrit. Wow... I wish I could talk like that, oh wait I can... lol. Here's my image of this guy: . This is him after we get threw with him: . You like?? Well, gotta go now, bye! P.S I love Frodo! And Elijah Wood... may I add that you should make a new fan site?? lol




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