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Comments about the soundtrack for Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (James Horner)
The score is not that good

Pizzaboy
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The score is not that good   Tuesday, July 8, 2003 (1:58 p.m.) 

I think the score is actually not worth 5 stars. Pieces of it are actually wonderfull, but the music doesn't always fit to the actual action going on on the screen. Not to talk about those crappy passages without the theme.

The theme itself can in no way hold up against Goldsmith's and the original theme is poorly integrated.
Whenever you see the enterprise it DEMANDS the Goldsmith theme, instead we get something that isn't even compareable.

Spocks death is almost patheticly scored. With the right music, the scene and the following funeral would have been so much better and sader.

Overall I would give it only **,5 stars, after all, pieces (without the film) are quite listnable.

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The score is not that good the second   Tuesday, July 8, 2003 (2:07 p.m.) 

In addition to thath I shall be more precise. Batle in the Mutara Nebula. Sounds great without the film. But what about the cue heared in the film? I think it doesn't fit at all.

There are other passages, as well.

What about the second integration of the Courage theme in the Main Titles? Doesn't that sound somehow wiered and not fitting at all?

I don't know, but the best Star Trek score was and remains TMP, if not for it's definate superior theme then for it's originality and masterfully fellows such as ST5, First Contact, Nemesis and by far the second best ST score Insurrection.

Horner's music was wrong for the film. Even if the approach to the score was diffrent, Goldsmith would have habdled it a lot better and his theme would have served better.



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I respectfully disagree   Tuesday, July 8, 2003 (3:49 p.m.) 

To each his own, as they say. I concur completely with the ***** rating. I find this to be a wonderfully sweeping score, and I have a hard time imagining the film without it. As for the theme, its worth pointing out that Horner's theme and Goldsmith's theme are coming from completely different corners. Goldsmith was going for a more fanfare-style theme, easily hummable and performed primarily by the brass section, frequently with rhythmic snare drums accompanying it. Horner was aiming for a more sweeping, almost nastalgic sound, focusing on the string section and utilizing very little percussion. Goldmsmith tried for bold and heroic. Horner tried for bittersweet and emotional. I feel both composers succeeded in evoking the emotion they wanted to. I think Horner's heart-felt theme for ST-II was more appropriate for the film then Goldsmith's due to the nature of the film. It wasn't about "boldly going where no man has gone before", it was about loneliness, loss, and revenge. A great score for a great film.

> In addition to thath I shall be more precise. Batle in the Mutara Nebula.
> Sounds great without the film. But what about the cue heared in the film?
> I think it doesn't fit at all.

> There are other passages, as well.

> What about the second integration of the Courage theme in the Main Titles?
> Doesn't that sound somehow wiered and not fitting at all?

> I don't know, but the best Star Trek score was and remains TMP, if not for
> it's definate superior theme then for it's originality and masterfully
> fellows such as ST5, First Contact, Nemesis and by far the second best ST
> score Insurrection.

> Horner's music was wrong for the film. Even if the approach to the score
> was diffrent, Goldsmith would have habdled it a lot better and his theme
> would have served better.


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Pizzaboy
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Re: I respectfully disagree   Wednesday, July 9, 2003 (5:23 a.m.) 

Your certainly right. But the same approach by Goldsmith would have been equally good, but at least we would have had the fantastic Star-Trek theme. Because, in the end, it's that theme that one would associate with StarTrek.
Nevertheless, Without the film the score is very listnable and sometimes very beatyfull.

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Re: I respectfully disagree   Saturday, August 14, 2004 (2:31 p.m.) 

I can't imagine this fine film without this fine music. Think about it...put Goldsmith's music in place of Horner's score. I don't think it would have been quite as appropriate personally. I can't think of any other music to fit The Wrath of Kahn.

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Re: The score is not that good the second   Saturday, July 26, 2003 (12:02 p.m.) 

> In addition to thath I shall be more precise. Batle in the Mutara Nebula.
> Sounds great without the film. But what about the cue heared in the film?
> I think it doesn't fit at all.

> There are other passages, as well.

> What about the second integration of the Courage theme in the Main Titles?
> Doesn't that sound somehow wiered and not fitting at all?

> I don't know, but the best Star Trek score was and remains TMP, if not for
> it's definate superior theme then for it's originality and masterfully
> fellows such as ST5, First Contact, Nemesis and by far the second best ST
> score Insurrection.

> Horner's music was wrong for the film. Even if the approach to the score
> was diffrent, Goldsmith would have habdled it a lot better and his theme
> would have served better.

yes the Motion picture theme would have been hightened in a more adventurous stlye like he did in Final Frontier. As I said before it would have been a combo of Final Conflict Omen III


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Re: The score is not that good   Monday, November 16, 2009 (11:23 a.m.) 

If you re-cut the film with Goldsmith instead of Horner, I will watch it.

Now playing: Chip Davis, Mannheim Steamroller - FRESH AIRE V (another take on music for adventures through outer space, inspired by Johannes Kepler's SOMNIUM)



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Re: The score is not that good   Sunday, October 10, 2010 (9:13 a.m.) 
• Now Playing: Alan Menken's Beauty and the Beast  

> I think the score is actually not worth 5 stars. Pieces of it are actually
> wonderfull, but the music doesn't always fit to the actual action going on
> on the screen. Not to talk about those crappy passages without the theme.

> The theme itself can in no way hold up against Goldsmith's and the
> original theme is poorly integrated.
> Whenever you see the enterprise it DEMANDS the Goldsmith theme, instead we
> get something that isn't even compareable.

> Spocks death is almost patheticly scored. With the right music, the scene
> and the following funeral would have been so much better and sader.

> Overall I would give it only **,5 stars, after all, pieces (without the
> film) are quite listnable.

I have been a Star Trek fan for almost as long as I can remember. The first Star Trek movie I ever saw was Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. I remember the film's theme sticking with me. (Especially the part with the clarinets playing the main theme while Kirk lies to Khan. The cue is Kirk's explosive reply)When I saw the motion picture, the theme bored me. It stuck with me eventually with nemisis (Insurection score was horrible by the way) when I returned to Wrath of Khan the theme hit me so emotionally. It is the best Star Trek score ever. (second only to Nemisis [motion picture of corse) or Giacchino's new star trek)



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