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Comments about the soundtrack for Batman Begins (Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard)

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Re: Batman Begins Score
• Posted by: Ethan   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 10:53 p.m.
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• In Response to: Re: Batman Begins Score (Ken)

> Cool, man. We can shoot around the argument of repetetive themes all we
> want. The fact is that Elfman is not the kind of composer that you make
> him out to be, and was not during the original Batman track. The only way,
> I think, we can truly come to an understanding of any sort is if we
> understand the difference in the type of movie we're talking about. I
> don't really think that Elfman would have been perfect for Batman Begins.
> Simply because the original Batman movies were meant to be more in the
> purely Action genre with a little darkness and some token romance. Now,
> Elfmans music was perfect for THAT. And why it is significant is, once
> again, he not only came out of his own shell to compose that track, he
> probably wrote the greatest super hero score since Superman. His music fit
> THAT movie like a glove.

> Now, as far as Hans's work is concerned, again I am just tired of his
> constant regurgitation. Being a composer hoping to get into film worko, I
> often look to catch film scorers when they use their parlor tricks that
> they use in every project they do. The unfortunate thing is that I don't
> have the patience anymore for composers like Zimmer, like Horner who not
> only re-write old material, but get paid top dollar to do it. I
> understand, of course that they have issues with time and that some of
> those parlor tricks are the only way that they can complete a score in
> time, but the same goes for Elfman, Zimmer, Goldsmith, Williams etc. And,
> not to mention that Elfmans original Batman Score may seem like nothing
> now, but how long ago did he write it?? It was 17 years ago. So, it is
> possible that, after all that time, the goosebumps from the great moments
> in the original Batman Score don't come so easily, but there are more than
> you give the composer credit for. You say that there are no moments in
> Batman, well.... No. From the very start of the score you're incorrect.
> The very begining, when he starts off with the drawn out, heroic theme,
> and then breaks right into the fast stuff with the snare solo and the
> horns playing the theme at double speed.... nobody in their right mind
> cannot call what happens there a "moment." Honestly, I still
> remember the opening orchestral cue being my favorite part of the movie.
> And I was 7 years old!!! The entrance of the Batmobile is pretty
> significant and is supported very well. And then, not to mention the
> conclusion of the movie!! I mean, he pulls thematic direction straight out
> of beethovens head (not themes, direction) and takes the theme higher and
> higher in range until finally having a Zarathustra moment to end it. You
> can't really deny the excitement that that kind of music can create.

> Now, again, I understand that this is an almost totally new batman, but
> still you can't deny that the original soundtrack to Batman was
> significant As you have done. You also can't listen to this score and deny
> WITH A STRAIGHT FACE that this is not just Zimmerism after Zimmerism with
> a little Howard mixed in.

> One more thing: I'm not saying that Zimmers work isn't good, but you can
> have too much of a good thing very easily and to hear just the Same Old
> Stuff from him over and over again is a major dissapointment to me. I do
> believe in his potential to be TRULY great, but I don't think he's quite
> there yet. He has at least one more step to take.
i barely agree at
> all.
You can say that danny elfman is the
I want to feel power,
> and
Hans Zimmer makes Batman more powerful
Hans Zimmer's work is
> usually

Okay, i see your point. I didn't mean to deny danny elfman's talent, i think his work is pretty good. But i do not, however understand how anyone could feel "power" in his music. I see very creative, original mysterious, quiete themes, but none of them have the same effect that Zimmer's music has. With Zimmer, you can feel goosebumps because his music is so powerful, you are a helpless against it.
Zimmer and elfman write completely different styles of music. I do agree with you that Elfman fit the first batmans perfectly, the would have been completely different, more serious movies if they had been scored by Zimmer.
I believe that Hans Zimmer was perfect for bringing batman back to life. Especially for this generation of films. Much has changed over 17 years. Don't kid yourself by saying that Zimmer's work is mostly regurgitation from earlier works. That Would be a completely opinionated statement. Zimmer's work in GLADIATOR!!!! (academy award winning) King Arthur, something's gotta give, spanglish, Lion King, The Ring is so utterly original, it isn't funny.
Hans Zimmer IS right up there with John Williams, Howard Shore, in fact, Hans Zimmer could easily be in the top five modern day composers, or top three even.
No one "in there right mind" can say that they don't feel power in Zimmer's work, you can't, it's impossible.
Not only does Zimmer write amazing music, but he picks up young composers and funds them and helps them in their careers. For example: Pirates of The Caribbean (Klaus Badelt) TRAINED BY HANS ZIMMER and almost every kid in America loves the music in Pirates. The Lion King will always be remembered as Disnye's premiere musical masterpiece.
Danny Elfman writes some great stuff. He just isn't cut out for the same kind of work as Zimmer. Zimmer's music is more real, and inspiring. Your statement about feeling the Batman score is clearly opinianated, and then again, so may mine, but you really must secede to Hans Zimmer's work. I am so sick of people telling me it's repetative. IT'S NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The problem is that people are just not musically inclined so all they here is ONE of Zimmer's main themes. Zimmer's underscoring is always changing. His work is by far one of the greatest achievements in modern film score composing and i say this from the stand point of being an independent film maker, Hans Zimmer IS one of the best.

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