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Lack of Doyle's Themes

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Lack of Doyle's Themes   Friday, January 3, 2014 (3:35 p.m.) 

I'm not 100% certain on the truth of this, but I heard that Tyler was not able to recycle and develop Doyle's themes from the first one because Marvel Studios was unwilling to pay royalties to Doyle for his ideas. If that's true, Marvel is shooting themselves in the foot by being cheap.


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Re: Lack of Doyle's Themes   Sunday, January 5, 2014 (12:13 a.m.) 

> I'm not 100% certain on the truth of this, but I heard that Tyler was not
> able to recycle and develop Doyle's themes from the first one because
> Marvel Studios was unwilling to pay royalties to Doyle for his ideas. If
> that's true, Marvel is shooting themselves in the foot by being cheap.

Yeah, agreed. I'm surprised Chris tried to pin that flaw on Tyler when it's more obviously Marvel's fault. Still, it is a flaw, and one that deserves pointing out.


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Re: Lack of Doyle's Themes   Sunday, January 5, 2014 (7:37 a.m.) 

> Yeah, agreed. I'm surprised Chris tried to pin that flaw on Tyler when
> it's more obviously Marvel's fault. Still, it is a flaw, and one that
> deserves pointing out.

Do some research. Marvel was open to using the Doyle themes, Tyler was not. Tyler admitted that in interviews. He said that Doyle's themes could not represent Thor the "man" rather than Thor the "boy". Idiocy by Tyler, IMHO.


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Re: Lack of Doyle's Themes   Monday, January 6, 2014 (1:40 p.m.) 

> Do some research. Marvel was open to using the Doyle themes, Tyler was
> not. Tyler admitted that in interviews. He said that Doyle's themes could
> not represent Thor the "man" rather than Thor the
> "boy". Idiocy by Tyler, IMHO.

In that case I agree. Tyler should have just been honest and said he'd prefer to write his own themes, rather than constructing his score around someone else's. It's understandable, but at least be upfront about it and don't try and come up with some faux justification.

I've never read that tidbit about Marvel wanting to keep Doyle's themes...as you say, I didn't do my research ...but if it's the case, I do wonder why they didn't just bring Doyle back in the first place.


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Re: Lack of Doyle's Themes   Tuesday, January 7, 2014 (6:16 a.m.) 
• Now Playing: "Chasing the Storm" from "Thor" by Patrick Doyle  

> In that case I agree. Tyler should have just been honest and said he'd
> prefer to write his own themes, rather than constructing his score around
> someone else's. It's understandable, but at least be upfront about it and
> don't try and come up with some faux justification.

> I've never read that tidbit about Marvel wanting to keep Doyle's
> themes...as you say, I didn't do my research ...but if it's the case, I
> do wonder why they didn't just bring Doyle back in the first place.

The lack of Doyle's themes doesn't quite bother me as much as it probably should. I found many of Doyle's cues to lack acoustic depth in a lot of places, a sentiment I don't feel regarding Tyler's renditions. One of the aspects I was looking for in Tyler's music was a carryover of the "thumping" percussion that helped set "Thor" apart from other action movie scores, and Tyler did include that, whether as a nod to Doyle or because it's a sound that many a listener has associated with Viking-ish themes.


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Re: Lack of Doyle's Themes   Tuesday, January 7, 2014 (6:57 p.m.) 

> Do some research. Marvel was open to using the Doyle themes, Tyler was
> not. Tyler admitted that in interviews. He said that Doyle's themes could
> not represent Thor the "man" rather than Thor the
> "boy". Idiocy by Tyler, IMHO.

My apologies, good sir. I will do my homework before I say something ignorant again


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Re: Lack of Doyle's Themes   Monday, March 10, 2014 (4:23 a.m.) 

The curious thing is I found it very hard to get the main themes for Thor and Thor2 separated in my head. Until I took a closer look and found they seem to basically sit over more or less the same chord sequence - Thor2 has more notes squeezed in but is indeed more of a development than a totally new theme. Making this particular complaint a little ironic.

I have some regret for the absence of some of the exquisite motifs from the first film in their original form, but I will say I found Thor2 one of the most enjoyable soundtracks I've heard lately with some really impressive cues.

I will also say I really don't care whether the progressions are simple or how the sounds are generated - what matters to me is the effect of the music on me as a listener. And for Thor2 that effect is certainly a stirring one.


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