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Comments about the soundtrack for Braveheart (James Horner)

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Re: Dont be an idiot
• Posted by: roybatty   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2007, at 6:17 p.m.
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• In Response to: Re: Dont be an idiot (Niece)
Message Edited: Sunday, April 1, 2007, at 9:22 a.m.

> You cannot be serious. Horner is the most famous example of plagiarism in
> film music.

> -Willow - Schumann symphony nº3, first movement
> -Braveheart - Holst or Parry, I just don care
> -Enemy At the gates - Schindler´s list, main theme
> -All the Kings Men - Brahms symphony nº3, third movement
> -Troy - Shostakovich 5th, fourth movement (heroic theme); V.Williams
> Fantasia on a theme by Thomas Tallis (the love theme)
> -The famous four-notes motif - Rachmaninov symphony nº1, it appear in all
> the movements, the Dies Irae motif, go hear it
> -An American Tail - you already said it
> -Read Heat - Prokofiev Cantata for the 20th anniversary of October
> Revolution

You're leaving out Aliens and Gayaneh (Khakachurian), and Titanic: Southampton and "Book of Days" by Enya from Far and Away (although this was frankly an improvement if you ask me). But, really, is that the lot? I don't think that there is more there than what John Williams, Hans Zimmer or Howard Shore have pinched for their scores. Take Williams for example:

-Star Wars Theme - King's Row (Korngold)

-Resistence Theme - Dukas, The Sorcerer's Apprentice

-Darth Vader Theme - Chopin, Funeral March (not fully identical, but

close enough)

-The Throne Room - Elgar, Pomp and Circumstance Marches

-Duel of the Fates - Dvorak's Ninth, Third Movement + Sibelius's Second,

Fourth Movement

-Schindler's List - Mahler, Symphony No. 8

-Jaws Shark Theme - Dvorak's 9th, Movement 4

Out to Sea Theme - "Peter and the Wolf", Prokofiev

-Jurassic Park - Bach, Brandenburg Concerto No.3 in D. (Tweaked and slow

down the tempo.)

I could probably go on by saying that the E.T. Theme is taken from Dvorak's Dumky Trio but I have only read about this on another board and haven't actually heared that piece. Wouldn't surprise me if it were true,though. Also, Horner isn't the only one to have pinched from The Planets: the battle/war music in Zimmer's Gladiator borrows wholesale from the "Mars" section, and I also noticed that the "History of the Ring Theme" from Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings closely resembles the main motif in "Venus, Bringer of Peace". This latter is seldom, if ever, mentioned anywhere. But perhaps the line of influence goes back further than Holst.

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