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Comments about the soundtrack for Troy (Gabriel Yared/James Horner)
classical music plagiarizing?

Jenny Raja
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Jenny Raja
classical music plagiarizing?   Monday, May 24, 2004 (12:11 a.m.) 

Ok: I'm a fan of classical music but am terrible about specifics. But did anyone else notice that Achille's death scene music sounded suspiciously like a famous piece of classical music? It's driving me crazy, and I'm positive I have it on CD, but I cannot place it. So, I'm probably going to be playing all my Cd's over the next week to find it, but the sweeping tones and heroic theme of that scene was ABSOLUTELY like something from my classical collection. Did anyone else get this sense? I'd love to know.

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Danny French
Ok, didn't read other comments enough   Monday, May 24, 2004 (12:38 a.m.) 

I'm stupid: just read other comments and yes, Vaughn William's version of Tillis' theme was what I heard in Achille's death scene, and I SHOULD have recognized Rachmaninoff ... heck, it was (Vaughn Williams) playing at my wedding the other day, should have noticed! Guess I had my mind on other things.

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Callie Hutchison
A two minute, almost note-for-note Ripoff   Monday, July 12, 2004 (4:31 p.m.) 

Indeed! Horner reaches new lows. The piece is in fact called "Fantasia on a theme by Thomas Tallis" and was composed by Ralph Vaughan Williams in the year 1910! And hello - what's this? Mr Horner recycling this wonderful piece of music, almost one hundred years after it was written, and passing it off as original?

And no small ripoff is this either! A virtual note for note rehash of Vaughan Williams' variations and this abomination lasts for ten seconds shy of TWO MINUTES, unabated plagiarism, aside from a brief appearance of Horner's (almost patented) thundering timpani.

This is utterly dispicable. It's a magnificent piece of music and it's been cheapened now forever courtesy of Mr Horner and by that dreadful movie with which it will now forever be associated.

I have now lost any respect I had for the man, which it must be said, was little.

Please don't get mad at this post. I know a lot of you love Horner and I'm not disputing the fact that his music is indeed lovely sounds -- but it's not his music! Either that, or it IS his music, but he wrote it twenty years ago...

Peace and love,
Danny French

> I'm stupid: just read other comments and yes, Vaughn William's version of
> Tillis' theme was what I heard in Achille's death scene, and I SHOULD have
> recognized Rachmaninoff ... heck, it was (Vaughn Williams) playing at my
> wedding the other day, should have noticed! Guess I had my mind on other
> things.


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Callie Hutchison
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Joost
Re: A two minute, almost note-for-note Ripoff   Sunday, October 31, 2004 (11:56 a.m.) 

Thankyou!!!! Finally someone who understands my hatred for James Horner, and John Williams, but James Horner is the worst offender by far!!!!! A note for not rip-off of Thomas Tallis, even in the same freakin' key, I was so enraged by the music I couldn't even concentrate on Brad Pitts beautifully oiled body. Not only Vaughn Williams was poached, He also stole themes from Rach 1, and the worst of the worst, he stole Shostakovich's own signature theme, You DON'T do that!!!!! That's is sacred territory and you DO NOT STEAl that! This man should never work again after that score, he should be arrested for sheer plagerism. I don't understand how Hollywood can stand to hire these men! Why can't they hire some composers that will actually write original music? Hire Phillip Glass, or John Corigiliano, or Enojhini Raugtavaara, or Libby Larson. People who actually write real music!!!!!! I mean John Williams steels a lot of music but he at least TRIES to cover it up, James Horner is absolutely blatent about it, we should resurect all of the composers that he has stolen from so that they can string him up and shoot him for ruining their music!!!!!

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Danny French
Re: A two minute, almost note-for-note Ripoff   Tuesday, January 23, 2007 (11:54 a.m.) 

> Thankyou!!!! Finally someone who understands my hatred for James Horner,
> and John Williams, but James Horner is the worst offender by far!!!!! A
> note for not rip-off of Thomas Tallis, even in the same freakin' key, I
> was so enraged by the music I couldn't even concentrate on Brad Pitts
> beautifully oiled body. Not only Vaughn Williams was poached, He also
> stole themes from Rach 1, and the worst of the worst, he stole
> Shostakovich's own signature theme, You DON'T do that!!!!! That's is
> sacred territory and you DO NOT STEAl that! This man should never work
> again after that score, he should be arrested for sheer plagerism. I don't
> understand how Hollywood can stand to hire these men! Why can't they hire
> some composers that will actually write original music? Hire Phillip
> Glass, or John Corigiliano, or Enojhini Raugtavaara, or Libby Larson.
> People who actually write real music!!!!!! I mean John Williams steels a
> lot of music but he at least TRIES to cover it up, James Horner is
> absolutely blatent about it, we should resurect all of the composers that
> he has stolen from so that they can string him up and shoot him for
> ruining their music!!!!!

Sounds like your average run of the mill desperate housewife...geez...



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Danny French
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Re: A two minute, almost note-for-note Ripoff   Saturday, January 27, 2007 (3:50 p.m.) 

> Sounds like your average run of the mill desperate housewife...geez...

If you look past the factual inaccuracies, appalling spelling, and comprehensive overuse of the exclamation mark, this gentleman has made a number of good points.

Three years on from my original post, Horner's Troy remains one of his most blatantly plagiarised scores to date.

Doesn't it throw you off when you're watching Troy, and suddenly the score throws you into Aliens, Star Trek II, Willow, Schumann's Spring Symphony, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Vaughan-Williams, and a hundred others, all at once, in a hamfisted melange of stolen ideas?

Philip Glass is getting more film work nowadays, but his style is unsuitable for most of the stable Hollywood movies currently being produced. Rautavaara is undoubtedly a genius, but alas I suspect too clever for today's film music. Furthermore, I have extremely low optimism for an 80 year-old Finnish classical composer can stumble into a career as a Hollywood superstar.

We can hope, I suppose.



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