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The Mists of Avalon is pornography!

The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, July 30, 2001 (7:09 p.m.) 

Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography. We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon. We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to children and adults.

As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those images was profound on me as a young boy.

Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound impact it had on her young, curious mind.

Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases, divorce, etc.

I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography. It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never the same.

He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his life around. But it all started with one magazine.

The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get caught up in pornography.

1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2. Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

King David wrote in Psalm 40:

"I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry. He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put their trust in the Lord!"

Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the onslaught.

Ken Moody
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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, July 31, 2001 (7:15 a.m.) 

Amen

I struggle with pornography even though I'm Holy Ghost filled. Please pray for me.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Sunday, August 5, 2001 (2:11 p.m.) 

Thank you for 'warning' me about the content of this film. I've never heard of the series, but i'm sure censors in every country the film is screened in will give it a sensible rating so that little kiddies arn't affected by the images in it. But anyone who isn't a little kiddie will be strong enough to 'resist' its content and carry on living. On the other hand, if they're devoutly Christian or not exposed to pornography in any other way (like the minister), they will be affected by it. So i'm saying get used to it, because its the world we live in. If you don't build a resistance to these things then you will be affected like he was, and that is what i preach to you.

PS. this is a musc forum. Spread the word in a film buff forum if you want to make your voice heard.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, November 30, 2001 (7:13 p.m.) 

My children watched this movie and so did their friends. They loved the movie and did a school report on it. Also their history teacher has played in class and the kids are reading the books. So it is not bad for children to see.

> Thank you for 'warning' me about the content of this film. I've never
> heard of the series, but i'm sure censors in every country the film is
> screened in will give it a sensible rating so that little kiddies arn't
> affected by the images in it. But anyone who isn't a little kiddie will be
> strong enough to 'resist' its content and carry on living. On the other
> hand, if they're devoutly Christian or not exposed to pornography in any
> other way (like the minister), they will be affected by it. So i'm saying
> get used to it, because its the world we live in. If you don't build a
> resistance to these things then you will be affected like he was, and that
> is what i preach to you.

> PS. this is a musc forum. Spread the word in a film buff forum if you want
> to make your voice heard.


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Sunday, February 24, 2002 (8:43 p.m.) 

Well the film has hit Australia and I watched it on the weekend. I thought the score was beautiful and that's why I ended up on this website. Then I read the porn essay and was just amazed at the blindness of this person. I thought the heading was a joke at first. Did you realize the consequences of the incest? Can't you see that the end result was tragedy? Plus, it was the head priestess of the "pagan" religion who orchestrated it in the name of the Goddess and she admitted she had done the wrong thing. Don't you think it's possible that Ms Bradley was saying just that amongst all the other stuff? If you think Mists was pornography then for God's sake get into the real world and use your eloquence to campaign against something worthwhile.

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porno?   Thursday, July 11, 2002 (9:01 p.m.) 

i am really happy that some ppl actually comented on the score, by the way this is a film score website if anyone forgot, if u want to debate porn go on a religious website. by listening to music u therefore like the arts, therefore u see humans as a work of art. we are complex beautiful creatures. and sex is a part of being human, without it u wouldn't be here bitching about some nudity. and i agree with the people that say sex shouldn't be hiden away, otherwise we would be ignorant.
great score! good music, recommend u listen to it instead about argueing about porn

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stop arguing ......please?   Thursday, December 29, 2005 (2:02 p.m.) 

I am ashamed to call myself pagan right now, all of you who follow similar religions as me, i think we owe all the christians here an apology it is not our place to degrade their religion nor theirs to degrade ours( with this stated i think the christians also owe us an apology)but please rememberall those who follow the same religion as myself " all gods are one" therefore by putting down christianity you are putting down your own religion

we are all entitled to our own opinions and thoughts so it really would be lovely if we could all just agree to disagree.

my thanks go out to all who took the time to read this, and my apologies for not commenting on music


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Saturday, August 13, 2005 (5:06 p.m.) 

I don't know how many peopel ar elef tot read this, but here goes...

The Misst of Avalon was not Pron [er sey, but was very Anti-Christain, and before w discuss hwo it eflects the Hisotry accuraclty of how Christainity sprrad by deciet and mrider, lets face reality.

Christainised Rome didnt conwuer Brittain. Pagan ROme did. Teh gaulic sieges where lead by None other than Julius Caeser, aroudn 60 BC. So no, the CHristain roman Empire did not COnquer Brittain. Hwck, it woidl be three centiries after the time of CHrist before Rome became a Christain state. By then it had alreayd Largly Withdrawn form Brittain.

Second off, the "Old Religion". OK, soem of you may rpefer to thin the Neo-Pagan crap in the book and movie was actually how the Ancient Celtic rleigion worked. They worshipe the great mother Goddess, and celebrated Beltain, and you can pracite this religion today in Modenr Wicca and the like.

This is all false.

The Celtic religion was largley disorginised and not Uniform form region to region, and the few connecting strands where a few Universal gods. Plural, not singular. Andnot a one fo them an overarchign feminine charecter known simpely as "The Goddess".

The chief Diety was avutlaly male, called "The Dahgda." This means the All Father.

Others where the Morrigan, goddess of deaht and war, and Aridrannah.

The rest where geenrlaly reigonal deities and tribal cheif gods.

Likewise, the Ancient celtic rleigion relied on Head Huntign and Himan Sacrifice. We find soem victims today inthe Marshes still.

Theyw here less civilised than the ORman Pagans who conwuered them, and the Pagans of ORme didnt even worship a Great Goddess. They used thr Latinised Olympian Polytheistic system, headed by Jupiter, and MArs as their Patron deity.

The "Old rleigion" foudn in this book, andmovie, are Anachonisms. The prodict of 20th Century wishful thinking, projected onto a past that didnt exist.

Also, the idea that the Christasn treated women as second class citezend, where the Pagans treated them fairly and with respect is pure bunk. The clets treatedtheir Horses better than women. Christendom was seen as an imporvement in their lives. At leastthey wher recognised then as people.

Don't beleive me? Look it up in real hisotyebooks sometime.

This brigns us to how Brittian was acutlaly Christainised.

Not through conwueast, deciet, and murder of the Pagans, and suppresionof their ways. THe CHristainfaith wasnt shoved down their throats.

It acutlaly happened slowly and in two waves. Threeif you count Ireland, th last land converted.

The first wave was when Joseph of Arnimethea took the Grial their int he firts palce. He founded the Celtic Chruches which thrived, but didnt rellay do much to the surroundign culture.

The next wave was from Augustine the Less, first Archbishop pf Canterburry. He reconciled the desperate Celtic CHruches to Rome. He also managed to convert mostof th celts. PEacefully.

Again, look it up on such soruces as Wikipedia, or University hisotry courses. DOtn take my word for it.

Learn hwo the Old Rleigion just didnt exist at the time, and by the time Arthur ( who himself if he existed was CHristain) was not a Pagan and did not rellay exist to brign abotu a aba;ance between "The Old rleigion" and Christendom.

The book is terrible on the fact htat hisotry alone dispiroves it. then the lines they feed Christaisn into, such as blamign the guilt they feel on it, and blaming the problems largley on "Patriarchy" and Christainisation, is idiocy. Espeiclaly when taken withthe Hisry that Brittainwas alreayd a Christain nation at the time.

Do you peopel even know Hisotry?

I doubt it.

Sorry for a sloppy post, byt the last post Ir ead is two years old, so didnt feel liek doiugn a proper job. Just expressing outrage here.Outrage that many peoepla cutlaly beleive htis drivel is indivcative of anyhting rtemotlry hisotrical.



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, April 1, 2008 (5:39 a.m.) 

> I don't know how many peopel ar elef tot read this, but here goes...

> The Misst of Avalon was not Pron [er sey, but was very Anti-Christain, and
> before w discuss hwo it eflects the Hisotry accuraclty of how Christainity
> sprrad by deciet and mrider, lets face reality.

> Christainised Rome didnt conwuer Brittain. Pagan ROme did. Teh gaulic
> sieges where lead by None other than Julius Caeser, aroudn 60 BC. So no,
> the CHristain roman Empire did not COnquer Brittain. Hwck, it woidl be
> three centiries after the time of CHrist before Rome became a Christain
> state. By then it had alreayd Largly Withdrawn form Brittain.

> Second off, the "Old Religion". OK, soem of you may rpefer to
> thin the Neo-Pagan crap in the book and movie was actually how the Ancient
> Celtic rleigion worked. They worshipe the great mother Goddess, and
> celebrated Beltain, and you can pracite this religion today in Modenr
> Wicca and the like.

> This is all false.

> The Celtic religion was largley disorginised and not Uniform form region
> to region, and the few connecting strands where a few Universal gods.
> Plural, not singular. Andnot a one fo them an overarchign feminine
> charecter known simpely as "The Goddess".

> The chief Diety was avutlaly male, called "The Dahgda." This
> means the All Father.

> Others where the Morrigan, goddess of deaht and war, and Aridrannah.

> The rest where geenrlaly reigonal deities and tribal cheif gods.

> Likewise, the Ancient celtic rleigion relied on Head Huntign and Himan
> Sacrifice. We find soem victims today inthe Marshes still.

> Theyw here less civilised than the ORman Pagans who conwuered them, and
> the Pagans of ORme didnt even worship a Great Goddess. They used thr
> Latinised Olympian Polytheistic system, headed by Jupiter, and MArs as
> their Patron deity.

> The "Old rleigion" foudn in this book, andmovie, are
> Anachonisms. The prodict of 20th Century wishful thinking, projected onto
> a past that didnt exist.

> Also, the idea that the Christasn treated women as second class citezend,
> where the Pagans treated them fairly and with respect is pure bunk. The
> clets treatedtheir Horses better than women. Christendom was seen as an
> imporvement in their lives. At leastthey wher recognised then as people.

> Don't beleive me? Look it up in real hisotyebooks sometime.

> This brigns us to how Brittian was acutlaly Christainised.

> Not through conwueast, deciet, and murder of the Pagans, and suppresionof
> their ways. THe CHristainfaith wasnt shoved down their throats.

> It acutlaly happened slowly and in two waves. Threeif you count Ireland,
> th last land converted.

> The first wave was when Joseph of Arnimethea took the Grial their int he
> firts palce. He founded the Celtic Chruches which thrived, but didnt
> rellay do much to the surroundign culture.

> The next wave was from Augustine the Less, first Archbishop pf
> Canterburry. He reconciled the desperate Celtic CHruches to Rome. He also
> managed to convert mostof th celts. PEacefully.

> Again, look it up on such soruces as Wikipedia, or University hisotry
> courses. DOtn take my word for it.

> Learn hwo the Old Rleigion just didnt exist at the time, and by the time
> Arthur ( who himself if he existed was CHristain) was not a Pagan and did
> not rellay exist to brign abotu a aba;ance between "The Old
> rleigion" and Christendom.

> The book is terrible on the fact htat hisotry alone dispiroves it. then
> the lines they feed Christaisn into, such as blamign the guilt they feel
> on it, and blaming the problems largley on "Patriarchy" and
> Christainisation, is idiocy. Espeiclaly when taken withthe Hisry that
> Brittainwas alreayd a Christain nation at the time.

> Do you peopel even know Hisotry?

> I doubt it.

> Sorry for a sloppy post, byt the last post Ir ead is two years old, so
> didnt feel liek doiugn a proper job. Just expressing outrage here.Outrage
> that many peoepla cutlaly beleive htis drivel is indivcative of anyhting
> rtemotlry hisotrical.

well this may not be the best place to post this but since it was broched, I am Pagan a druid infact. I will say that the druids cheaf daity was male yes but there was a womans order that, reveared godess form what i can tell form myth folk lore and poems form the regen and dated to the pre christion era. thay where both equel.

on the topic of head hunting it is a comon prictis among warrior tribs. as for human scrific it was prictised but it sounds like you have been baseing your histric info on roman propaganda, well it is true that celts pectised human sacrifec there just is not the evednce that thay did so on a scalle sujested by julies cezer or even on the scale of that by the romans. if thay did on the scale sujested by the romans there would be evedce all over the place in britten and ireland and even france but indead there is not. it was sead by julis cezer that hes troops where shocked by the brutataly of the celts, I find that hard to bleve form an empire known the lenth and breath of the world for there butalaty. If any one had been shucked it would have to have been the clets towred roman brutaltay.....

in fact now there are many historyins that question the vailedaty of cezers clambes of the celts an I am so inclind as well, and it should also be taken into acount that there may wall have been more sacrifces form a ppl in dreas for it was often the pristly class home valteared the be scrificed as evedicne by the lack of strugleing or defecive wounds and bindings on the bog men



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, January 5, 2009 (3:26 p.m.) 
• Now Playing: on CD, Lee Holdridge's score for East of Eden!  

> I don't know how many peopel ar elef tot read this, but here goes...

If the author of this cannot even write English language poperly I cannot be bothered to read the rest of this comment.

> The Misst of Avalon was not Pron [er sey, but was very Anti-Christain, and
> before w discuss hwo it eflects the Hisotry accuraclty of how Christainity
> sprrad by deciet and mrider, lets face reality.

> Christainised Rome didnt conwuer Brittain. Pagan ROme did. Teh gaulic
> sieges where lead by None other than Julius Caeser, aroudn 60 BC. So no,
> the CHristain roman Empire did not COnquer Brittain. Hwck, it woidl be
> three centiries after the time of CHrist before Rome became a Christain
> state. By then it had alreayd Largly Withdrawn form Brittain.

> Second off, the "Old Religion". OK, soem of you may rpefer to
> thin the Neo-Pagan crap in the book and movie was actually how the Ancient
> Celtic rleigion worked. They worshipe the great mother Goddess, and
> celebrated Beltain, and you can pracite this religion today in Modenr
> Wicca and the like.

> This is all false.

> The Celtic religion was largley disorginised and not Uniform form region
> to region, and the few connecting strands where a few Universal gods.
> Plural, not singular. Andnot a one fo them an overarchign feminine
> charecter known simpely as "The Goddess".

> The chief Diety was avutlaly male, called "The Dahgda." This
> means the All Father.

> Others where the Morrigan, goddess of deaht and war, and Aridrannah.

> The rest where geenrlaly reigonal deities and tribal cheif gods.

> Likewise, the Ancient celtic rleigion relied on Head Huntign and Himan
> Sacrifice. We find soem victims today inthe Marshes still.

> Theyw here less civilised than the ORman Pagans who conwuered them, and
> the Pagans of ORme didnt even worship a Great Goddess. They used thr
> Latinised Olympian Polytheistic system, headed by Jupiter, and MArs as
> their Patron deity.

> The "Old rleigion" foudn in this book, andmovie, are
> Anachonisms. The prodict of 20th Century wishful thinking, projected onto
> a past that didnt exist.

> Also, the idea that the Christasn treated women as second class citezend,
> where the Pagans treated them fairly and with respect is pure bunk. The
> clets treatedtheir Horses better than women. Christendom was seen as an
> imporvement in their lives. At leastthey wher recognised then as people.

> Don't beleive me? Look it up in real hisotyebooks sometime.

> This brigns us to how Brittian was acutlaly Christainised.

> Not through conwueast, deciet, and murder of the Pagans, and suppresionof
> their ways. THe CHristainfaith wasnt shoved down their throats.

> It acutlaly happened slowly and in two waves. Threeif you count Ireland,
> th last land converted.

> The first wave was when Joseph of Arnimethea took the Grial their int he
> firts palce. He founded the Celtic Chruches which thrived, but didnt
> rellay do much to the surroundign culture.

This is and always has been a folk myth Nothing and nobody has ever prved that Joseph of Arimathea ever came to England in general or to Glastonbury in particular.

> The next wave was from Augustine the Less, first Archbishop pf
> Canterburry. He reconciled the desperate (disparate!) Celtic CHruches to Rome. He also managed to convert mostof th celts. PEacefully.

> Again, look it up on such soruces as Wikipedia, or University hisotry
> courses. DOtn take my word for it.

> Learn hwo the Old Rleigion just didnt exist at the time, and by the time
> Arthur ( who himself if he existed was CHristain) was not a Pagan and did
> not rellay exist to brign abotu a aba;ance between "The Old
> rleigion" and Christendom.

Thst too is an unknown. Arthur Iif he ever existed) was a War Lord, not a King, who was born in the Dark Ages at the end of the Roman occupation and could well have worshipped Mother Nature.

> The book is terrible on the fact htat hisotry alone dispiroves it. then
> the lines they feed Christaisn into, such as blamign the guilt they feel
> on it, and blaming the problems largley on "Patriarchy" and
> Christainisation, is idiocy. Espeiclaly when taken withthe Hisry that
> Brittainwas alreayd a Christain nation at the time.

> Do you peopel even know Hisotry?

> I doubt it.

> Sorry for a sloppy post, byt the last post Ir ead is two years old, so
> didnt feel liek doiugn a proper job. Just expressing outrage here.Outrage
> that many peoepla cutlaly beleive htis drivel is indivcative of anyhting
> rtemotlry hisotrical.

The story of Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, Camelot, Guinevere and Lancelot and the rest of it is based on early romantic tales from Europe, expanded in the Middle Ages by Mallory and as a good story has become the "Matter of Britain".

I would love to know Arthur had been real but have to know that he probably never existed ans is a storybook figure for us to look up to and the try to emulate in our lives.

Written not in ignorance, but from my studies, as I have an MA in History from Oxford! That degee doe not stop me loving the whole story of King Arthur. Any nation needs to have such a story, real or not.



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Thursday, September 5, 2002 (3:33 p.m.) 

.....your full of holy ghost?????? That must be uncomfortable......

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Ridiculous........ Porn?   Friday, June 7, 2002 (10:11 p.m.) 

seems that someone over there seems to misunderstand the thought of which-came-first. Christianity didn't come first and you're a dumb piece of you know what if you didn't know that as part of general history. Some of us should really not be ignorant and stop clinging to faith and acknowledge a little bit of something called "Chronological Evidence" when we look at all aspects of religion & history combined. If you're too dumb to realize the skeptical side of it, then you're obviously brainwashed by those Christians who believe so much in sin, shame, and penance for the "saviour of the Christ".

I am pitying you as a human being. You have no wit because you prevent yourself from acknowledging its existence. Thanks.

As for our porn-schmuck who claimed so much that there was "Porn" in Mists of Avalon,... Man.. GROW UP. You wouldve been making sense in our minds if we were back in the 12th century as your damnable Christian faith tormented reason and the freedom of worship. I like that thought that sex will always be part of our lives, no matter how you view it with your Christian analogy. You are an idiot if you do not recognize that you were created not by some supernatural force (whether Christ or Avalon), but because the pole was stuck in a hole. pretty candid but true. Stop trying to impose Christianity within your views because we all know how the Christian faith loses its effect on people year by year because they are unsatisfied by the Western thought and theology in general. Since you feel so shameful in your body that you believe in Christ being criticized in the movie, then create your own movie and set some competition! I'd like to see some kind of battle going on between your pathetic faith and the pagan one.

Oh. and prevent your child from watching movies at all!! You don't want them becoming exposed to the real world... and you sure don't want them to go to Satan's hell because of entertainment.

Like you and that other person with the "Pagan Blah-Freakin-Dah".
Both of you have no wits. Bring some sense into your narrow-minded Christian minds.

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. May the Goddess bless your idiocies.

HAHAHA!


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Go figure, monkey-man!   Thursday, June 13, 2002 (4:50 p.m.) 

You'll never stop God from existing just because you don't like it! You'll never prove He doesn't exist, and you in all your Communistic idealism will never stop Christians from worshipping Him. Besides, don't knock it till you tried it. I can still remember how dumb I was when I was like YOU!

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Babble on Jesus.   Thursday, June 13, 2002 (5:10 p.m.) 

ME? Who is trying to stamp out Christianity here and his foolish followers? (although it should be stamped out. really, but patience rules all in due time). Please define "communistic idealism" before you use the term; it sounds REALLY vague and out of subject since you don't have much information to back it up and say your point. Bottom line is. what are you trying to say again?

Worship whatever you want. I could really care less on that since the facts stand for themselves. And DONT be intimidated if Christian faith diminishes so well these days. It's been 1500+ years of political bullcrap & tension. Take a break.. (and a long one too).

Oh, and why did you watch Mists of AValon in the first place? And even if you did, as a Christian? Why do you care? It seems that you feel a little bit of interest on non-Christian things huh? You don't want to expose your virtuous-chastised-Christian-mind to pagan aspects now. Do you?

Don't wanna burn in HELL now. Cmon. *winks*

the "real" Jesus would condemn you to that ignorance & narrow-mindedness for that type of comment and mentality. Really. THINK ABOUT IT.

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See what I mean?   Tuesday, July 9, 2002 (12:47 p.m.) 

You just don't see it, do you? The seeds of communistic idealism are already nestled in your brain. You just confessed that you think it should be stamped out. What is that, if it isn't an aspect of communism?
And about my supposed interest in paganism...Why should I let that bother me, if I'm already so strong in my faith? Heck, Christianity has been adopting rituals from paganism for centuries, but just because it has done that doesn't mean that one religion or the other is right or wrong. We follow a person. A very special Person, not a set of rules, or a credo, or a strict standard. Just Him.

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Re: See what I mean?   Thursday, July 25, 2002 (9:20 p.m.) 

Okay, everyone, I think we're missing the point here. What's with all the bashing? One of the key themes of The Mists of Avalon was the struggle Arthur had to allow Christianity and paganism to coexist. It was because people of one faith could not accept those of another that the events in the book (and film) occurred. That is what happens when a person of ANY religion closes their mind, I'm not saying accept everything out there but please do not damn another person to hell simply because his or her theology is not in keeping with your own. If we all do so, then forget heaven or hell or God or Goddess, we create our own hell on earth.

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i'm with Isobel !!!!   Tuesday, September 3, 2002 (12:51 p.m.) 

While I personally am a pagan and very much enjoyed "The Mists of Avalon", Isobel's right, what's the point of arguing back and forth like this? No one wins, in the end, each walks away from it even more convinced that the other is "evil" or "oppressive". I don't know about Christianity, but paganism is all about living and letting others live, however they choose to.

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oh and, I don't know about everyone else but I personnaly love the ritual sex, very steamy

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Being a Christian don't make me a boyscout   Wednesday, May 21, 2003 (8:37 p.m.) 

A year ago, I came up to this girl and offered her some of my cookie. I said, "Would you like some of mah cookay?" and I think it offended her because she slapped me on the cheek. And, being the Christian I am, I said, "I've got three more, if you're interested." Then I start doing this stupid dance in front of her. She laughed, of course, and I think we would have hit it off quite well if I had only asked her for her phone number. Now, she's somewhere in Chicago (probably dreaming about me) and I'm here (definitely dreaming about her). Also, on my next first date with a pretty girl, I intend to put all her dressing up and make up to naught by blindfolding myself. I will then not have to look at her pretty face, and will be able to concentrate on her personality (and not falling down manholes). I have a bumper sticker that says, "If my Christianity offends you, go to your knees and beg God for an apology." Anyway, I am a Christian, but I can be a punk. Not the worst of them, but I have no qualms with offending others.

The music to Mists of Avalon is very lovely, and I won't place the morality of the film on the same playing field as the music. I prefer this forum for its reviews on music as opposed to other people's views on religion, so let's just quit the pointless banter, okay? It makes me tired.

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bull!   Monday, July 8, 2002 (12:06 p.m.) 

Idiot!

God does exist. I think so. if anything, no one can prove that Avalon really existed. plus it's a a legend.

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What?!   Tuesday, July 9, 2002 (12:34 p.m.) 

Hold on there, pottymouth! I'm on your side of the argument! I believe He exists, too. I was just being real adamant with another one of those atheists. Unfortunately, my earnest proclamations more often than not fall on proud ears. Just leave them to the vanity of their humanism. As long as they don't try to oppress us with secularism like communist Russia did, we should just let it go.

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Re: Go figure, monkey-man!   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (10:59 p.m.) 

> You'll never stop God from existing just because you don't like it! You'll
> never prove He doesn't exist, and you in all your Communistic idealism
> will never stop Christians from worshipping Him. Besides, don't knock it
> till you tried it. I can still remember how dumb I was when I was like
> YOU!

I'm sorry, where did you get the idea the man was a communist? Do you even know the true definition of the word "communism"? Have you read the Communist Manifesto? It is perfectly acceptable to read something for educational purposes only... that way you won't make a fool of yourself while engaging in conversation. I have read the bible several times - seven times for the king james, twice with the NIV. I did it to understand the bible as a piece of literature, and to understand the christian culture as a whole. The bible is a very intriguing book, and I respect your culture, but I am not a part of it.

Here is a really wild idea - maybe you should read the mists of avalon books, see the movie a couple of times, listen to the soundtrack, then come back and discuss it intelligently with the rest of us?

Forgive my occasionally biting sarcasm - i have nothing against christians, only the witless and those with no respect for others, which is the same as witless in my book.

-Meklorka

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Dude...that message I left is older than ****   Wednesday, May 21, 2003 (7:35 p.m.) 

Read it and let it go! I've forgotten I even wrote it. Besides, I'm an American and the lifeblood of our freedom is capitalism, believe it or not, like it or not. And yes, I will criticize a tyrannical form of socialism that scorns the "opiate of the masses." The rights to own property, the rights to make money and excell (capitalism), the rights to criticize government policies, and the rights to free expression and religion are all considered anathema to communism. If you want me to apologize for those remarks, you'll have to force me to apologize for being an American, and good luck trying to do that!

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Re: Dude...that message I left is older than ****   Saturday, May 31, 2003 (1:44 p.m.) 

Who exactly considers those rights to be the anathema of communism? As a communist, I practise those rights daily. I am also an American, no place in the constitution does it say "lifeblood of our freedom is capitalism". Where communism and capitalism differ is in the "the rights to make money and excell" clause. Communists also have the right to make money and excell, but the whole point of communism is that people shouldnt excell over each other, but as a whole, should excell. Capitalism has not furthered society, only made it more materialistic and superficial. Had this country been communist (true communism is not maoist, but marxist) it would have been everyone who would have excelled, not just the (mostly) white rich people. I suggest that you take a class in governmentfrom your local community college or high school (oh wow, public schooling, another marxist concept, how tyranical!). I too will not apologize for being an American, nor will I apologize for my religion or political views, and I never asked for, or expected an apology from you.

I am simply trying to help eliminate ignorance from the world.



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Re: Go figure, monkey-man!   Friday, April 25, 2008 (4:10 a.m.) 

> You'll never stop God from existing just because you don't like it! You'll
> never prove He doesn't exist, and you in all your Communistic idealism
> will never stop Christians from worshipping Him. Besides, don't knock it
> till you tried it. I can still remember how dumb I was when I was like
> YOU!

ok ... are you kidding me ? no one can force their religion on another person ... if you truly are christian then you don't know how to act it ... christians are not better than anyone else, they are meant to offer the right path but not force it down people's throats ... you wanna know why so many people are anti-christian ? it's because of people like you arrogant, selfish, know it all bastards, who fear the real world. if any of you really were storng in your faith, you wouldn't let a movie like this affect you. You would just ignore it and move on instead of being the weakminded wimps you are and spamming a MUSIC site from the safety of your homes, using a little square box to talk to the world. Grow up ... this is a MUSIC site



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what is WRONG with you people???   Thursday, June 6, 2002 (10:44 a.m.) 

Ok first of all> love the movie, nothing wrong with it, wasn't too happy with the mixing of religions like that, they're two completely different religions, you at least agree that much. But um, as far as you people's discussions with all this pagan blah. What's that got to do with the movie???? so what your pagan la-dee-frickin-dah! Oh and according to Christianity everyone knows about Adam and Eve, who doesn't? But seeming how that's truth think about this, ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED BY THE HANDS OF GOD, THEY WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE LOVED GOD AND BELIEVED IN HIM SO HOW CAN TRUTH (CHRISTIANITY) SHADOW YOUR CRACK-HEAD RELIGION OR ANY OTHER.CHRISTIANITY CAME FIRST.

AGAIN LOVED THE MOVIE!

That movie was so totally not porn!

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Re: what is WRONG with you people???   Tuesday, September 3, 2002 (1:01 p.m.) 

ummmmm, sari, I agree with you about the "Mists of Avalon = not porn" bit, but the pagan thing isn't randome. The goddess religion that Morgain and the others on Avalon practice is one of the deepest roots of mordern paganism......and the whole "adam and eve,god did his thing, must see my way"....just a little scary. Is there no way that Christians and Pagans can come to an agree to disagree arangment? Or at least a leave us alone and don't try to impose your views on us agreement?

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Re: what is WRONG with you people???   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (10:49 p.m.) 

> ummmmm, sari, I agree with you about the "Mists of Avalon = not
> porn" bit, but the pagan thing isn't randome. The goddess religion
> that Morgain and the others on Avalon practice is one of the deepest roots
> of mordern paganism......and the whole "adam and eve,god did his
> thing, must see my way"....just a little scary. Is there no way that
> Christians and Pagans can come to an agree to disagree arangment? Or at
> least a leave us alone and don't try to impose your views on us agreement?

> -gabs

Or better yet, and agree to agree arrangement - I agree to respect your beliefs if you will agree to rescept my beliefs.

-Meklorka

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Re: what is WRONG with you people???   Wednesday, May 21, 2003 (10:18 a.m.) 

Hello Sari. I disagree with you on "they're two completely different religions". If you would take initiative to read about paganism you will realize that they are not that different as you would have them to be. It would also lighten your load of obviouse anger towards us pagans, once you understand them better. As someone already has mentioned todays modern paganism is based on the ancient earth religion that also christianity has taken up some things from.
I urge you to read the fantastic book "the mists of avalon" if you liked the movie. There are also many interesting views from king arthurs wife (can't spell her name), a pios christian. The authur is Marion Zimmer Bradley.
Blessed be in love and light.
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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, July 31, 2001 (8:01 a.m.) 

Oh, please. Spare us your anti-pagan ranting. I would strongly urge you to read the book - and the other Avalon books by the late author. It [the mini-series] hasn't made it to Australia as yet, but I for one am looking forward to it. If it does the novel justice it is likely to be spectacular. And I don't think it was made as an excuse to "sneak" pornography into a wider audience's awareness. There are quite likely more obvious culprits.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Thursday, June 6, 2002 (2:06 p.m.) 

i loved the movie. how can you people say that there was porn in there?
there was ONE little tiny bit of sexuality. i personaly loved the movie, i am very interested in the religions nad magic. i love the way they had it like old times and the way they had it.
you dont have to agree with me but thas my opinion
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This is total nonsense...   Tuesday, July 31, 2001 (10:55 a.m.) 

> The issue of porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to children and adults.

Ridiculous. Take the entertainment for what it is, or else, turn off the television and read your scriptures.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

That's right. He was liberated.

Just because a minister you know couldn't contain his sexual drive doesn't mean that The Mists of Avalon and its music are to blame. In fact, I bet Jesus Christ would be ashamed of you.

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Re: This is total nonsense...   Wednesday, August 1, 2001 (2:22 p.m.) 

Nice name. Curse or blessing?:b=


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Re: This is total nonsense...   Monday, May 6, 2002 (8:59 a.m.) 

Bravo!! and beautifully put!

Shay

> Ridiculous. Take the entertainment for what it is, or else, turn off the
> television and read your scriptures.

> That's right. He was liberated.

> Just because a minister you know couldn't contain his sexual drive doesn't
> mean that The Mists of Avalon and its music are to blame. In fact, I bet
> Jesus Christ would be ashamed of you.

> Christian


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Re: This is total nonsense...   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (11:07 p.m.) 

Wow... i just scrolled down to the bottom of the page and saw your name next to the copyright. Then, in disbelief, I scrolled up and read your email address. You seem to be the wo/man who created this forum, and possibly a moderator. Thank you for doing so. The rest of us seem to be misusing this forum a bit, myself most definately included, but I feel that it is necessary to get this christian/pagan issue straightened out a bit, which does have a lot of relivance to the movie. Hopefully this discussion will have a happier ending than the movie =)

Thank you for being tolarant of this somewhat off topic discussion, and also for voicing your opinions.

-Meklorka

P.S. I think your name is quite a blessing - you have christian as a first name, and a traditional norse name as your last name. A mix of old culture and new - a very fortunate naming.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, July 31, 2001 (10:28 p.m.) 

This is amazing! I'm not talking about the score. I'm talking about the inflooding of Christian ethics on this site! I'm looking around me and every day, I'm seeing evidence of this phenominal Christian revolution! Just two years ago, two weeks would pass for me before I heard about God again.

And these postings only received one half-hearted counter response.

To me, the music and the film are seperate. I will listen to the music with great relish, and the film couldn't be further from my mind. In fact, I use the music to write. =

Perhaps we may still make enemies for having our beliefs, but bring them on! I have no fear!

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Saturday, August 4, 2001 (2:05 p.m.) 

This a music forum, I respect what people usually post here. Although this sort of "review" is unfitting to this forum. Religious "foisting" is not welcomed here! Please note that this is for musical reviews only.

> Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

> As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a
> father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during
> the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers
> magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back
> then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those
> images was profound on me as a young boy.

> Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took
> place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound
> impact it had on her young, curious mind.

> Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the
> Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well
> documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a
> person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people
> to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond
> that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to
> hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even
> more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are
> frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases,
> divorce, etc.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

> He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult
> establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to
> him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his
> ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his
> life around. But it all started with one magazine.

> The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have
> sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get
> caught up in pornography.

> 1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2.
> Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to
> pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed
> up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop
> Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to
> think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your
> life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in
> selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With
> God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies
> into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

> King David wrote in Psalm 40:

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
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Bah! You lied.   Sunday, August 5, 2001 (5:42 p.m.) 

Next time don't recommend a movie based in things that aren't true.

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Re: Bah! You lied.   Tuesday, May 7, 2002 (4:33 a.m.) 

> Next time don't recommend a movie based in things that aren't true.

> C. Hook

>

Who says King Arthur wasn't real? If you know that, then give me a source.
I would be very interested to know where you get your ideas from. And a movie that is based on could-be-fictional events can still be as good as any other! Personally, I highly recommend this movie. Take that Captain Hook!

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I like this movie!   Sunday, May 12, 2002 (6:18 p.m.) 

special is the music!

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Re: Bah! You lied.   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (10:41 p.m.) 

> Next time don't recommend a movie based in things that aren't true.

> C. Hook

>

Mr... uhmm, hook... was poking a bit of fun at our good friend mr. moody. See, mr. moody said there was porn in the movie... and yet there is indeed not. Therefore, Mr. Hook is feigning dissappointment...

I think Mr. Hook is an example to us all. Not once in his post did he try to convert people of other religions, make stupid remarks about other religions, or try to offend anyone. Instead, he chose to stay on topic, and tried to lighten the mood a bit.

Kudos to the Captain!

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Re: Bah! You lied.   Thursday, June 12, 2003 (7:56 a.m.) 

umm sorry c. hook The "story" of arthur is real, there is debate on the details but arther did exist. And for you information thats what you learn in your senior english class in high school no a cays Sorry if this news flash takes anyone by suprise.

> Next time don't recommend a movie based in things that aren't true.

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Proof Arthur existed   Thursday, June 26, 2003 (1:06 p.m.) 

> Next time don't recommend a movie based in things that aren't true.
> C. Hook
>

Like I said before, there is no proof Arthur never existed. In fact, historians think that King Arthur was actually a Celtic warrior. He may have been their leader or something. So Hook, you were wrong. Those are the facts. I have recently started reading the book. If you didn't like the movie, try reading the book. It's wonderful.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, August 7, 2001 (12:13 p.m.) 

Mr. Moody,

To quote the book, "The more I grow older, the more I realize that we worship the same entity, by whatever name." I am Neo-Pagan, and while I accept that incest is morally wrong (and just plain icky!) the book would be an accurate description of the times. Much of a country's nobility was blood-related in some way, and even legitamite marriages were arranged to distant family members. In any event, I've found that morals are in the mind of the person applying them. While perhaps I don't fully agree with you, I do understand where you're coming from. I admire you courage to come forward and speak your own voice. My heart goes out to those that are touched by addictions of any kind. Feel free to e-mail me, it sounds as if we might be able to engage in a good debate about this matter.

Mr. O'Connell, I'm not certain if the film has reached Australia yet, but I can tell you that no film that is only 4 hours long can do justice to the late Ms. Bradley's novel.

I'm sorry to bring this post to the wrong board, but I can never pass up a good discussion about religion.

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Can't be Pornography!   Thursday, August 9, 2001 (2:35 a.m.) 

Mists Of Avalon can't be pornography. The music is too good.

Jesus is irrelevant. Away with the Christians!



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Thursday, June 6, 2002 (10:27 a.m.) 

Ok, I am a huge fan of this movie. The mists of avolon rules ok. To say it is porn is crap, there are two scenes I wouldn't let my kids see if I had any but other than that why are people getting so riled up about. And another thing what is it with you people dissing CHRISTIANITY? so what if your a pagan, what the hell has that got to do with anything. I'm a CHRISTIAN and I have two wiccan friends, I don't judge them. It's not my place. As long as they don't push it on me I don't care whatever-THEY WILL HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES NOT ME. Oh and by the way, it is true. In bible times there was "incest" so as to make the population grow, but it was exceptible then, not anymore k. Don't go freakin dissin me either. They had no choice back then-God don't allow it no more because it isn't necessity. Today you have your pick, if you go screwing your sister...you're just sick!

But yeah I agree, Mists is so totally NOT porn. It's awesome. I mean if you don't like the pagan part just ignore it. I don't think it's cool that they mixed religions but NEWSFLASH-it happened.

So please say what you want about the movie but don't go saying you're evil becuase someone watch a freakin movie. You're wasting your time.It ain't none of your business!!! Yes, PORN IS BAD, but this movie is a far cry from it. People will watch what you want.

And by the way beleive what you want, what the hell am I going to do right,
BUT AS A FULL-FLEDGED CHRISTIAN-BORN AGAIN- YOU ALL HAVE ISSUES IF YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE gods THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE. THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE OF GOD THAN OF YOUR LITTLE FAIRY TALES OK! I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THINGS HAVE HAPPENED TO ME, I'VE PRAYED TO GOD TO HELP ME WITH CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN SOMETHING UNCOINCIDENTAL HAPPENED AND STILL DOES, THERE'S JUST NO WAY IN HELL THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD. I WON'T BELEIVE IT. NOTHING YOU OR ANYONE COULD SAY TO CHANGE THAT. SO YEAH GO CHANT YOUR LITTLE DEMONS AND FAKE MAGIC SPELLS, PRAY TO YOUR NON-EXISTING FAIRY TALES AND GO AHEAD AND WORSHIP DIRT K.

SEE HOW FAR IT GETS YA!



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, June 7, 2002 (6:50 p.m.) 

It is ignorance to think that God would make all the old religions of the Chinese, Indian, Pagan before the teachings of God and Christ were ever dicovered fall to their knees at his feet. I think that "God" in all his infinate wisdom knew that if you take 100 men and ask them what color the sky is you'll get 100 different answers. What I mean to say is all gods are one god by whatever name. And as for that "born-again christian" crap... arnt you supposed to be in heaven serving God not reincarnated? And I don't think you should be using this review to scream at us your obvious religious stability and us Pagan folk our damnation!

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Let the pagans believe what they want...   Thursday, June 13, 2002 (5:17 p.m.) 

...even if they'd rather worship the creation (earth) rather than the creator(God). It is America, after all, and God did grant man free will to flee from Him (whew! Hell at last! Now I'm safe from God!).

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Sunday, June 23, 2002 (9:51 a.m.) 

> another thing what is it with you people dissing CHRISTIANITY? so what if
> your a pagan, what the hell has that got to do with anything. I'm a
> CHRISTIAN and I have two wiccan friends, I don't judge them. It's not my
> place.Today you have your pick, if you go screwing your sister...you're just > sick! I don't think it's cool that they mixed religions but NEWSFLASH-it > happened.
> And by the way beleive what you want, what the hell am I going to do
> right, BUT AS A FULL-FLEDGED CHRISTIAN-BORN AGAIN- YOU ALL HAVE ISSUES
> IF YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE gods THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE. THERE IS MORE
> EVIDENCE OF GOD THAN OF YOUR LITTLE FAIRY TALES OK! I CAN HONESTLY SAY
> THAT THINGS HAVE HAPPENED TO ME, I'VE PRAYED TO GOD TO HELP ME WITH
> CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN SOMETHING UNCOINCIDENTAL HAPPENED
> AND STILL DOES, THERE'S JUST NO WAY IN HELL THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD. I
> WON'T BELEIVE IT. NOTHING YOU OR ANYONE COULD SAY TO CHANGE THAT. SO YEAH
> GO CHANT YOUR LITTLE DEMONS AND FAKE MAGIC SPELLS, PRAY TO YOUR
> NON-EXISTING FAIRY TALES AND GO AHEAD AND WORSHIP DIRT K.
> SEE HOW FAR IT GETS YA!

You and Ken Moody could be the best of friends, you know that? You both are against pagans and wiccanworshipers. Yet somehow you have two wiccan friends? I think you and them need to have a talk. The Goddess of the Earth will not accept this. They might not want to speak with you again if they saw your message.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Thursday, September 5, 2002 (3:27 p.m.) 

ummm, could I have the e-mail addresses and/or IMs of your wiccan friends? I'm always looking for more pagans to chat with.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (10:35 p.m.) 

Dear sir/mam-

1. If you read the first post which everyone is responding to, and which you responded to, you would see that the man posting it was a christian dissing pagans, not the other way around.

2. If you are so tolarant towards pagans, then why are you preeching to pagans and disrespecting their gods and beliefs? you too, binder. Your little comments about hell are disrespectful, as im sure you know by now.

3. Please stop trying to make people angry by insulting their beliefs. It is uncalled for, and very childish.

4. I'm sure you both... or including mr. moody, you all three have better things to do. Like reading your bible, worshiping god, attending church, and trying to improve yourself as a christian. Because, even though Jesus died for your sins, you still must EARN your way into heaven. I'm sure god would have no objections if you became a more respectful person. Remember - Jesus associated with Gentiles, and he did so in a respectful manner. Perhaps you Gentleman/Ladies should follow your lord's example in this. If you do not recall the several instances I am talking about, then you really do need to read your bible more often... instead of disrespecting others and spreading hate.

I hope that one day you are able to accept human beings into your heart as well as you did your lord.

-Meklorka

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, July 4, 2005 (6:29 p.m.) 

>i am pagan and i love that movie i believe it caputured the base of the religion and didnt twist it much like most movies do it how ever is no more a porn then movies these day and back then people wanted to keep blood line pure so they slept with family they didnt no any better so dont falt them for it plus they didnt know they were sleeping with each other it was merly a ritual they had to preform it was there duty. so dont diss on things u have to concept of please. rhi


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, February 14, 2006 (8:02 a.m.) 

> And by the way beleive what you want, what the hell am I going to do
> right,
BUT AS A FULL-FLEDGED CHRISTIAN-BORN AGAIN- YOU ALL HAVE ISSUES
> IF YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE gods THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE. THERE IS MORE
> EVIDENCE OF GOD THAN OF YOUR LITTLE FAIRY TALES OK! I CAN HONESTLY SAY
> THAT THINGS HAVE HAPPENED TO ME, I'VE PRAYED TO GOD TO HELP ME WITH
> CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN SOMETHING UNCOINCIDENTAL HAPPENED
> AND STILL DOES, THERE'S JUST NO WAY IN HELL THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD. I
> WON'T BELEIVE IT. NOTHING YOU OR ANYONE COULD SAY TO CHANGE THAT. SO YEAH
> GO CHANT YOUR LITTLE DEMONS AND FAKE MAGIC SPELLS, PRAY TO YOUR
> NON-EXISTING FAIRY TALES AND GO AHEAD AND WORSHIP DIRT K.

> SEE HOW FAR IT GETS YA!

Well you're an A** if magic is really that bad explain water into wine, parting a sea and talking to a bush.

cant wait to hear back from ya

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Saturday, August 4, 2007 (8:47 a.m.) 

> Ok, I am a huge fan of this movie. The mists of avolon rules ok. To say
> it is porn is crap, there are two scenes I wouldn't let my kids see if I
> had any but other than that why are people getting so riled up about. And
> another thing what is it with you people dissing CHRISTIANITY? so what if
> your a pagan, what the hell has that got to do with anything. I'm a
> CHRISTIAN and I have two wiccan friends, I don't judge them. It's not my
> place. As long as they don't push it on me I don't care whatever-THEY WILL
> HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES NOT ME. Oh and by the way, it is true. In
> bible times there was "incest" so as to make the population
> grow, but it was exceptible then, not anymore k. Don't go freakin dissin
> me either. They had no choice back then-God don't allow it no more because
> it isn't necessity. Today you have your pick, if you go screwing your
> sister...you're just sick!

> But yeah I agree, Mists is so totally NOT porn. It's awesome. I mean if
> you don't like the pagan part just ignore it. I don't think it's cool that
> they mixed religions but NEWSFLASH-it happened.

> So please say what you want about the movie but don't go saying you're
> evil becuase someone watch a freakin movie. You're wasting your time.It
> ain't none of your business!!! Yes, PORN IS BAD, but this movie is a far
> cry from it. People will watch what you want.

> And by the way beleive what you want, what the hell am I going to do
> right,
> BUT AS A FULL-FLEDGED CHRISTIAN-BORN AGAIN- YOU ALL HAVE ISSUES IF YOU
> BELIEVE THERE ARE gods THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE. THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE OF
> GOD THAN OF YOUR LITTLE FAIRY TALES OK! I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THINGS
> HAVE HAPPENED TO ME, I'VE PRAYED TO GOD TO HELP ME WITH CERTAIN SITUATIONS
> AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN SOMETHING UNCOINCIDENTAL HAPPENED AND STILL DOES,
> THERE'S JUST NO WAY IN HELL THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD. I WON'T BELEIVE IT.
> NOTHING YOU OR ANYONE COULD SAY TO CHANGE THAT. SO YEAH GO CHANT YOUR
> LITTLE DEMONS AND FAKE MAGIC SPELLS, PRAY TO YOUR NON-EXISTING FAIRY TALES
> AND GO AHEAD AND WORSHIP DIRT K.

> SEE HOW FAR IT GETS YA!

thats lovely and all but did it ever occur to you that maybe we are all worshipping the same person who is taking on different forms to appeal to different people, and that by insulting their god and/or goddess you are insulting your god?....just a thought



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, September 7, 2001 (1:31 a.m.) 

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in today?s world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

Any chance that you are from the bible belt? I bet you also donīt like Charles Darwin. I read the Mists of Avalon when I was ten and didnīt have any problems with the incest part (I just donīt like the book because it is not quite correct concerning the Arthurian legend). BTW you chose the wrong forum for your
point of view. This is a score site, pal.


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Wednesday, September 26, 2001 (8:05 p.m.) 

"The Mists of Avalon" is PORN??!!

Ok, you know what? This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen. Why attack this film when there are other films with even more "porn" in them than this?

Oh yeah, I forget, it also has a "pagan" theme. I happen to be a pagan, and I'm very offended at what you wrote. Don't even mention the fact that Christians stole and based many of their beliefs on pagan religions, the fact that a patron saint was based upon a god of the pagans. Oh, and what about all those wives people in the bible had? Adam and Eve's children commited "incest". Oh, yeah, I guess you would see that as being OK because it was GOD's will. And Noah and his children and their wives. They had kids who had to marry eachother. Cousins marrying cousins. If you are SOOOOOOOO rightous, then you should know that Jesus said "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, November 30, 2001 (7:08 p.m.) 

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
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BOY OH BOY do you have a serious problem if you think that this movie is pornography. This movie was one of the best that I have ever seen that had to show the true meaning of the oldest religion out there. This movie was well put together and I have watched it over and over and over again. You need to go and rewatch the movie and learn. Back in the old days there was incest, that was the natural thing back than. And many many christians were among them. You went and critized the wiccan/pagen religion. Which I believe is the most beautiful religion that I have seen. They are true to them selfs and they do not harm others.

I feel sorry for you if you ever saw a true porn.. Hate to know what you think making love really is.. DO you consider it porn??



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, February 22, 2002 (12:26 p.m.) 

Actually, the religion shown was not wiccan. These people were Druids.
Just an FYI

:-)

moodykhedge@west.alltel.net BOY OH BOY do you have a serious problem if
> you think that this movie is pornography. This movie was one of the best
> that I have ever seen that had to show the true meaning of the oldest
> religion out there. This movie was well put together and I have watched it
> over and over and over again. You need to go and rewatch the movie and
> learn. Back in the old days there was incest, that was the natural thing
> back than. And many many christians were among them. You went and critized
> the wiccan/pagen religion. Which I believe is the most beautiful religion
> that I have seen. They are true to them selfs and they do not harm others.

> I feel sorry for you if you ever saw a true porn.. Hate to know what you
> think making love really is.. DO you consider it porn??

>


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This is not Pornography   Monday, November 19, 2001 (3:24 p.m.) 

This movie is a great and is very true to the tale of Arthur. Ignore that guy Ken Moody saying this is pornography. He seems to be a born-again Christian who goes overboard with their religion and condemning everything. This story has a meaning and the scence he is complaining about has a point. I agree in one way that is has messages and images not suitable for children but children don't need to watch it. Anyway take care. Peace out.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, January 21, 2002 (2:50 a.m.) 

Hi,

I'm from Portugal, a small somewhat poor country in Europe but where most people are normally open minded!
Dear sir!!!! It is people like you so closeminded they can't see throught art, literature, etc, that make the world such a sad place sometimes....
You can't think that just your religion and your way of seeing things can be possible and all the rest is pornography..... THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT TALIBANS DO!!!

Please do not be so radical. Everobody remembers the first time they were in contact with pornography, because it is one important fact in your life. But when people are well formed they grow up to know exactly how important that is, not that much.

PatrŪcia

p.s. please pardon my english.

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Re:The Mists of Avalon is pornography.   Wednesday, May 29, 2002 (11:26 a.m.) 

Oops,a bit too late.Iagree with some people here.This is a haunting story about people involved in an intrigue(justified or not thats a completely different topic.The book is amazing and ido not think that there is any porn here.:)=

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Thursday, January 24, 2002 (8:21 p.m.) 

What a jerk. People such as you are malignant, puss-like infestations within the soul of all humanity. With such "Christians" as yourself, who needs any Satan?

The Mists of Avalon is an interesting twist on a very old theme.

Thank God for Pagans.

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The Old Religon   Wednesday, June 26, 2002 (7:34 p.m.) 

> What a jerk. People such as you are malignant, puss-like infestations
> within the soul of all humanity. With such "Christians" as
> yourself, who needs any Satan?

> The Mists of Avalon is an interesting twist on a very old theme.

> Thank God for Pagans.

I am a pagan, so thank you for being kindhearted towards we many supporters of Avalon, the Goddess, and the old religon. This is the first note where I am not angry. May the Goddess bless you and let us all into Avalon.

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Re: The Old Religon   Saturday, June 21, 2003 (10:47 a.m.) 

We are all part of the old religon in some shape or form. It,s amazing that people forget that Jesus was the greatest witch of all. Some may disagree but we still can't read the bible in full because the Pope feels that socity can't handle the truth.


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Re: The Old Religon   Friday, May 5, 2006 (5:42 p.m.) 

I saw the movie aand read the book and love them both, but now I am intrested in the old religion and want to learn as much as I can. Any help would be much loved.:D

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Re: The Old Religon   Wednesday, January 14, 2004 (11:12 p.m.) 

> I am a pagan, so thank you for being kindhearted towards we many
> supporters of Avalon, the Goddess, and the old religon. This is the first
> note where I am not angry. May the Goddess bless you and let us all
> into Avalon.

I my self do not believe, because i do nto see why, but I have sworn that if one day I will believe that I will believe in the old religon of the Avalon. Be you all blessed by the holy goddess

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Re: The Old Religon   Thursday, March 25, 2004 (4:38 p.m.) 

> Sex has been around many,many generations before Abraham,a beautiful and natural part of life I love it!Sorry pal but history show's us there was an old religon.Thankfully the Goddess is coming back to us in our lifetime to restore love,respect,and common sense.
I serve the Goddess.I soar through time and space on the breath of the Goddess. HER light and love of life shimmers in the universe a beacon of hope and love in these troubled times.
I gratefully serve the GODDESS.

Michael E Mackey

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Re: The Old Religon   Tuesday, June 15, 2004 (5:16 p.m.) 

> I am a pagan, so thank you for being kindhearted towards we many
> supporters of Avalon, the Goddess, and the old religon. This is the first
> note where I am not angry. May the Goddess bless you and let us all
> into Avalon.
i don't know what a pagan is ?

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Re: The Old Religon   Monday, August 30, 2004 (11:03 p.m.) 

>if you think for one minute that the mists if avalon are ponographic you are sadly mistaken.apparently you dont have very much knowledge on paganism. i am appauled and disgusted someone could even think a thing like that

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, February 22, 2002 (12:29 p.m.) 

Dear Ken: Lest you forget, in the Bible, both Abraham and Sara were half brother and half sister. Ruth was the product of incest as she was decsended from Lott and one of his daughters (they were in a cave and thought the world destroyed and the daughters lie with their Father)>Jesus Christ was descended from this line. The Virgin Mary and Joseph were both of the House of David, making them cousins.

It was how things were back then. Even in Biblical times.

Lest you forget!

Stephano

Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

> As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a
> father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during
> the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers
> magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back
> then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those
> images was profound on me as a young boy.

> Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took
> place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound
> impact it had on her young, curious mind.

> Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the
> Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well
> documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a
> person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people
> to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond
> that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to
> hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even
> more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are
> frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases,
> divorce, etc.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

> He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult
> establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to
> him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his
> ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his
> life around. But it all started with one magazine.

> The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have
> sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get
> caught up in pornography.

> 1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2.
> Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to
> pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed
> up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop
> Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to
> think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your
> life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in
> selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With
> God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies
> into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

> King David wrote in Psalm 40:

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
moodykhedge@west.alltel.net


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, February 25, 2002 (5:39 p.m.) 

The whole thing about "The Mists of Avalon" being porn is the most absurd thing I have ever heard! I can't believe that you would compare history with porn. This movie is one interpretation of one culture's history. Porn on the other hand is just dirty. My suggestion to you is Accept and Adjust. Times are changing and so is the content on television. Being seventeen years old, yes, I have seen porn and I don't think that it has changed me at all. Yes I think about sex, but just as much as the normal, hormone drivin teen, and Im sure, no matter how much you want to blame it on something else, all that you are talking about when you say "it affected me" is the natural hormones rushing through your body. That happens to all teens no matter how much of a sheltered life they have had. The movie "The Mists of Avalon" has some very mild nudity, nothing really bad, not once during the movie did I see a full frontal or back view of anyone and I may be mistaken but I think porn shows a bit more than collar bones and calves.

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The Mists Of Avalon, What Religion???   Saturday, July 27, 2002 (9:19 p.m.) 

Ok I one thing I don't get is this movie is about these people who believe in the goddess right? They worship her and believe that sometimes they get visions from "the sight". Well.. Did she just make this stuff up or is it based on some real religion? I was thinking it might be paganisim, but if so why is it that they believe in alot of different things than this one. If she just happened to make this stuff up on the top of her head I say that is one cool talent! I just want to know because I'm recommending this book to my friends and after they are finished with it they have no idea what religion this is talking about. So if anyone out there knows the answer to this question, please can you clear it up for me? Thanks.

P.S. By the way I give it a score of ******!

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Re: The Mists Of Avalon, What Religion???   Saturday, August 31, 2002 (6:58 p.m.) 

> I believe this is based on the Wicca religion which believes in the Goddess. Which of course comes from the pagan religions of centuries long past.
> Ok I one thing I don't get is this movie is about these people who
> believe in the goddess right? They worship her and believe that sometimes
> they get visions from "the sight". Well.. Did she just make this
> stuff up or is it based on some real religion? I was thinking it might be
> paganisim, but if so why is it that they believe in alot of different
> things than this one. If she just happened to make this stuff up on the
> top of her head I say that is one cool talent! I just want to know because
> I'm recommending this book to my friends and after they are finished with
> it they have no idea what religion this is talking about. So if anyone out
> there knows the answer to this question, please can you clear it up for
> me? Thanks.

> P.S. By the way I give it a score of ******!


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Re: The Mists Of Avalon, What Religion???   Friday, February 13, 2004 (5:58 p.m.) 

> Ok I one thing I don't get is this movie is about these people who
> believe in the goddess right? They worship her and believe that sometimes
> they get visions from "the sight". Well.. Did she just make this
> stuff up or is it based on some real religion? I was thinking it might be
> paganisim, but if so why is it that they believe in alot of different
> things than this one. If she just happened to make this stuff up on the
> top of her head I say that is one cool talent! I just want to know because
> I'm recommending this book to my friends and after they are finished with
> it they have no idea what religion this is talking about. So if anyone out
> there knows the answer to this question, please can you clear it up for
> me? Thanks.

> P.S. By the way I give it a score of ******!
its an awsome book. i luv it. and it was supposedly real stuff.i believ it. i dont think it is a porno flick though. i think it is the story of many people in a time of confict seen through the eyes of a woman as a romance where good and evil dont exist.

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Yeah right.   Monday, March 18, 2002 (9:51 a.m.) 

I love this film, especially the soudtrack. I don't think it is such a bad movie, sure it may not be suitable for young children, but I don't see how it could be considered porn. I've also noticed a lot of the music I enjoy is labeled pagan or wiccan (I'm a christian), yet the lyrics contain nothing offensive to me, I'd much rather listen to songs about fairies or nature than the mainstream songs played on the radio which often pertain to sex or drugs.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, March 19, 2002 (7:24 p.m.) 

Well to start with I am so glad to see so many pagans standing up for themselves here. Because I truly believe that is this guys problem here. I myself grew up in a christian home (and no, I will not capitalize the 'c' in christian). I never seen my parents hug or kiss, let alone think of what they might be doing behind closed doors. Because I almost believe that the only time they had sex was so my mother could become pregnant. Sex was sin. It was porn, dirty, nasty, sins. Nudity was a sin. I have rarely seen my father without a shirt, much less in his underwear.

Sex can be the most beautiful thing in the world, even animalistic sex, when the right purpose is behind it and both (or all) partys agree. Such as love, magick, or fertility. It's only wrong when it's used for control or power, such as rape. Rapists do not get off on the sex itself but the power that they hold over that person they are raping.

I have four children. My oldest is my only girl. She is 14, and she knows alot about sex. Not from porn magazines or tv, but from being raised in a family where sex is not a dirty secret. We do not hide behind our bedroom door to show our love for each other. Of course we don't go around having sex in front on them, but if they run into our bedroom to tell on each other, they know what is going on. I can hear it now...don't you lock your bedroom door? No I don't. No matter what I am doing my children know that they can come to me at ANY time. Why? Because sex is not something to be ashamed of. It is beautiful and natural. Wether it is making love or just plain screwing, it is a need we as humans have. And I will not raise my children to believe it is something that should be kept secret.

Maybe if more people would follow that route, maybe there wouldn't be as much porn addiction, rape, and other sexual disfunctions. It has been proven time and time again that sexual disfunctions start as a child. I spent many years trying to overcome feeling like sex was dirty because that is the way I was made to feel as a child. And I'll be damned if I let my own children grow up that way.

As far as porn goes, porn is what you make of it. I will give you two examples...My husband and I have a few magazines around our home, and a couple of movies. My kids don't even have an interest in them because to them it's just naked bodies. It's normal and natural, not some dirty thing to be hidden away. And just to add this in, the movies and magazines we have are not hardcore. Kinks like that, they can find out about when they are older.

Example 2...Judy and Bob live next door. Bob has a few magazines and movies too. But they keep thier sex life private. Every now and then Bob will grab Judy's butt or breast. Judy gives him a dirty look and tells him to quit before the kids see. Well guess what...now the kids WANT to see. They sneak into the bedroom and get dad's magazines out of where they are hidden, and the problem starts. All because of what they were taught, handed down through generations of christian brainwashing.

The world has seen an uprising of pagans in the last 30 years. More and more are coming home to the ways that the christians stole from us many years ago. Be it Wicca, Witchcraft, Druidism, Celtic, or whatever. Maybe our world would not be in such an inviromental nightmare if more people would hear the cry of the Goddess.

Lady Vivienne of Avalon

> Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

> As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a
> father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during
> the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers
> magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back
> then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those
> images was profound on me as a young boy.

> Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took
> place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound
> impact it had on her young, curious mind.

> Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the
> Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well
> documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a
> person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people
> to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond
> that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to
> hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even
> more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are
> frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases,
> divorce, etc.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

> He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult
> establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to
> him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his
> ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his
> life around. But it all started with one magazine.

> The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have
> sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get
> caught up in pornography.

> 1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2.
> Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to
> pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed
> up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop
> Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to
> think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your
> life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in
> selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With
> God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies
> into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

> King David wrote in Psalm 40:

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
moodykhedge@west.alltel.net


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holier than thou   Friday, March 22, 2002 (7:24 p.m.) 

Actually you're wrong. Its not that the images are "anti-Christian" They are "non-Christian" They are different. If we want everything to be Christian we'll have to go back to the Spanish inquisition and kill all the "non-believers" Seriously, I'm sorry you've had problems and everything, but this is definately not porn (I didn't really even like the movie) Nudity (which I don't recall this film having) isn't porn either, unless its tasteless and pointless. A movie like dances with wolves (has nudity) would be porn by your standard (if I understand correctly) Have an open mind (not a gullible one) I myself am Christian, but I know that its ok not to be. If you ever start to think that your faith is the only possible way, you better drop to your knees and pray for your own forgiveness, because you just might have interpreted it wrong. If you look back through history groups of Christians have very different views of the same teachings over the years. Yeah, porn is bad, but this isn't porn.

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We're all out of line, here!   Thursday, June 13, 2002 (5:03 p.m.) 

It's not our place to judge others, especially as Christians. That would make us bigots. Of course, other people trying to impose their secularist ways on us are similarly (although not recognised as) bigotted. It's not important how a group of people act, or even how one person acts, but what is in their hearts in the end, and then it is really only God's concern. All one can do is teach, and if they don't want it, don't give it. They can't say you didn't warn them, at least.

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Re: We're all out of line, here!   Friday, June 14, 2002 (8:59 a.m.) 

There aren't any secular beliefs being pushed on us, the closest thing in this movie is a pagan ritual, and no where in it did it compel any audience member to replicate it. The whole point is that just because something isn't done the same way as something you would do, doesn't make it wrong or evil. Its just done a different way. This film isn't evil and it doesn't say anything against the christian faith to the modern viewer. Its sad that some people mistake being closeminded to being faithful. Sorry folks, you aint gonna go to hell for this movie anymore than you would for telling a lie (which we all have) Try not to get caught up in all this, its just entertainment, and the music is what we're talking about, not even the "pornographic" film.

> It's not our place to judge others, especially as Christians. That would
> make us bigots. Of course, other people trying to impose their secularist
> ways on us are similarly (although not recognised as) bigotted. It's not
> important how a group of people act, or even how one person acts, but what
> is in their hearts in the end, and then it is really only God's concern.
> All one can do is teach, and if they don't want it, don't give it. They
> can't say you didn't warn them, at least.


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Yeah, James is right about a few things...   Tuesday, November 5, 2002 (10:46 p.m.) 

Watching the movie won't send any of you to hell. Unfortunately, secularism is pushed on some people. Some public schools have tried (and failed, fortunately) to stop graduates from naming Jesus as their inspiration in their graduation speeches. By the way, if anybody has noticed, very few of us Christians have tried to look clever by calling up scripture verse in our postings. Only the anti-Christians have done that, and it really does little to help their cases, since they know so little else about the good book, aside from a few stories. Anyway, this score is surprisingly good. I never expected this Lee Holdridge to be much of a composer, but I'm happily proven wrong, this go around. I just don't understand why he hasn't gotten out of the little box and onto the big screen. He might be a force to be reckoned with in Tinseltown.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography! - Please read.   Friday, April 5, 2002 (12:22 p.m.) 

Hello! When I read: The Mists of avalon is pornography! I coulden`t feel any sadder. I am from Norway and I just turned 13, but I have seen the movie and read the books (which where great) and i did not think that any of the scenes in the movie was porn! If you still think that it is pornography after reading all these comments I would like to know exactly what parts of the movie you thought was porn, so that I may understand christians and their religion better,(please e-mail me if you are interested in discussing this.) I agree with alot of the comments here on this site, but there are some things that I do not agree with such as the comment where sombody said something about "Away with the christians!". I am what you could say a pagan, but I still do not go against christians because of what they beleive in! Don`t you under stand that people will allways have different meanings and that it does not help to go against each others religion. If some of the narrow minded people had just accepted that there are some people that think different about religions, then I think the world would be a much better place!
(In my family we do not hide the topic sex, so I do know quite alot about it and then I am not tempted to look at "dirty" magazines or films.)

Have a nice day! -Logray. P.S. I appolagize to the music forum for answering this comment here, but I was afraid that if I answered on another site I woulden`t be heard, and I think the scores were great!

> Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

> As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a
> father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during
> the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers
> magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back
> then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those
> images was profound on me as a young boy.

> Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took
> place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound
> impact it had on her young, curious mind.

> Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the
> Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well
> documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a
> person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people
> to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond
> that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to
> hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even
> more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are
> frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases,
> divorce, etc.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

> He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult
> establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to
> him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his
> ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his
> life around. But it all started with one magazine.

> The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have
> sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get
> caught up in pornography.

> 1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2.
> Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to
> pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed
> up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop
> Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to
> think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your
> life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in
> selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With
> God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies
> into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

> King David wrote in Psalm 40:

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
moodykhedge@west.alltel.net


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography! - Please read.   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (9:19 p.m.) 

Well said, Logray. People of all faiths deserve to be respected, and to have their relgious beliefs respested as well. Why make everything about "us" and "them". I spent a great deal of my rather short life as a christian, and i have spent a great deal of my life as an asatruar (a norse/germanic polytheist religion). I have known a lot of christians that are completly intolarant, but also many that are very respectful and open minded about religion. The same goes for pagans of all faiths, including my own. Just because pagans are a minority in most places in the world doesnt make pagan intolarance and hate towards christians any more acceptable.

We are all human beings, and we all must live on this earth together, why not do it in peace?

-Meklorka

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Wednesday, April 17, 2002 (6:53 p.m.) 

> Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

> As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a
> father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during
> the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers
> magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back
> then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those
> images was profound on me as a young boy.

> Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took
> place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound
> impact it had on her young, curious mind.

> Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the
> Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well
> documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a
> person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people
> to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond
> that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to
> hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even
> more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are
> frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases,
> divorce, etc.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

> He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult
> establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to
> him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his
> ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his
> life around. But it all started with one magazine.

> The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have
> sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get
> caught up in pornography.

> 1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2.
> Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to
> pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed
> up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop
> Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to
> think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your
> life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in
> selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With
> God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies
> into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

> King David wrote in Psalm 40:

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
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I would like to respectfully respond to your view that "Mists of Avalon" is pornography. I understand your point that younger children should not watch this because scenes like that can disturb them at a young age. However, I believe that after a certain age, say 13 or 14, or whenever their parents think they are ready, this movie can be a very enriching experience. The whole objective of the movie is not to promote porn, it is to tell a beautiful story about the Arthurian legend. Of course it is innappropriate for children to see sexual scenes at young ages, but after they mature into their later teen years, they should know that sex is not sinful or something they should be ashamed of. I do not believe, if it is approached in a mature way, that "Mists" will urge people to fall into pornography. If they do, it is probably because they were already facing emotional problems; seeing one movie with one or two sexual scenes does not make them addicted to porn.

In addition, I would like to respond to the comments you made about the religious aspects. I believe Christianity is a wonderful religion, and it is a great choice to make. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, you seem to feel that pagans are bad or heathen because they have sex, and compared pagans and/or sex to slimy mire. I'm sure countless people share my wishes that you could respect other religions' views on sexual relations and beliefs, as we do to yours. Thank you for taking the time to read this.


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, September 3, 2002 (1:28 p.m.) 

there's no real point to this post, I just really agree with Linz and am soo glad she said what she did (much more eloquently than I ever could, thankfully)just, yay linz!

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What's wrong with The Mists of Avalon?   Thursday, June 20, 2002 (11:21 a.m.) 

The Mists of Avalon is a beautifully written story. So any one that reads The Mists of Avalon or watches the movie and finds expression of love or worship disguisting, esspecially in the form of sex this is all I have to say, go join a convent and live in chastity, become a priest and chant your prays but leave us, the priestesses, the druids, and esspecially the decendents of faery folk.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Thursday, June 6, 2002 (12:11 p.m.) 

I believe that the Mists of Avalon was a great movie. I have read all the books in the series, and although it is not quite like the book, it was great.

To those who think it is porn, yes there is sexuality in it. It is a very important part of the story that could not be cut out. sex is a very real part of our lives, and it has always been and it always will be. So if you are worried about kids seeing this movie, then don't let them watch it. It's as simple as that.

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Why is everyone against me?   Friday, May 17, 2002 (11:23 a.m.) 

Why is everyone against me. I'm pagan, i am not all into sex. I hate it when people assume that i'm into oragies and the rest. People read books or see movies like Mists of Avalon and think that we'er all Pornstars AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE YOU ALL.

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Re: Why is everyone against me?   Sunday, June 23, 2002 (9:16 a.m.) 

> Why is everyone against me. I'm pagan, i am not all into sex. I hate it
> when people assume that i'm into oragies and the rest. People read books
> or see movies like Mists of Avalon and think that we'er all Pornstars
> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE YOU ALL.

I am a christian, but I have absolutely nothing against pagans. I do not even have the idea in my mind of you being a pornstar! I believe in other faiths and religons outside my own. One of the best parts in this movie is the message of there is our God of Heaven and our Goddess of the Earth. Why can't everyone take that comment and believe it?

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Re: Why is everyone against me?   Thursday, June 27, 2002 (6:52 p.m.) 

> I am a christian, but I have absolutely nothing against pagans. I do
> not even have the idea in my mind of you being a pornstar! I believe in
> other faiths and religons outside my own. One of the best parts in this
> movie is the message of there is our God of Heaven and our Goddess of the
> Earth. Why can't everyone take that comment and believe it?

I messed up on one small detail that should make Imara and Elza happy and the Christians upset. Because of the unspeakable sadness I found from reading the notes of the Christians that condemn we priestesses of the Goddess, I changed my faith a few months ago. I am now a druid. I have been reading these comments for months, but I forgot about my now being a pagan when a wrote this. In my other note titled How dare you?! I remembered and said I am a pagan.

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Re: Why is everyone against me?   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (9:01 p.m.) 

> I messed up on one small detail that should make Imara and Elza happy and
> the Christians upset. Because of the unspeakable sadness I found from
> reading the notes of the Christians that condemn we priestesses of the
> Goddess, I changed my faith a few months ago. I am now a druid. I have
> been reading these comments for months, but I forgot about my now being a
> pagan when a wrote this. In my other note titled How dare you?! I
> remembered and said I am a pagan.

Why must there be this rift between christians and pagans? we must learn to live in peace... i think the mists of avalon sorta shows why.

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Re: Why is everyone against me?   Tuesday, September 3, 2002 (1:06 p.m.) 

virgin huntress lady is my new best friend! This is exactly what I was talking about! You are the best! ......yay!

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Re: Why is everyone against me?   Saturday, January 10, 2004 (4:40 a.m.) 

> I am a christian, but I have absolutely nothing against pagans. I do
> not even have the idea in my mind of you being a pornstar! I believe in
> other faiths and religons outside my own. One of the best parts in this
> movie is the message of there is our God of Heaven and our Goddess of the
> Earth. Why can't everyone take that comment and believe it?

OK first off I have to say that I am also a christian and I also don't try and pressure pagans or any other people to convert and as a matter of fact one of my friends in school was an Atheist.
the point is that people CAN get along with one another but also a more pressing thing that I have to say is that although the fact remains that I know that people of differences can be friends; we as a Christian cannot Believe in two different Gods.
Because of the fact that God says that You shall not have any other gods besides me and Believing in "mother earth" and Jesus at the same time IS Idolitry.
The Bible also states that you can only serve one master, whom you choose is up to you, The reason I don't force Jesus on anyone is because that is between them and God and sooner or later God will speak to them, I only talk to People about Jesus if they have questions on the Bible or something they don't understand.
there is so much I would love to share with the world but it's all about God's timing for God to bring someone to you so that we who are christians can be a witness.
I am 23 and I have looked at other religons and I know that I have chosen something that is true, it's much more then Just Believing too though, you have to move out of the Relm of Belief and into the Relm of Experience.
I moved onto the relm of Experiece and I am all that much better for it,
It's Like of a boy sees a heater and his father comes over and says "now son don't touch It Because it's hot." now the son want to see if his father is telling the truth so he reaches out and touches the heater and burns his hand.
the boy has now moved out of the Relm of Belief and into the Relm of Experience!
P.S. I don't Judge anyone because thats Gods job and I don't want to do something thats not my responsibility.

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How dare you?!   Sunday, June 23, 2002 (9:36 a.m.) 

> Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

May the Goddess of the Earth and the God of Heaven smite you down for saying such things! Ken Moody, I am a teenager, yet my parents and I have no problem with watching this movie. They even taped The Mists of Avalon for me the second time it was on TV because I asked for it! They did so knowing that it would then be avaible to my two younger siblings, one of whom is only four! How can you make such terrible comments about a movie that is mainly about a religon and a kingdom both fighting to survive? Altogether there is about 5 minutes of what you claim to be porn. If you didn't like the messages this movie sends, that love could run deeper than you think, that you should never stop believing, then you should have turned off the movie! I am the Virgin Huntress, friend of both pagans and christians alike, you shall pay!

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Re: How dare you?!   Saturday, July 27, 2002 (9:35 p.m.) 

Is Pagan the exact same as in the movie about the goddess and stuff?

> May the Goddess of the Earth and the God of Heaven smite you down for
> saying such things! Ken Moody, I am a teenager, yet my parents and
> I have no problem with watching this movie. They even taped The Mists of
> Avalon for me the second time it was on TV because I asked for it! They
> did so knowing that it would then be avaible to my two younger siblings,
> one of whom is only four! How can you make such terrible comments about a
> movie that is mainly about a religon and a kingdom both fighting to
> survive? Altogether there is about 5 minutes of what you claim to be porn.
> If you didn't like the messages this movie sends, that love could run
> deeper than you think, that you should never stop believing, then you
> should have turned off the movie! I am the Virgin Huntress, friend of both
> pagans and christians alike, you shall pay!


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Re: How dare you?!   Tuesday, September 3, 2002 (1:23 p.m.) 

yes and no. It all depends on what type of paganism you practice. The connection to nature and the worship of the goddess are the same, but in wicca we also worship the god, who is seperate but equale to the Lady. And no, we can't make mist move with our minds, at least I can't.:)

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Re: How dare you?!   Tuesday, May 20, 2003 (7:46 p.m.) 

> yes and no. It all depends on what type of paganism you practice. The
> connection to nature and the worship of the goddess are the same, but in
> wicca we also worship the god, who is seperate but equale to the Lady. And
> no, we can't make mist move with our minds, at least I can't.:)

> -gabs

Don't forget the polytheist pagans too, that worship a whole lot more than just the Goddess and the God of wicca, and a whole lot differently too. The word "Paganism" is a lot like the word "Monotheist" in the way that it describes a group of religions. The pagan religions are a lot more deverse and numerous than the monotheist ones, but thats probably because there are three monotheist religions, and all three originated in the same general area. Paganism is very old, and was and is practised in many different forms throughout the world.

i, of course, am not trying to convert anyone, or trying to make one group of religions seem better than the other, but am simply trying to factually inform people.

And, getting back to the subject of the soundtrack... it was lovely. Loreena McKennit is a particularly talented vocalist and harpist, and her talents complimented the film perfectly.

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Jessica Dey
Calling it porn is a bit much.   Tuesday, June 25, 2002 (3:29 p.m.) 

Saying it like that made you sound a little too abrasive, buddy. I personally find a lot of truth and comfort in Christ, and who cares if they don't like it. I don't. It's not my problem. In the end, it is our lone souls and our hearts that will be judged, not over who we've helped or hurt. But at least it's consoling to be able to say you've told them so. Indignance and vanity is what they hide behind, and we can't win 'em all.

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Re: Calling it porn is a bit much.   Thursday, August 1, 2002 (9:13 a.m.) 

Ok let me statr

Ken get over it and your reatarded ways of trying to attack a faith of which you know so little, umm by the way i Love Mists of Avalon, read the book, watched the movie many times, adore the MUSic. I am of Druid descent and was initiated by my cousin into the ways of the Goddess of Avalon. I mean OMG get over it by the way alot of what you saw in Mists was based around modern Wicca and more resembles that than Ancient Druidism, whichever way you look at her worship it is beautiful and i hope she gives you all a bit of the sight, SOME OF YOU SO NEED IT. Now i am going to watch my pirated Video City copy of Mists!!!

Blessed Be

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the mists of avalon is porn   Monday, July 8, 2002 (9:30 p.m.) 

i am a 14 year old student, who is in yr 9 at my local skool.
i watched the mists of avalon at a friends house, and found no trace of porn what so ever.
you should go the the local skools, and see what is taught in sex ed there, we watch videos of cartoons having sex, and real pictures of people naked, but do you put these under the terms of pornography??
no, it is just teachers showing students, when the time arises how to have sex safely, and how we are concieved.
what would happen if this wasnt shown to us in high skool?
aids would be an epidemic, as we wouldn;t know what a condom is, and the population would be tripled, all because the world was scared of pornography.
sure, theere was incest, but later on in the movie, it also gives out the message of incest is wrong, but morgaine never even knew it was her brothere, until later on, so it wasn't done on purpose.
this film was set in the late 400s, to the early 500s, so how was morgaine, or any of the charaters sopposed to knwo about pornography??, there was no internet, no adult magazines.
the minister that you wrote about in you comments, he could have turned away, or thown the magazine in the bin, but instead he LET HIMSELF open it up, and have a look, and probably injoyed the feeling that he got when he had a good look.

tell me, do you and your wife enjoyy each others company in bed at night??
or do you sleep in seperate beds, like those in the early 50s??

do you like to hold hands, and kiss, and hug, or is that too, a form of pornography?

what about movies such as ghosts?? or any other movie with a sex scene in it?
do you forbid it?

it only natural to have sex, and to produce a next generation, eve had children, but it was also said that it was a sin because eve had so many, is it not, and that all sin came from females, so that every female that has sex, is she also a sinner??

you can't shelter your self from the world, as this is now.
if you have kids, can you imagine the teasing the will get, when they ask what certain terms mean, and everyone else knows, but they don't.

there was no parts shown, so it couldn't have been porno.

open your eyes up, and see the real world, not the make belive one, thats in your head

Jess

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, July 8, 2002 (9:29 p.m.) 

i am a 14 year old student, who is in yr 9 at my local skool.
i watched the mists of avalon at a friends house, and found no trace of porn what so ever.
you should go the the local skools, and see what is taught in sex ed there, we watch videos of cartoons having sex, and real pictures of people naked, but do you put these under the terms of pornography??
no, it is just teachers showing students, when the time arises how to have sex safely, and how we are concieved.
what would happen if this wasnt shown to us in high skool?
aids would be an epidemic, as we wouldn;t know what a condom is, and the population would be tripled, all because the world was scared of pornography.
sure, theere was incest, but later on in the movie, it also gives out the message of incest is wrong, but morgaine never even knew it was her brothere, until later on, so it wasn't done on purpose.
this film was set in the late 400s, to the early 500s, so how was morgaine, or any of the charaters sopposed to knwo about pornography??, there was no internet, no adult magazines.
the minister that you wrote about in you comments, he could have turned away, or thown the magazine in the bin, but instead he LET HIMSELF open it up, and have a look, and probably injoyed the feeling that he got when he had a good look.

tell me, do you and your wife enjoyy each others company in bed at night??
or do you sleep in seperate beds, like those in the early 50s??

do you like to hold hands, and kiss, and hug, or is that too, a form of pornography?

what about movies such as ghosts?? or any other movie with a sex scene in it?
do you forbid it?

it only natural to have sex, and to produce a next generation, eve had children, but it was also said that it was a sin because eve had so many, is it not, and that all sin came from females, so that every female that has sex, is she also a sinner??

you can't shelter your self from the world, as this is now.
if you have kids, can you imagine the teasing the will get, when they ask what certain terms mean, and everyone else knows, but they don't.

there was no parts shown, so it couldn't have been porno.

open your eyes up, and see the real world, not the make belive one, thats in your head

Jess

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Boy that stinks!   Thursday, July 11, 2002 (7:41 a.m.) 

This is nothing more than a smelly load of crap. There's a difference between faith and religion, but our little friend doesn't know about it.

Life would be "so" much better if we all lived in a christian world. Right? (that's sarcasm)

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, July 23, 2002 (5:59 a.m.) 

First off i dout this movie is a porn. Porn shows the everything and this movie was shown on TNT. They never showed nudity.
You make it sound as if that this movie was made just to piss you off. If you think your kids are too young to watch this movie, then don't let them. But don't think you can sheild your kids from every thing. What are you going to do when they grow up and leave the house?
There are worse things out there than Porn.

P.S. This is a site about the score to Mist of Avalon. So next time post you something here make sure its about the score and not how the movie offended you.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, April 25, 2003 (2:13 p.m.) 

i am a 14 year old boy (of the Old Religion) and i do not think that you should label The Mists Of Avalon pornagraphy. As many people have already said your bible has lots of . . . pornography, if you will, and yet I nor any one else in my family labled it as an EVIL book, or what have you. I personally loved the book and the movie. I thing it portraied the history as good as any movie could with the infromation that we now have (yes the infromation that christians burned). No offense to those good harted christians that are open to other religions. It was the chritians in that time and so you cannot be blamed.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, April 28, 2003 (3:39 p.m.) 

I never said it was pornography, it was that Ken Moody guy.

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Re: The MUSIC !!! to The Mists of Avalon *NM*   Wednesday, November 26, 2003 (2:09 p.m.) 



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Re: It is all about the MUSIC   Wednesday, November 26, 2003 (2:20 p.m.) 

It makes my heart glad to hear there are many Christians out there (or at least like to think they are). Great, but this web site is about the MUSIC.

The music to this film is by no means a memorable score, but Lee Holdridge successfully composed a very moving film score that combines a symphonic sound with an ethnic flavor.

I never saw the film, but like most movies made for TV, I think the best part of the film most likely is the music.

I would rate the score to this film a 3.5 stars out of 5 stars.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, September 3, 2002 (1:16 p.m.) 

okay, i'm haven't read any of your responces yet so sorry if I'm repeating what other people already said but wow, wow, you have a problem with sexuality. Sex is goooooood. No sex = no people. Also, Mists of Avalon......NOT PORN!!!!!!! Duh! It's showing you a beautiful ritual passed down through the ages that celebrates humanity, pleasure, and life at it's very source!!!! What if I skimed through a bible and stopped , completely out of context, and read a bit about some guy with four wives and said "Ewwwwwww, that's porn!!!!". it would not be a good thing!

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religious aspect should have been omitted   Thursday, September 12, 2002 (1:12 a.m.) 

Music-was good for the mood. The pageantry in Camelot is preferable. The book does speak how a knighted becomes knighted in those days. This embodies all man's dream of Utopia. It is a study of man's ambition, greed, lust, power,dreams, which remain today & is still the root of problems..I find the evil sister akin to Cardinal Richlieu during the French Revolution. I think you had a done a good job of it. I think the religious aspect should have been omitted. Thank you for a good bed time story!

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Re: religious aspect should have been omitted   Sunday, December 8, 2002 (12:11 p.m.) 

> Music-was good for the mood. The pageantry in Camelot is preferable. The
> book does speak how a knighted becomes knighted in those days. This
> embodies all man's dream of Utopia. It is a study of man's ambition,
> greed, lust, power,dreams, which remain today & is still the root of
> problems..I find the evil sister akin to Cardinal Richlieu during the
> French Revolution. I think you had a done a good job of it. I think the
> religious aspect should have been omitted. Thank you for a good bed time
> story!

What's your native language, man? Because if you actually have a PhD,I don't think it's English. Your ideas are....interesting, but I think they're totally off base. The Mists of Avalon is not a bed time story, it's a spiritual novel written for older readers. It's not especially historically accurate, but it's a beautiful retelling and, for me, it brought a whole new religous outlook.I don't think the religous aspects should have been omitted, I think that would completely destroy the point of the story, and as someone who has read the book, I think that the movie distorted and left out a lot of the important details which made the novel so interesting. By the way, I do think the soundtrack is awesome. The movie introduced me to Loreena McKinnet.

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Re: religious aspect should have been omitted   Monday, December 16, 2002 (11:06 a.m.) 

i think that religion was the root of the story, and it would have not been the same without it. i agree that the soundtrack was wonderful, but i'm not quite sure what you were trying to say... for me it was and is a very thought provoking and spiritual story.

> Music-was good for the mood. The pageantry in Camelot is preferable. The
> book does speak how a knighted becomes knighted in those days. This
> embodies all man's dream of Utopia. It is a study of man's ambition,
> greed, lust, power,dreams, which remain today & is still the root of
> problems..I find the evil sister akin to Cardinal Richlieu during the
> French Revolution. I think you had a done a good job of it. I think the
> religious aspect should have been omitted. Thank you for a good bed time
> story!


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, October 22, 2002 (5:46 p.m.) 

In response to the comments about pornography and Mists of Avalon being viewed as such I would like to say that it is an incorrect response. The Mists of Avalon portrays a society which maintained a particular belief, one of which is that the human body is not shameful, but is sacred. The beliefs expressed within the book, and the movie (although the movie does not fully portray to provide full explanations) is that the body is a vessel to be utilized by a power greater than us. It is not meant to be pornographic or immoral, but to show the humanity we all have. For too many years the human body is thought to be a vessel to hide (particularly in Western society. We need to get past this aspect and realize that the story is historical and as such has a great deal of merit. The religious aspect of the movie portrays a society that held belief in the duality of the higher spirit and a firm belief that the human mind is capable of much more than we believe today. We as humans utilize a very small portion of our capacity - it is available to all of us if we tap it. I believe what I find to be most stressful is the fact that so many people of other faith than Wiccan can so easily find fault. As a Wiccan I have my beliefs and do not force it on others, nor do I condemn others. It is not for any one of us to question the beliefs of others or condemn them; but rather, to accept the differences with respect, bearing in mind that if a person believes in a higher spirit that is what matters. If an individual finds certain aspects of the religion offensive; do not watch the program. I find much more references that could potentially be considered immoral or pornographic in the Bible than I ever have in material that is truly Wiccan.

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Re: Thatīs going a bit too far...   Thursday, October 31, 2002 (7:50 a.m.) 

I read your "manifesto" and most of the replies and I think your position is somewhat extreme. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and you are completely free to state your views but don't you think you're going a bit too far on this one? I mean, "Mists of Avalon" were based on a book, that I, for one, haven't read. I was somewhat surprised with the movie and the story itself, but, in the end, it's just a story. A story about people raised with different beliefs than yours, a story about an imaginary world filled with people we know since forever. I think it's a good contribution for the myth of Camelot, King Arthur, Lancelot, Gwenhwyfar... It would be very boring to think of Merlin just as he was in the Disney movie "The Sword in the Stone".
I think "The Mists of Avalon" (the movie, since I haven't read the book) deserves all the respect. It has great performances, great music, lovely costumes, beautiful scenary, in short, it's an eyeful! If you feel ofended by the story, then don't watch it, but you shouldn't "label" it as pornography because it's far from being that.
Don't be so strict on movies and books or you'll end up just reading Louisa May Alcott and watching Jane Austen movies!

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Sunday, November 17, 2002 (8:11 p.m.) 

Oh Ken... I am so sorry for your early experiences. They have clearly hurt you very much. There were many things in this story that are disturbing, as there are in any recounting of legend or life based on real events. The anger you feel is not new. It is the main theme in The Mists of Avalon and that part is real...not legend. Much has been lost over time, but the fact that Christianity bludgeoned, coerced and tricked people into submission is exactly that - a fact. Remember, we now celebrate Christmas in December and Easter in the spring. But we still celebrate with greenery, candles and roaring fires...and bunnies and eggs (fertility in case you are unfamiliar) and all of these things are from the old religion - including the time of celebration. In The Mists of Avalon, one statement has stood out for me apart from all others - "All Gods are One God". So I shall not mock yours, and I ask you not to mock mine. For we would only mock ourselves.

> Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

> As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a
> father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during
> the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers
> magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back
> then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those
> images was profound on me as a young boy.

> Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took
> place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound
> impact it had on her young, curious mind.

> Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the
> Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well
> documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a
> person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people
> to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond
> that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to
> hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even
> more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are
> frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases,
> divorce, etc.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

> He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult
> establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to
> him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his
> ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his
> life around. But it all started with one magazine.

> The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have
> sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get
> caught up in pornography.

> 1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2.
> Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to
> pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed
> up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop
> Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to
> think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your
> life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in
> selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With
> God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies
> into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

> King David wrote in Psalm 40:

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
moodykhedge@west.alltel.net


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, December 16, 2002 (10:55 a.m.) 

the mists of avalon is not pornography. pornography, in my opinion, is the abuse of sexuality. the mists of avalon explores sexuality and speaks openly about it. there is a difference. it is a wonderful movie, based on an even more wonderful book. it is an empowering story which portrays women as people with power, not as submissive and dutiful, nor "the means by which evil came into the world." the story speaks of equality, it speaks of god and goddess, mother and father, it tells us that sexuality is not a sin, our bodies are not sinful. and they aren't. i respect you and your religion, yet i disagree with you. if you must attack pornography, you would do well to choose a better example! children using the internet for research happen upon things MUCH more disgusting then anything in this movie, totally by accident. i suggest you start there, where it really can be a problem. the movie has powerfull messages that you will see if you are willing to overlook the things you don't agree with.



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, December 16, 2002 (11:03 a.m.) 

> Recently my wife Diane and I were discussing the problem of pornography.
> We both vividly could remember our first encounter with porn. The issue of
> porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions
> of incest and anti-Christian imagery in the TNT film, The Mists of Avalon.
> We both feel that this film sends a disgusting and unacceptable message to
> children and adults.

> As a boy about of 8 or 9 years old I had a neighbor friend who had a
> father who subscribed to Playboy. Both of this kidís parents worked during
> the day and so we had a free run of their home, including his fathers
> magazines. This was in the early sixties and what you saw in Playboy back
> then you can easily see on network TV today. But the impact of those
> images was profound on me as a young boy.

> Diane too remembers her first encounter with pornographic images. It took
> place at a home where she was a babysitter. She too remembers the profound
> impact it had on her young, curious mind.

> Well, over 30 years later folks all over the country are connecting to the
> Internet and watching cable films like The Mists of Avalon. It is well
> documented that the core of most addiction problems start during a
> person's childhood. This is why it is so incredibly important for people
> to filter their Internet access and television viewing. But even beyond
> that, it is important to be very careful where they allow their kids to
> hang out. Many researchers believe that for some men pornography is even
> more addictive than narcotics. And its implications for the family are
> frightening - wife abuse, child abuse, incest, infectious diseases,
> divorce, etc.

> I read a story written by a minister who became addicted to pornography.
> It started very innocently. He had purchased a new home and while they
> were moving in he discovered a hardcore pornographic magazine left behind
> by the previous owner. Out of curiosity he looked through it. He was never
> the same.

> He ultimately fell headfirst into pornography, then started visiting adult
> establishments, then got involved with prostitutes, all of which led to
> him becoming suicidal. Finally after a total breakdown and loss of his
> ministry, and near loss of his wife, he got into counseling and turned his
> life around. But it all started with one magazine.

> The pastor I mentioned above now is involved in ministry to those who have
> sexual addictions. He lists these eight steps to take for those who get
> caught up in pornography.

> 1. Repent - admit you have a problem - ask God for forgiveness.
2.
> Change your environment - eliminate the avenues that allow you access to
> pornography
3. Discover Godís love - no matter how bad you have messed
> up God still loves you and wants to see you turn it around.
4. Develop
> Godly relationships - folks that will hold you accountable
5. Begin to
> think long term. Donít dwell on past failures. Develop a plan for your
> life from now on.
6. Discover servanthood. Most sin is rooted in
> selfishness. Learn to serve others.
7. Expect total deliverance - With
> God all things are possible!
8. Take up the fight. Pour your energies
> into fighting pornography instead of falling to pornography.

> King David wrote in Psalm 40:

> "I waited patiently for the Lord; he turned to me and heard my cry.
> He lifted me out to of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; and set my
> feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand, He put a new song in my
> mouth, and a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put
> their trust in the Lord!"

> Diane and I urge you to resist The Mists of Avalon. We very well could be
> saving many folks the heartache that can come with exposure to
> pornographic images. Can we stop all of the garbage accessible to people
> in todayís world - no. But we can help people protect themselves from the
> onslaught.

> Ken Moody
moodykhedge@west.alltel
hello ken,
i am a teenager. the mists of avalon i one of my favorite movies and in my opinion the book is a masterpiece! it is based on a story. it is wrong to judge the movie on a pornographic scale. i consider myself pagan,and i would NEVER dream of sleeping with anyone related to me. you cannot judge another religion just because you don't like it.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Saturday, January 4, 2003 (5:34 p.m.) 

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and your belief system. That does not give you the right to degrade the beliefs of others. Question: how many of your 'christian' leaders have 'sinned'? How many children have been molested or exposed to real pornography in your belief system? I think you most likely have no idea. The Old Religion, is not evil. Nor is this wonderful story - the book and the movie. Excuse me, but how did you know about it to make such a judgement if you did not watch it yourself? This has always fascinated me how 'christians' do this. Personally, I am appalled at your extensive comments. But then, that is so typical of such a rigid and dogmatic belief system. What about "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgement you judge, you will be judged, and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you?" Matthew 7:1-2
I suggest you think before you speak against things you know nothing about.



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Thursday, October 16, 2003 (10:42 a.m.) 

It is abundantly clear that all the professed bible beaters have no clue what they are saying about this film. If you took the time to examine the nature of what is being conveyed you would realize this was the way things were at that particular time. Looking back in history, the deep south, the speech of the time; by today's standards was appalling, however, when you look at the time, this was acceptable to many people.

Maybe the meaning of this film went over your head and you can't envision the true meaning. While you continue your holy crusade to have other's side with you, take a good look at yourself, you may be surprised at what you find.

By the way, nobody forced you to watch this movie.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Friday, December 19, 2003 (12:07 a.m.) 

> I may be a bit out of date with response ,i have just found this site but I would like to say , What is the difference between The mist of avalon ,and the garden of eden ,werent we all surposed to have come from cain and able having sex with ther sisters and mother .I have always found that distasteful ,I am a person of the old religion ,It seems some people have selective memorys , There are some who would still like to burn people at the stake if they dont believe what they want them to.


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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, September 1, 2003 (10:22 p.m.) 

I bet you would've been very happy living in the Christian-dominated Middle Ages wherein anything non-Christian was scandalous. This situation is just one of the many examples that people speak ill of something that they have no clear understanding of.

Firstly, the Romans (Christianized Romans) invade Britain and lord over the people like they own the land. They round up the 'barbarians' and force a foreign religion down their throats and threatened those who did not submit. How would you like it if you're minding your own business and then someone barges into your house and forces a foreign religion down your throat and threatened you?

As for 'anti-Christian', you obviously didn't see the big picture. In the story, Viviane was disturbed by the ways Christianity spread itself (killing pagans, burning sacred groves, lying, educated ignoramouses aka the priests back then) and its disrespect for the Old Religion. Arthur's reign is about the Old Religion and Christianity coexisting and not being at each other's throats. Plus, Avalon is not unholy. Joseph of Arimathea went to Avalon and struck his staff on the ground before he went to sleep. When he woke up a thorny bush began growing he placed his staff. Would the Holy Thorn grow on an unholy land?

I am a Christian and I don't think there's anything offensive about The Mists of Avalon. The problem lies in narrowminded ignoramouses.

"To be ignorant of many things is expected
To know your are ignorant of many things is the beginning of wisdom.
To know a category of things of which you are ignorant is the beginning of learning.
To know the details of that category of things of which you were ignorant is to no longer be ignorant."
óPhenella in The Unwritten Comedy.

May the Lord our God enlighten you, and the Mother guide your path.

O.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography! - Sick Man   Sunday, September 7, 2003 (7:30 a.m.) 

Ken Moody wrote on behalf of his holy belief: >>>The issue of porn was raised tonight again because of the blatantly unholy depictions of incest... :::snip:: <<<<

Failing to mention the almost constant war, killing and so on going on in the name of the christian god... yet, bothered by no more showing than a slight of a kiss (porn?) The bulldozing of christianity at the expense of the Old Religion.

This bothers me not only in this film -- where the musical score was excelent BTW -- but in many peoples thoughts the tad of sex is so much more unacceptable than the hour or more of war and battles and violence.

If this moment of a kiss under the covers is so erotic to Ken... kind of like... ewww... wondering if a person is what they focus on? If so, speaks volumes for Ken and his focus.

The book is WAY better than the film but the film is good entertainment too -- the music is wonderful the battles are a bit too bloody for my tastes but over all I rate the film 5 stars.

If I have any reservations about my 6 year old seeing the film it is about the violence ... not the kiss (and a kiss IS all we "see") hardly porn *rolls eyes* if a kiss is now going to become porn probably better take 99% of TV programing off the air now!

GET A GRIP! Or sit back and relax to the lovely sound track

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Delightful, not porno   Monday, May 6, 2002 (8:53 a.m.) 

I was completely enthralled by the film and although it had a touch of darkness and tragedy to it Ė this is true of life. The cinematography was superb and the story coming from Morgaina's view was refreshing and new. (I rushed out and bought the book the next day, which cannot wait to begin reading.)

I loved the magic, which can be both beautiful and terrifying. The movie is a complete and utter MUST, if you were brought up believing in fairies and knights in shining armour Ė just this time you may just find that knight within yourself!

To the gent who described the movie as pornographic *shakes head sadly* - you are the epitome of what makes people - not turn away, but run away screaming from your 'religion'. Judge not Ďbrotherí.... mmmn, sure that is somewhere in your book of rules....

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Not porno...   Sunday, December 28, 2003 (9:25 a.m.) 

The score is very beautiful and very calm. The Mists of Avalon is not pornography, is a film that i love very much.And stop saying that.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, April 6, 2004 (1:43 p.m.) 

Perhaps you and your wife would have been less offended by the movie if you had been properly educated about sex and sexuality rather than learning about it from cheap porn magazines.

The statement that The Mists of Avalon is pornography seems to me to come from an idea often presented by religious establishments: that sex is evil and that the only way to "protect" one's children from it is to keep them so ignorant that they cry "Porn!" at the sight of anything remotely sexual... a practice you seem to be a quite obvious victim of.

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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Tuesday, April 6, 2004 (1:46 p.m.) 

In addition, (as stated by others) the incest involved in the movie is between siblings who do not know each other's identities. Both suffer deep pain and guilt once they found out what truly happened. The message, actually, seems to be quite pro-Christian in stating that "all Gods are one God", not to mention the scene of Excalibur changing into a cross.

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What's wrong with incest?   Monday, July 5, 2004 (3:58 p.m.) 

My older brother was a hot hunk when we were both teenagers, and it was easier having sex with him than anybody else because he was always in the house at night. Sometimes I just got really horny and needed someone right away. I think we had sex, maybe, 200 times in a few years. Now he's a total dickhead of course, and I am living away from my stupid parents, so there are other guys.



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Re: What's wrong with incest?   Monday, July 5, 2004 (4:22 p.m.) 

Damn girl, I wish I had been an exchange student living in YOUR house!



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Re: The Mists of Avalon is pornography!   Monday, July 5, 2004 (4:03 p.m.) 

I AM THE ONE FOR WICH THE GOD APOLLO TOLD TO JUST SAY YOUR AN IMPERIALITE.

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