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Comments about the soundtrack for Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (John Williams)
Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece

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Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece   Saturday, May 21, 2005 (4:46 a.m.) 

Even the great painters don't paint a masterpiece every time. I am big fan of John Williams and own almost all his soundtracks on CD and even a few on that ancient media referred to as 33 1/3 RPM vinyl. I have a background in music and enjoy playing some of John Williams music on the piano. So I am by no means an anti-Williams person, I'm far from it. But I do feel that Revenge of the Sith is only "average" Star Wars music when it should have been "outstanding" Star Wars music. After listening to the CD the first time, I enjoyed Battle of the Heroes, Anakin vs. Obi-Wan, and Anakin's Dark Deeds. But for the most part, I finished listening to the CD thinking "is that it?". I waited three years for this score, expecting it to be full of exciting arrangements of The Imperial March, The Emperor's Theme and Duel of the Fates. I expected there to be a great new theme for Grievous. To my surprise it was quite the opposite! The Imperial March is rarely heard, except in Anakin vs. Obi-Wan which is a rip off of the "Through the Window" music from Empire. The Emperor's Theme is almost non-existent, except for a few seconds at the end of one track. Duel of the Fates is absent. The theme for Grievous is less then melodic and not what you would call a catchy tune. I tried to reserve judgement until I experience the film in the theater. But once I did, it only solidified my feelings:

Here is Anakin becoming Darth Vader, yet we never really get a strong statement of the Imperial March.

Here is the Darth Sidious becoming the Emperor and reorganizing the Republic into a GALACTIC Empire. This is a grandiose act on an epic scale showing the Emperor in full glory and a requirement for the Emperor's theme, in my opinion and yet we don't get it. Nor is it used in any of the important scenes with the Emperor. The theme is used very weakly here and there to show the Emperor's shuttle in transition and that's all we get.

Here is the longest light saber battle of all the films, but we don't hear Duel of the Fates. Even George Lucas questioned Williams on this one.

The End Credits is such an abomination that it's no wonder they edited the track for the credits in the film. What should have been a Dark Side medley featuring music from this film ended up being an out of place rehash of the music from "The Throne Room" from Star Wars.

I don't understand most people's great reviews about the soundtrack or why people are flipping out because one star was subtracted...I guess we were all so desperate for new Star Wars music that any crumb would seem like a meal. So FILMTRACKS and Clemmensen do not need to apologize for anything, as the 4 star review is right on, if not more then it deserves.

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Re: Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece   Saturday, May 21, 2005 (5:40 p.m.) 

> Here is the longest light saber battle of all the films, but we don't hear
> Duel of the Fates. Even George Lucas questioned Williams on this one.

I'm afraid you're wrong there because Duel of The Fates was in the film. It was played out during Yoda's fight with the Emperor, and it fit very well indeed. I do understand why Williams didn't re-arrange it a lot, though. It had already been used extensively in Ep. I and some in Ep. II, therefore using it too much would have been overkill.

> I don't understand most people's great reviews about the soundtrack or why
> people are flipping out because one star was subtracted...I guess we were
> all so desperate for new Star Wars music that any crumb would seem like a
> meal. So FILMTRACKS and Clemmensen do not need to apologize for anything,
> as the 4 star review is right on, if not more then it deserves.

It's all a matter of taste. From a composer's perspective, Williams did what he needed to and it works great. However, from a Star Wars fan's perspective, they might feel cheated. But, being a composer, I'm perfectly fine with what he did. I give it five stars, if not just for the fact I don't feel anyone else could've done better...

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Re: Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece   Sunday, May 22, 2005 (7:20 a.m.) 

> I'm afraid you're wrong there because Duel of The Fates was in the film.
> It was played out during Yoda's fight with the Emperor, and it fit very
> well indeed. I do understand why Williams didn't re-arrange it a lot,
> though. It had already been used extensively in Ep. I and some in Ep. II,
> therefore using it too much would have been overkill.

The decision to include DotF in the Yoda/ Palpatine fight was not made by Williams, but by George Lucas. And I don't think DotF was used "extensively"; in full form only during the final fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedi, and in AotC only during Anakin's search for his mother.
That can't be called "extensively".

I would have loved a cue with DotF and BotH combined, but, well, you don't always get what you want.

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Re: Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece   Tuesday, July 24, 2007 (12:54 p.m.) 

> The decision to include DotF in the Yoda/ Palpatine fight was not made by
> Williams, but by George Lucas. And I don't think DotF was used
> "extensively"; in full form only during the final fight between
> Darth Maul and the two Jedi, and in AotC only during Anakin's search for
> his mother.
> That can't be called "extensively".

> I would have loved a cue with DotF and BotH combined, but, well, you don't
> always get what you want.

oh shut up


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Ivan orozco
Re: Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece   Tuesday, July 10, 2007 (5:41 a.m.) 

Good review, and I agree with most of what you said. I'd really be curious to find out how much of this score was Williams' decision, and how much was just Lucas hacking in music from other films (I mean, did Williams REALLY decide to throw in music from 'Empire Strikes Back' while Yoda and Palpatine were fighting?)

Rob

> Even the great painters don't paint a masterpiece every time. I am big fan
> of John Williams and own almost all his soundtracks on CD and even a few
> on that ancient media referred to as 33 1/3 RPM vinyl. I have a background
> in music and enjoy playing some of John Williams music on the piano. So I
> am by no means an anti-Williams person, I'm far from it. But I do feel
> that Revenge of the Sith is only "average" Star Wars music when
> it should have been "outstanding" Star Wars music. After
> listening to the CD the first time, I enjoyed Battle of the Heroes, Anakin
> vs. Obi-Wan, and Anakin's Dark Deeds. But for the most part, I finished
> listening to the CD thinking "is that it?". I waited three years
> for this score, expecting it to be full of exciting arrangements of The
> Imperial March, The Emperor's Theme and Duel of the Fates. I expected
> there to be a great new theme for Grievous. To my surprise it was quite
> the opposite! The Imperial March is rarely heard, except in Anakin vs.
> Obi-Wan which is a rip off of the "Through the Window" music
> from Empire. The Emperor's Theme is almost non-existent, except for a few
> seconds at the end of one track. Duel of the Fates is absent. The theme
> for Grievous is less then melodic and not what you would call a catchy
> tune. I tried to reserve judgement until I experience the film in the
> theater. But once I did, it only solidified my feelings:

> Here is Anakin becoming Darth Vader, yet we never really get a strong
> statement of the Imperial March.

> Here is the Darth Sidious becoming the Emperor and reorganizing the
> Republic into a GALACTIC Empire. This is a grandiose act on an epic scale
> showing the Emperor in full glory and a requirement for the Emperor's
> theme, in my opinion and yet we don't get it. Nor is it used in any of the
> important scenes with the Emperor. The theme is used very weakly here and
> there to show the Emperor's shuttle in transition and that's all we get.

> Here is the longest light saber battle of all the films, but we don't hear
> Duel of the Fates. Even George Lucas questioned Williams on this one.

> The End Credits is such an abomination that it's no wonder they edited the
> track for the credits in the film. What should have been a Dark Side
> medley featuring music from this film ended up being an out of place
> rehash of the music from "The Throne Room" from Star Wars.

> I don't understand most people's great reviews about the soundtrack or why
> people are flipping out because one star was subtracted...I guess we were
> all so desperate for new Star Wars music that any crumb would seem like a
> meal. So FILMTRACKS and Clemmensen do not need to apologize for anything,
> as the 4 star review is right on, if not more then it deserves.



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Re: Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece   Tuesday, July 24, 2007 (12:48 p.m.) 

> Good review, and I agree with most of what you said. I'd really be curious
> to find out how much of this score was Williams' decision, and how much
> was just Lucas hacking in music from other films (I mean, did Williams
> REALLY decide to throw in music from 'Empire Strikes Back' while Yoda and
> Palpatine were fighting?)

> Rob
oh please dont listen to that crappy review rob you are being a chicken [bleep!]



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Re: Not Every Painting Can Be A Masterpiece   Tuesday, July 24, 2007 (12:51 p.m.) 

> Even the great painters don't paint a masterpiece every time. I am big fan
> of John Williams and own almost all his soundtracks on CD and even a few
> on that ancient media referred to as 33 1/3 RPM vinyl. I have a background
> in music and enjoy playing some of John Williams music on the piano. So I
> am by no means an anti-Williams person, I'm far from it. But I do feel
> that Revenge of the Sith is only "average" Star Wars music when
> it should have been "outstanding" Star Wars music. After
> listening to the CD the first time, I enjoyed Battle of the Heroes, Anakin
> vs. Obi-Wan, and Anakin's Dark Deeds. But for the most part, I finished
> listening to the CD thinking "is that it?". I waited three years
> for this score, expecting it to be full of exciting arrangements of The
> Imperial March, The Emperor's Theme and Duel of the Fates. I expected
> there to be a great new theme for Grievous. To my surprise it was quite
> the opposite! The Imperial March is rarely heard, except in Anakin vs.
> Obi-Wan which is a rip off of the "Through the Window" music
> from Empire. The Emperor's Theme is almost non-existent, except for a few
> seconds at the end of one track. Duel of the Fates is absent. The theme
> for Grievous is less then melodic and not what you would call a catchy
> tune. I tried to reserve judgement until I experience the film in the
> theater. But once I did, it only solidified my feelings:

> Here is Anakin becoming Darth Vader, yet we never really get a strong
> statement of the Imperial March.

> Here is the Darth Sidious becoming the Emperor and reorganizing the
> Republic into a GALACTIC Empire. This is a grandiose act on an epic scale
> showing the Emperor in full glory and a requirement for the Emperor's
> theme, in my opinion and yet we don't get it. Nor is it used in any of the
> important scenes with the Emperor. The theme is used very weakly here and
> there to show the Emperor's shuttle in transition and that's all we get.

> Here is the longest light saber battle of all the films, but we don't hear
> Duel of the Fates. Even George Lucas questioned Williams on this one.

> The End Credits is such an abomination that it's no wonder they edited the
> track for the credits in the film. What should have been a Dark Side
> medley featuring music from this film ended up being an out of place
> rehash of the music from "The Throne Room" from Star Wars.

> I don't understand most people's great reviews about the soundtrack or why
> people are flipping out because one star was subtracted...I guess we were
> all so desperate for new Star Wars music that any crumb would seem like a
> meal. So FILMTRACKS and Clemmensen do not need to apologize for anything,
> as the 4 star review is right on, if not more then it deserves.

shut thge hell up there is nothing wrong with the score asshole


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