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Is Howard Shore Overrated?

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Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Sunday, March 5, 2006 (4:23 p.m.) 

Okay, the 'Lord of the Rings' score is great, but I don't think Shore will ever compose anything else like it. I think he just got lucky with this one! He's no Horner or Williams, that's for sure. He's not even as good as Danny Elfman.

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Re: Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Friday, March 10, 2006 (5:53 a.m.) 

> Okay, the 'Lord of the Rings' score is great, but I don't think Shore will
> ever compose anything else like it. I think he just got lucky with this
> one! He's no Horner or Williams, that's for sure. He's not even as good as
> Danny Elfman.

I have to strongly disagree with you about Howard Shore being overrated. I think one the reasons people still have a problem taken him seriously is the fact he came from no where on to the music scene with the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and took pretty took all of us by surprise. As for whether he will last to become a Williams, Horner, or Elfmen I do think he will hold up over time, maybe not to John Williams level (and at this point its probably futile to think that anyone will ever surpass, let only match Williams level of musical accomplishment) but he will be right up there with the best of them. I will say that I though his score in 2005 to David Cronenberg A History of Violence was one of the best of the year (pity it was overlooked by the Academy in favor of Pride and Prejudice, The Constant Gardener, and BrokeBack Mountain all competent but lesser scores of the truly great scores of 2005), and I would have loved to hear what he did with Peter Jackson King Kong (though I was very happy with what James Newton Howard with the score coming off a great year for him with both an excellent King Kong score, and the highly under rated Batman Begins collaboration with Hans Zimmer which was one of the most hauntingly beautiful Scores of 2005, side note the reason Batman Begins Score is so underrated is people instead on comparing it to Danny Elfmen 1989 Batman score which is simply one of the best scores ever written to this date, but the two scores take such different paths that any comparison between the two misses the point of what the composers were going for).

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Re: Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Friday, March 10, 2006 (5:13 p.m.) 

The point here is that he didn't just "burst" onto the musical scene. Howard has been here for a fair bit, and hasn't shown anything that remarkable. As good as LOTR is, i have to agree with the statements that he won't be doing anything else to this level...Sad, but it's only bolstered by the fact of what happened with King Kong.

> I have to strongly disagree with you about Howard Shore being overrated. I
> think one the reasons people still have a problem taken him seriously is
> the fact he came from no where on to the music scene with the Lord of the
> Rings Trilogy and took pretty took all of us by surprise. As for whether
> he will last to become a Williams, Horner, or Elfmen I do think he will
> hold up over time, maybe not to John Williams level (and at this point its
> probably futile to think that anyone will ever surpass, let only match
> Williams level of musical accomplishment) but he will be right up there
> with the best of them. I will say that I though his score in 2005 to David
> Cronenberg A History of Violence was one of the best of the year (pity it
> was overlooked by the Academy in favor of Pride and Prejudice, The
> Constant Gardener, and BrokeBack Mountain all competent but lesser scores
> of the truly great scores of 2005), and I would have loved to hear what he
> did with Peter Jackson King Kong (though I was very happy with what James
> Newton Howard with the score coming off a great year for him with both an
> excellent King Kong score, and the highly under rated Batman Begins
> collaboration with Hans Zimmer which was one of the most hauntingly
> beautiful Scores of 2005, side note the reason Batman Begins Score is so
> underrated is people instead on comparing it to Danny Elfmen 1989 Batman
> score which is simply one of the best scores ever written to this date,
> but the two scores take such different paths that any comparison between
> the two misses the point of what the composers were going for).


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Re: Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Saturday, March 11, 2006 (11:48 a.m.) 

Once again I must respectfully disagree with you. While it is true Howard Shore had been working for film industry for a while going back to the 1980s and had not been noted or even notice by the main stream Film Music community. But consider for a moment that it took John Williams over a decade to be recognize for his work with his adaptation of Fielder on the Roof in 1971 (he started written film music 1959), and another four years after that to be finally recognized for an original Score with Jaws in 1975. When I said he came from no where on the music scene I meant preciously that; not that he had not done any work in the film score area. Lets face it in 2001 when the composer was named for the Lord of the Rings the reaction for the most part was “Howard who??” But Shore defied our skepticism at his ability and wrote the greatest musical accomplishment in film Music since John Williams Original Star Wars Trilogy. Shore appearance on the music scene was much along the lines of that of Danny Elfmen appearance on the music scene with Batman (1989), Edward Scissorhands (1990), and Batman Returns (1992). As for King Kong 2005, I view it much along the lines of Troy in 2004 with Gabriel Yard, and James Horner (who in this writer opinion is the most overrated composer currently working in Hollywood), just because there was split between the director and the composer doesn’t mean the composer was doing poor work (in the case of Troy Gabriel Yard had in fact wrote the superior Score and we were stuck with Horner repetitive and incompetent score), and if my sources are correct the split between Jackson and Shore happen because Shore wanted to go for something more similar to Max Steiner’s score in the original King Kong (1933) and Jackson wanted something that was more different from that style. That being said what we got with James Newton Howard Score was excellent and a worthy of the Film it accompanied.

> The point here is that he didn't just "burst" onto the musical
> scene. Howard has been here for a fair bit, and hasn't shown anything that
> remarkable. As good as LOTR is, i have to agree with the statements that
> he won't be doing anything else to this level...Sad, but it's only
> bolstered by the fact of what happened with King Kong.


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Re: Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Sunday, March 4, 2007 (8:08 p.m.) 

> The point here is that he didn't just "burst" onto the musical
> scene. Howard has been here for a fair bit, and hasn't shown anything that
> remarkable. As good as LOTR is, i have to agree with the statements that
> he won't be doing anything else to this level...Sad, but it's only
> bolstered by the fact of what happened with King Kong.

The King Kong thing was Pete Jackson's decision. But of course Shore won't produce something up to the level of the Lord of the Rings, or at least do it with every single score, because there is only ONE Lord of the Rings. I don't know if Shore will ever get a chance to work with such an in-depth and epic film. I mean, come on! There's a big difference between an 11-hour super trilogy and some two hour film that barely anyone cares about. Shore produced THE greatest trilogy of movie scores since the original Star Wars. They might even be better. It's tough to ask Shore to consistently make every score as good as that. I mean, is every John Williams score an Empire Strikes Back? No! So give Shore a break, and ENJOY THE MUSIC.

And no, Shore isn't overrated, I mean, come on: How many people other than film score collectors knew his name before the Lord of the Rings?



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Re: Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Friday, May 11, 2007 (10:09 p.m.) 

> The King Kong thing was Pete Jackson's decision. But of course Shore won't
> produce something up to the level of the Lord of the Rings, or at least do
> it with every single score, because there is only ONE Lord of the Rings. I
> don't know if Shore will ever get a chance to work with such an in-depth
> and epic film. I mean, come on! There's a big difference between an
> 11-hour super trilogy and some two hour film that barely anyone cares
> about. Shore produced THE greatest trilogy of movie scores since the
> original Star Wars. They might even be better. It's tough to ask Shore to
> consistently make every score as good as that. I mean, is every John
> Williams score an Empire Strikes Back? No! So give Shore a break, and
> ENJOY THE MUSIC.

> And no, Shore isn't overrated, I mean, come on: How many people other than
> film score collectors knew his name before the Lord of the Rings?

As I have already mentioned, I believe that these scores are overrated because they lack originality. Shore is an accomplished musician and skilled orchestrator, but thematically the score is very derivative. All he did was steal other people's melodies and change them. The main theme is only James Horner's "Titanic" chopped up and rearranged - it's quite incredible that nobody seems to realize this. Apart from that theft there was liberal borrowing from Gustav Holst's "Venus" + listen to the music of "Fangorn Forest" from "The Two Towers" and it actually contains the music from the opening title sequence in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"!!!


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Re: Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Wednesday, February 14, 2007 (8:19 p.m.) 

> Okay, the 'Lord of the Rings' score is great, but I don't think Shore will
> ever compose anything else like it. I think he just got lucky with this
> one! He's no Horner or Williams, that's for sure. He's not even as good as
> Danny Elfman.

Howard Shore is indeed very overrated and is a thief to boot!! His music is, by and large, bland and uninspiring. When a piece of music by Shore is any good it is usually stolen from the work of another composer, and this includes much of the material in Lord of the Rings. Also, I would add that one of the few other Shore scores that I considered at all striking was "Ed Wood"(1994.) However,when I watched the film again recently,I was dismayed to hear the tune from Tchaikovsky's "Swan Lake" in some of the Bela Lugosi scenes. Maybe this was a later interpolation at the director's request?? Whatever the case, that music was written by Tchaikovsky and is UNCREDITED in the movie. Yesterday, I was listening to Mahler's first symphony and heared a four-note motif in the fourth movement which is EXACTLY IDENTICAL to that heard at the beginning of "Ed Wood". Additionally, the theme from "The Aviator" is lifted note-for-note from a piece of music by Mussorgsky, but I heared this on the radio and can't remember what the specific piece was ( it may have been from "Pictures at an Exhibition", but I'm not that sure so if anyone knows of this it would be interesting to hear.) The only difference was that in the Mussorgsky the music was calm and quiet, but it was still the exact same piece.


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Re: Is Howard Shore Overrated?   Thursday, May 24, 2007 (12:23 p.m.) 
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> Okay, the 'Lord of the Rings' score is great, but I don't think Shore will
> ever compose anything else like it. I think he just got lucky with this
> one! He's no Horner or Williams, that's for sure. He's not even as good as
> Danny Elfman.

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