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About Steven Spielberg notes

Sandra
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Harry Potter
About Steven Spielberg notes   Monday, June 17, 2002 (4:00 a.m.) 

JW is the best storyteller?

Spielberg, I think in Goldsmith, like the MASTER storyteller (before JW in the 60's)

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Harry Potter
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Obi-1
Re: About Steven Spielberg notes   Monday, June 17, 2002 (6:45 p.m.) 

JW is the best storyteller?

Spielberg, I think in Goldsmith, like the MASTER storyteller (before JW in
the 60's)

Well there is where your opinion is different from Mr. Spielberg's. Sorry, but I have to agree with him on this one.

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Re: About Steven Spielberg notes   Saturday, June 22, 2002 (9:54 a.m.) 

> Well there is where your opinion is different from Mr. Spielberg's. Sorry,
> but I have to agree with him on this one.

I agree with Mr. Spielberg too. John Williams is the best storyteller, because when you listen to his scores you can imagine the particular film scenes.

I love Jerry Goldsmith very much, but he cannot tell the story so precisely as Williams can. I think Goldsmith is very good in depicting the atmosphere and character of the entire film (Alien, Planet of the Apes, Basic Instinct,...).

That's why in the case of Williams's scores (especially his grand scores - Star Wars saga, Indiana Jones trilogy, E.T., etc.) it is so important to know the film and to hear complete score in chronological form. It is the only way to fully appreciate his music. Because he tells the story. It is also the reason why Williams's music is unlistenable in many cases, because it is so tight connected with the particular film scene, which requires this kind of music.

But in the case of Goldsmith's scores it is not so important. Because his music is not connected so tight with the film. That's maybe the reason why Goldsmith don't like long soundtracks. It is not necessary for his style. He is known he frequently use one or two prominent themes which go throught the entire film and are excellent, but the rest of the score is not so interesting (Chinatown, Rambo trilogy, Under Fire, Hoosiers, Sleepeing with the Enemy, Basic Instinct, Medicine Man, Rudy, The Edge, Small Soldiers,...etc). It fits perfectly in the film but it doesn't tell the story in such a precision as Williams's scores do.

It is my opinion but I think John Williams is better storyteller than Goldsmith is. That is the reason why Goldsmith's scores are in many cases more listenable because they are not so tight connected with the film. I own many Goldsmith's scores but when I'm listening to each of them I cannot imagine the particular film scenes. But when I'm listening to Star Wars or Indiana Jones scores I'm able to imagine every single scene of the film.

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Pawel Stroinski
Thumbs-down   Friday, July 12, 2002 (12:33 p.m.) 

Who the hell cares? I think Hans Zimmer is the best "storyteller", even though I still think Williams makes great music too. It comes down to what music you prefer.

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Re: Thumbs-down   Saturday, September 21, 2002 (11:23 a.m.) 

> Who the hell cares? I think Hans Zimmer is the best
> "storyteller", even though I still think Williams makes great
> music too. It comes down to what music you prefer.

Zimmer is rather an "emotionteller" than "storyteller", but that's what I actually adore in his score.

His approach to scores is more modern. He wants to rather compliment characters' feelings than action, which is more characteristic of Williams and older composers.

If you have heard any soundtracks from 30s-50s you might have think of action, because composer's invention went rather for suitability than melody and emotions.

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Re: About Steven Spielberg notes   Sunday, March 12, 2006 (8:55 p.m.) 

> I agree with Mr. Spielberg too. John Williams is the best storyteller,
> because when you listen to his scores you can imagine the particular film
> scenes.

> I love Jerry Goldsmith very much, but he cannot tell the story so
> precisely as Williams can. I think Goldsmith is very good in depicting the
> atmosphere and character of the entire film (Alien, Planet of the Apes,
> Basic Instinct,...).

> That's why in the case of Williams's scores (especially his grand scores -
> Star Wars saga, Indiana Jones trilogy, E.T., etc.) it is so important to
> know the film and to hear complete score in chronological form. It is the
> only way to fully appreciate his music. Because he tells the story. It is
> also the reason why Williams's music is unlistenable in many cases,
> because it is so tight connected with the particular film scene, which
> requires this kind of music.

> But in the case of Goldsmith's scores it is not so important. Because his
> music is not connected so tight with the film. That's maybe the reason why
> Goldsmith don't like long soundtracks. It is not necessary for his style.
> He is known he frequently use one or two prominent themes which go
> throught the entire film and are excellent, but the rest of the score is
> not so interesting (Chinatown, Rambo trilogy, Under Fire, Hoosiers,
> Sleepeing with the Enemy, Basic Instinct, Medicine Man, Rudy, The Edge,
> Small Soldiers,...etc). It fits perfectly in the film but it doesn't tell
> the story in such a precision as Williams's scores do.

> It is my opinion but I think John Williams is better storyteller than
> Goldsmith is. That is the reason why Goldsmith's scores are in many cases
> more listenable because they are not so tight connected with the film. I
> own many Goldsmith's scores but when I'm listening to each of them I
> cannot imagine the particular film scenes. But when I'm listening to Star
> Wars or Indiana Jones scores I'm able to imagine every single scene of the
> film.> John Williams is an excellent composer and he may be a better storyteller than Goldsmith, but like Goldsmith has said before, it's not his job to tell the story. That is the director's job. Jerry Goldsmith, to me, is a master. No, not all of his soundtracks are the "best" listen but Goldsmith knows how to get underneath the fabric of a film and create an atmosphere, whereas, Williams to me, goes way over the top too often, yet I still do love JW's work. But like the great Bernard Herrmann, JG will always be my fav.


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