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Comments about the soundtrack for Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (Michael Kamen)
Brass section

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Brass section   Thursday, June 5, 2008 (5:55 p.m.) 

Any reviewer who claims that several errors have been made by the brass section either have to give further explanation, or is completely out of his mind. The recording is anything but dull, dry indeed, but not dull. And the entire orchestra plays this score with such a sense of musical feeling that it's almost sacreligious to say anything bad about the performance. If anything these guys deserve a round of applause for a performance like this.


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Re: Brass section   Wednesday, November 12, 2008 (1:00 a.m.) 

> If anything these guys deserve a round of applause for a
> performance like this.

Agreed. Maybe there should be a re-recording here in the future, although Kamen wouldn't be able to do it himself (I miss his music!), but Debney could do it. And the brass I actually thought was superb...



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Re: Brass section   Wednesday, November 12, 2008 (10:04 a.m.) 

> Any reviewer who claims that several errors have been made by the brass
> section either have to give further explanation, or is completely out of
> his mind.

I gotta say, I love this score and I think Clemmensen's review was quick and dismissive, but there are really horrible blunders in the brass throughout the score. It's performed with great enthusiasm, yes, but there are a few points where the brass actually has a bit of trouble getting the notes out.

For my "further explanation" (so I don't look out of my mind), I'd like to point you to a specific moment in the score. The most obvious is at the very exciting crescendo moment in "Abduction and Final Battle at the Gallows." This section begins at 6:59 in the cue and the blunders begin at about 7:05 and continue through 7:10. It's as if the brass just can't keep up with the continuing tempo that the cue calls for. Finally, on the last note of that section, the brass section is out of sync, making it sound like a broken note and ruins a very fine moment. There are also even moments in the "Overture" that point to incapable brass players. As well as the end of the action segment of "Sir Guy and the Escape to Sherwood."

This is not to say that the score isn't excellent. I think it's really impressive, I think it's performed with gusto and the writing is superb. I think, in fact, that it's because of how impressive and ambitious the writing is that the orchestra has trouble performing it. This happens a lot, actually. Look at plenty of early Horner ("Battle Beyond the Stars" is completely mangled) and Goldenthal scores (a listen of "Alien 3" and it's as if the orchestra didn't know what to make of it). The brass of lesser orchestras could never keep up with their innovative styles.



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Re: Brass section   Thursday, November 13, 2008 (1:31 a.m.) 

That's very interesting. I never noticed before. I guess a re-recording should be in the future. Maybe a dissection of some of the songs into shorter cues...? just a thought. Also, maybe the London Symphony Orchestra should be called upon to do it... I mean, if it really is the difficulty of the music that there are mistakes.



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