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Comments about the soundtrack for Pirates of the Caribbean (Klaus Badelt and co.)

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• Posted by: Drew C.   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2015, at 8:52 p.m.
• IP Address: pool-68-238-198-211.phil.east.verizon.net
• In Response to: NO NO NO (Vincent)

> I usually like your incredibly cool and unbiased approach to scores, but
> this is just over the top...

> First of all, you really have an obsession with composers having to do
> research. Explain to me why Zimmer and co should have gone to Disneyland
> if the director didn't ask them to do so. Wouldn't he have said he wanted
> a Disney-inspired theme in there if he wanted it?

The film itself was born from the Disneyland ride. It only seems logical that the composers should have done that research.

> You also simply cannot understand that times are changing: we have left
> the symphonic John Williams era, whether you like that or not. I am not
> saying that Zimmer's music isn't brainless and derivative at times, but who
> are we to mock him if that's what people want from him? If I could make a
> fortune by writing stupid music, I'd do it straightaway, anyone would!

> As for the music being obnoxious, I just don't think that's true. It
> becomes obnoxious only when you start listening hoping for an epic James
> Horner score.

The music sounds obnoxious because the orchestral performance is completely overrun with synthesizers that have aged awfully. A re-recording with a real orchestras would help it to sound better.

> Then, the themes. How, HOW I ask you, are they 'tepid' and unmemorable?
> How?! If Williams comes up with a childish fanfare for Indiana Jones it's
> the best theme mankind will ever produce, but if Zimmer does it, by God
> let's hate it!

I don't think that the themes are necessarily unmemorable. They just aren't developed very intelligently through the course of the score.

> Which brings me to another point. You write about the debate these scores
> unleashed and about the music being popular with mainstream audiences.
> Instead of looking down on those people, how about giving Zimmer some
> praise for that? Can I gently tell you that 99% of the common folk don't
> recognise Patrick Doyle, Jerry Goldsmith or Rachel Portman even if you
> threaten them with a gun? You are so compulsively busy hating Zimmer's
> music that you fail to apreciate this score's sheer influence. Or is your
> main problem that film music should always remain a private, elitist
> thing? I'll tell you which consequences this mindset has. I once tried to
> do some background reading on Doyle's Goblet of Fire. The only, literally
> the ONLY stupid quote I was able to track down was that he wrote 'a
> zillion themes for i't. One, he didn't, and two, can one be less
> informative? Then, about being original. I loved Goblet of Fire, and so
> did you, but it wasn't an original score! It had the same LSO as other
> scores do, but you didn'tm ind that, did you?

This score's influence has been a problem not because of the non-film music fans of it, but rather the fact that producers and studio executives think that using forcing composers to emulate Zimmer's style and write brainless music is the key to having a high-grossing film.

> You might hate Zimmer's 'rock star/media star/celibrity' approach, but at
> least we know things about him, At least we can listen to interviews and
> read the fascinating facts behind his style and the scores! I agree that
> the album is indeed a ridiculous showcasing of the same themes. Zimmer is
> a useless album producer, I grant you that.

> And finally, for the love of God, please, PLEASE quit having a go at these
> fucking ghostwriters! Prepare for another gentle epiphany. Has it ever
> crossed your mind that it might be rather difficult for composers to
> pretend that they're Hans Zimmer, or anyone else for that matter? You gave
> Ross praise for emulating Williams's style in HP2, but when RPC does it,
> it's all useless? What IS it with you and Zimmer!

The problem is that composers are being forced to sound like Hans Zimmer instead of developing their own styles! The circumstance with Ross having to emulate Williams for HP2 was a one-time thing; Zimmer uses ghostwriters for nearly every score he writes!



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  • NO NO NO  (1558 views)
       Vincent - Saturday, July 11, 2015, at 9:15 a.m.
    •    Re: NO NO NO  (1139 views)
         Morgana Thornton - Tuesday, February 16, 2016, at 9:00 p.m.
      •    Re: NO NO NO  (976 views)
           Edmund Meinerts - Saturday, April 30, 2016, at 5:18 a.m.
    •      Re: NO NO NO  (1285 views)    We're Here
         Drew C. - Wednesday, August 19, 2015, at 8:52 p.m.


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