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Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!

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Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Friday, November 8, 2002 (10:48 a.m.) 

I was really looking forward to spending an afternoon hopefully enjoying this movie. I had heard it was great! If I had it to do over again I would have saved my money. This movie obviously took a lot of work and I'm sure cost a ton of money but that doesn't always mean it is going to be any good. For one thing I don't know why whenever someone does a movie with knights and wizards that they feel they have to make the movie in that wierd "dark" color. I felt like I wanted to constantly adjust my color controls. A quick 3 hours? Hardly! There is about 30 minutes of actual action and the rest of the time there is either a shot of "the ring" or someone in a conversation about a bunch of nonsense... the kind of nonsense that disgraces the teachings of Jesus Christ. Give me the movie and I could have easily edited out an hour and no one would know the difference. There are some great looking monsters and the wizard is excellent, but the fight scenes are not as spectacular as people are saving (see Braveheart). There are the typical dumb hollywood things like the wizard not using his power when he really needs it and Hobbits (who did a little training with swords on their way to the mountain) are taking out huge orcs that are bred for nothing but to kill, maim and destroy anything in their path. The ending is ridiculous, they leave you hanging on for the sequel...

One day Jesus will come back and He will fight evil the right way.



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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Friday, November 8, 2002 (5:04 p.m.) 

Steve,

I agree with your religious aspect on life, I am also a christian. However, this forum is not the place to spread your zeal.

Also, as far as your opinions go on the movie, that will probably put you at odds against those in this forum, and now they are less likely to take you seriously. You do know that the author was in deed a Christian, and that his book, the Hobbit, was a portrayal of the christian life from conversion to death?

Even the movie had countless Biblical references. The battle of Dargolad (the opening battle in the movie) was symbolic of the great war in Heaven in which Satan was expelled. Satan of course being Sauron. The main wizard, Gandalf, is a representative of Jesus Christ, and they even made it more apparent in the movie than in the book. Jesus never sinned nor did he ever even entertain a thought of sin. The One Ring is a symbol of sin and pure evil, and Gandalf knew this and he never even as mouch as touched the Ring. Orcs were a fallen version of the Elves. Demons were a fallen version of angels. The Elves are said to live in the worlds both seen and unseen. Saruman is a representative of Satan when he was still Lucifer, the most powerful of angels who turned to the dark side.

Even Gandalf's message to Frodo is inspirational.

Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had ever happened.

Gandalf: So do all who go through such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Sunday, November 10, 2002 (1:28 p.m.) 

Awesome reply Aaron, I was going to write the same thing but you beat me to it.

> Steve,

> I agree with your religious aspect on life, I am also a christian.
> However, this forum is not the place to spread your zeal.

> Also, as far as your opinions go on the movie, that will probably put you
> at odds against those in this forum, and now they are less likely to take
> you seriously. You do know that the author was in deed a Christian, and
> that his book, the Hobbit, was a portrayal of the christian life from
> conversion to death?

> Even the movie had countless Biblical references. The battle of Dargolad
> (the opening battle in the movie) was symbolic of the great war in Heaven
> in which Satan was expelled. Satan of course being Sauron. The main
> wizard, Gandalf, is a representative of Jesus Christ, and they even made
> it more apparent in the movie than in the book. Jesus never sinned nor did
> he ever even entertain a thought of sin. The One Ring is a symbol of sin
> and pure evil, and Gandalf knew this and he never even as mouch as touched
> the Ring. Orcs were a fallen version of the Elves. Demons were a fallen
> version of angels. The Elves are said to live in the worlds both seen and
> unseen. Saruman is a representative of Satan when he was still Lucifer,
> the most powerful of angels who turned to the dark side.

> Even Gandalf's message to Frodo is inspirational.

> Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had ever
> happened.

> Gandalf: So do all who go through such times, but that is not for them to
> decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to
> us.


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I second that   Monday, November 11, 2002 (10:28 p.m.) 

> Awesome reply Aaron, I was going to write the same thing but you beat me
> to it.
I'd have to agree, although I would like to add to it. Gandalf shares the roll of figurative illustration of christ with Aragorn, whose part in it is made most apparent in the final book, the Return of the King (I won't say any more than that to avoid spoilers). Note the fact that Aragorn also never touches the ring, the representation of sin. As for the remainder of the original post, I really have little to say, given that it is the most common criticism I've seen among critics; not enough action, too long, and (although it wasn't used in this instance) believe it or not, not enough sex (astonished gasps all around and a lady faints in the background). Critics today are much too jaded.

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Re: I second that   Thursday, May 11, 2006 (8:50 p.m.) 

> As for the remainder of
> the original post, I really have little to say, given that it is the most
> common criticism I've seen among critics; not enough action, too long, and
> (although it wasn't used in this instance) believe it or not, not enough
> sex (astonished gasps all around and a lady faints in the background).
> Critics today are much too jaded.

Ummmm...... 'not enough action' obviously implies that there was SOME, so what would 'not enough sex' imply? Hmmmmmm.

I seem to remember there being absolutely NO SEX in any of the three (and I just watched them again weeks ago). It would have been superlatively, incredibly, astonishingly disgraceful to Tolkien, the books, and their fans if that were the case!

Is that REALLY what the critics said? Maybe there was an alternate version to slightly appease the jaded critics (J/K)? LOL!

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All those who think LOTR has no biblical references, PLEASE READ THIS!   Monday, November 18, 2002 (3:00 p.m.) 

> Steve,

> I agree with your religious aspect on life, I am also a christian.
> However, this forum is not the place to spread your zeal.

> Also, as far as your opinions go on the movie, that will probably put you
> at odds against those in this forum, and now they are less likely to take
> you seriously. You do know that the author was in deed a Christian, and
> that his book, the Hobbit, was a portrayal of the christian life from
> conversion to death?

> Even the movie had countless Biblical references. The battle of Dargolad
> (the opening battle in the movie) was symbolic of the great war in Heaven
> in which Satan was expelled. Satan of course being Sauron. The main
> wizard, Gandalf, is a representative of Jesus Christ, and they even made
> it more apparent in the movie than in the book. Jesus never sinned nor did
> he ever even entertain a thought of sin. The One Ring is a symbol of sin
> and pure evil, and Gandalf knew this and he never even as mouch as touched
> the Ring. Orcs were a fallen version of the Elves. Demons were a fallen
> version of angels. The Elves are said to live in the worlds both seen and
> unseen. Saruman is a representative of Satan when he was still Lucifer,
> the most powerful of angels who turned to the dark side.

> Even Gandalf's message to Frodo is inspirational.

> Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had ever
> happened.

> Gandalf: So do all who go through such times, but that is not for them to
> decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to
> us.

Tolkien was a professor of mythology and languages at Oxford, I believe, and he was the key believer who brought the famous Christian author C.S. Lewis (the Chronicles of Narnia, the Screwtape Letters) to faith in Jesus. To say that LOTR has no biblical connections is absurd and completely incorrect. I would encourage those who disagree with me to read the book "Finding God in the Lord of the Rings" by Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware, published by Tyndale. Tolkien himself said, and I quote, "Legends and myths are largely made of 'truth'".

Dan

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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (3:31 p.m.) 

Pardon me, sir, but using Christianity to dismiss this film is not only lazy, but it does a disservice to your faith. The idea that this film contains elements that are somehow a disgrace to Christ is not only incorrect, but it suggests that something as simple as a fictional story is somehow a danger to Him. I am an atheist, which may or may not affect your opinion of me, but it seems to me that if you want to do well by your religion, you should leave your comments to an appropriate forum, and judge the film on its artistic merits, not by what *you* say Christ would think of it. Such assumptions are both ingnorant, and insulting to "your savior".

Moreover, this is supposed to be a discussion board on the music.

Good day.

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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Monday, November 18, 2002 (7:16 p.m.) 

> The ending is ridiculous, they leave you hanging
> on for the sequel...
Um, HELLO?!!! FotR is the first in a series of 3 movies based on the 3 books that Tolkien wrote! OF COURSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SEQUEL TO THE MOVIE - THERE'S A SEQUEL BOOK, YOU STUPID MORON! Before you try and critisize a movie, how about making sure you know the first d*mn thing about it?!!! And as described in previous replies, your argument that FotR is somehow an offense to God is bunk. Besides, this is a soundtrack site, not a movie site, so this isn't even the appropriate forum for attacking the movie in the first place.

I love stupid people as fellow human beings but God D*MNIT I hate them...

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You do know that this is a website about SOUNDTRACKS?   Thursday, January 26, 2006 (12:37 a.m.) 

This is a website about scores! Music. Not the movie nor the books Take your bull somewhere else. Everyone who has ever been interested in LotR know that Tolkein hated allegories. This is all I want to say about that.

If you want to write about your ideas then do it kindly in your blog or in a Lord of the Rings forum but not HERE.

> I was really looking forward to spending an afternoon hopefully enjoying
> this movie. I had heard it was great! If I had it to do over again I would
> have saved my money. This movie obviously took a lot of work and I'm sure
> cost a ton of money but that doesn't always mean it is going to be any
> good. For one thing I don't know why whenever someone does a movie with
> knights and wizards that they feel they have to make the movie in that
> wierd "dark" color. I felt like I wanted to constantly adjust my
> color controls. A quick 3 hours? Hardly! There is about 30 minutes of
> actual action and the rest of the time there is either a shot of "the
> ring" or someone in a conversation about a bunch of nonsense... the
> kind of nonsense that disgraces the teachings of Jesus Christ. Give me
> the movie and I could have easily edited out an hour and no one would know
> the difference. There are some great looking monsters and the wizard is
> excellent, but the fight scenes are not as spectacular as people are
> saving (see Braveheart). There are the typical dumb hollywood things like
> the wizard not using his power when he really needs it and Hobbits (who
> did a little training with swords on their way to the mountain) are taking
> out huge orcs that are bred for nothing but to kill, maim and destroy
> anything in their path. The ending is ridiculous, they leave you hanging
> on for the sequel...

> One day Jesus will come back and He will fight evil the right way.


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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Monday, February 13, 2006 (7:49 a.m.) 

> I was really looking forward to spending an afternoon hopefully enjoying
> this movie. I had heard it was great! If I had it to do over again I would
> have saved my money. This movie obviously took a lot of work and I'm sure
> cost a ton of money but that doesn't always mean it is going to be any
> good. For one thing I don't know why whenever someone does a movie with
> knights and wizards that they feel they have to make the movie in that
> wierd "dark" color. I felt like I wanted to constantly adjust my
> color controls. A quick 3 hours? Hardly! There is about 30 minutes of
> actual action and the rest of the time there is either a shot of "the
> ring" or someone in a conversation about a bunch of nonsense... the
> kind of nonsense that disgraces the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Sir? Did you forget to take your medication?



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Our Convenant With God and The Lord Jesus Christ   Friday, February 17, 2006 (8:32 a.m.) 

> Sir? Did you forget to take your medication?

There is no medication equal to the love of Jesus Christ.



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Re: Our Convenant With God and The Lord Jesus Christ   Friday, February 17, 2006 (8:41 a.m.) 

> There is no medication equal to the love of Jesus Christ.

Oh, I don't know about that. I got a wonderful warm glow inside when I was in hospital, on morphine...

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Re: Our Convenant With God and The Lord Jesus Christ   Friday, February 17, 2006 (9:51 a.m.) 

> There is no medication equal to the love of Jesus Christ.

There is no medication that can CURE extreme Christianity either.



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Re: Our Convenant With God and The Lord Jesus Christ   Sunday, October 25, 2009 (12:49 p.m.) 

It's not a disease... jerk

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Re: Our Convenant With God and The Lord Jesus Christ   Friday, February 17, 2006 (9:57 a.m.) 

> There is no medication equal to the love of Jesus Christ.

Christianity exists to control and scare primitive people.

It also exists to remind intelligent people of how stupid the average human really is.


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Re: Our Convenant With God and The Lord Jesus Christ   Saturday, March 11, 2006 (2:13 p.m.) 

> Christianity exists to control and scare primitive people.

> It also exists to remind intelligent people of how stupid the average
> human really is.

I don’t think so, after all the vast majority of great minds in our history have been pro-religious. Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein two of the greatest scientific ever both held a belief in a god and believe that their work in science was that of unrevealing the secrets of how his mind works. Henry David Thoreau (the writer of resistance to civil government) and Ralph Waldo Emerson the two great Transcendentalists both held firm belief in the Christian God and their work continues to be the corner stone of American writing, philosophy, and environmentalism. Martian Luther the founder of the Protestant church show immeasurable courage when he stood up to the European world and risk his own life to speak out against the corruption and immorality of the church practices in Rome at the time, and through his actions of standing up for what was morally right forever establish the idea of Free speech within the religious world. Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martian Luther King Jr. both influenced by Thoreau, led peaceful protest that brought down decades of oppressive rule (Gandhi), and discriminator laws and racism, and once again both of these men believe deeply in their faith. William Shakespeare the greatest play writes who ever lived and in his writings you can find influences of his family’s Roman Catholic Heritage. And finally the great fantasy writers of the 20th J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and more recently J.K. Rowling all hold a religious convection and it can be found through out their work. So if this is what you call weak minded or “primitive people” then we must be the most primitive race of beings to ever existent.

I my self am a devote Lutheran, and believe that Gods presences can be felt through nature, literature, philosophy, and music. Like Gandalf tells Frodo in the caves of Moria “There are other forces at work in this world besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the ring, just as you were meant have it. And that is encouraging thought.”

(Message edited on Sunday, October 25, 2009, at 12:50 p.m.)


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Ralph Walden Emerson was actually influenced from..   Tuesday, May 13, 2008 (9:29 p.m.) 

> Ralph Waldo Emerson the two great Transcendentalists both
> held firm belief in the Christian God and their work continues to be the
> corner stone of American writing, philosophy, and environmentalism.

You should know one thing that Ralph Waldo Emerson deeply believed in Hindu Philosophical scripts like UPANISHADS and Hindu Religion sacred book "SRI BHAGVAD GITA". Please do read his poems and essays, those were mainly influenced from above mentioned scripts.



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Re: Our Convenant With God and The Lord Jesus Christ   Saturday, March 11, 2006 (7:07 p.m.) 

> There is no medication equal to the love of Jesus Christ.

Perhaps, but I can’t imagine God wanted us to remain in the Dark Ages and reject modern medicine and psychology as ways to heal the sick. That being said prayer has shown healing power all its own; but it falls into another category along with Music.

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You know what? This guy actually has a point!   Saturday, February 18, 2006 (12:22 p.m.) 

The movie does look overly washed out, it is just outright boring and the people are yapping about a whole lot of nosense.


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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Wednesday, May 31, 2006 (2:53 p.m.) 

god bless the ignorant for they are many...

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Re: Praise the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, not the Lord of the Rings!   Monday, December 27, 2010 (2:45 p.m.) 

What is your problem? You may have hated the movie but that doesn't mean it sucked. That's just your opinion. It happens to be my favorite trilogy. And it's not necessarily disgracing Jesus' teachings. Look at it from a different standpoint..Jesus performed miracles but he didn't use the power of God for everything. He didn't come down from the cross, because it was God's plan for Him to die. There's an answer to why Gandalf didn't always use his powers..perhaps he was following a greater plan. The Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy for his teachings and healings, and you're accusing Gandalf of being an anti-Christian character because he uses "magic". Stop taking things so literal and start trying to see the metaphorical side of things. As someone has already said, J.R.R. Tolkien was a believer and led C.S. Lewis to the Lord, so why can you not believe LOTR has Christian undertones?


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