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Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!

Pastor C St. John
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Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, November 12, 2002 (9:51 a.m.)

The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to experimentation.

Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also? Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (4:11 p.m.)

This poor man is crazy...

Long life for Harry and Williams' music...they are the best!!!!

Satan

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (8:15 p.m.)

> This poor man is crazy...

> Long life for Harry and Williams' music...they are the best!!!!

> Satan

Actually forget harry potter being Satan, wouldn't John Williams make a better satan? him being the "supporter" for over a hundred films [not of God]. him supporting fercious man eating sharks, humans creating dinosaurs, incantations such as the force, and fairy tales in which people can fly (hook). the list goes on....surely john williams is a follower of the anti-christ if not the anti-christ himself...and if not him then any film composer or director, or actor or viewer.

crazy people...it's a movie. and this site is about the music from the movie. John Williams' music which i have no doubts will be phenomenol just like last hears excellent score!

if the bible rejects any sorcery labeling it as being from the devil (quiver) then would not God's own power be considered sorcery and there fore from the devil?

myself being a Christian HATE it when people out there take what they believe in WAY TOO SERIOUSLY and force it on others by disrespecting and bashing minor things in life accusing them of supporting the dark lord.

i find people who do that push more people away and set themselves up to be labled as crazy insane people more then anything.

again this is a music site. i support John Williams and his amazing music...and i am looking forward to this potentionally great score (i say potentionally because i haven't heard it yet). people quit flooding it with your regligious garble. enjoy the life God gave you and live it. Music is probably God's greatest creation....therefore John Williams must be close to a saint. ...in some way... heh heh heh

Great review. i look forward to buying the score shortly.

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Dawn
HA HA HEE HEE, WHOOO.....   Sunday, November 17, 2002 (11:50 p.m.)

My two favorite posts here: the guy who talked about Jesus boycotting children's films and the other guy who considered how John Williams would make a good Satan. I laughed out loud on both of those. Thanks for the innocent humor, guys!

Dan

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Looking Back On The Times...   Tuesday, December 23, 2003 (3:25 a.m.)

It's funny how one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen posted on this site turns out to be the beginning of a LONG line of comments. And Harry Potter is the Prince of Darkness? Excuse me...

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHWHHWHWHWHWHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem...Anyways, I just pitched in to remind everyone of a couple of things that many people apparently are confused with.

A) HARRY POTTER IS FICTION!!!
B) HARRY POTTER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION AND WAS NEVER MEANT TO HAVE ANY SUCH REFERENCES MANY PEOPLE ACCUSE IT OF HAVING!!!
C) THIS SITE NEEDS TO DELETE THE RELIGIOUS COMMENTS AS IT PROMISED BECAUSE I PERSONALLY AM SICK OF ALL OF THESE RELIGIOUS STUFF THAT NOT EVERYONE (INCLUDING MYSELF) BELIEVE IN THE FIRST PLACE! THE RELIGIOUS COMMENTS TAKE UP HALF OF THE ENTIRE COMMENT PAGE!!!

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Re: HARRY IS NOT REAL!!   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (8:30 p.m.)

> This poor man is crazy...

> Long life for Harry and Williams' music...they are the best!!!!

> Satan

Man, you calling yourself Satan (a Harry fan, i presume) along with Mister "see you in hell" prove the pastor's point exactly...You people sound like you're defending your mother or your best friend!! It's like you worship the character or something remember HARRY IS NOT REAL - but it is a fact that his incantations are if you've really read any witchcraft books...To accuse this pastor of child molestation,condemning him to hell, or to reply to him calling yourself Satan is sick and morbid. I was molested as a child and I've seen too much of hell on earth to think your jabs at him or other Christians are in any way humorous...you people disgust me..

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Re: HARRY IS NOT REAL!!   Monday, November 25, 2002 (6:07 p.m.)

> Man, you calling yourself Satan (a Harry fan, i presume) along with Mister
> "see you in hell" prove the pastor's point exactly...You people
> sound like you're defending your mother or your best friend!! It's like
> you worship the character or something remember HARRY IS NOT REAL - but it
> is a fact that his incantations are if you've really read any witchcraft
> books...To accuse this pastor of child molestation,condemning him to hell,
> or to reply to him calling yourself Satan is sick and morbid. I was
> molested as a child and I've seen too much of hell on earth to think your
> jabs at him or other Christians are in any way humorous...you people
> disgust me...

This person is exactly right!!!

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (7:40 p.m.)

Now here is a man who's got his head on straight...

In actuality, this guy just convinced me to see the film. I find it interesting that the greatest achievements in every art form are the ones that are [not of God].

Dude, chill! There are much more important things in life than God! Stop being medieval, renaissance yourself and check back with us when you're better.
(By the way, heroEs has an 'e' in it.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (8:27 p.m.)

Earth to blithering idiot... Earth to blithering idiot...

The only thing I find offensive is your God talk. Harry Potter (and its wonderous music) is an innocent fantasy story that wisks its audience away into a world of mystery and magic. A person who can find fault in that must have some serious introspection to deal with.

Your ravings about Harry Potter and his "occultic practices" sicken me. Must everything you encounter in life be filtered through your blind faith in the mystical man upstairs and the Bible (Which happens to be a collection of fictional stories itself?) I grow tired of religous fanatics who try to ruin the fun in life.

There are many worse things in the world to deal with, like having sex with kids for instance. Why don't you occupy your time with something more constructive?

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It's Magic   Monday, November 18, 2002 (10:02 a.m.)

Gee, I must have some serious introspection then, because for some reason, these stories fail to wisk me away on that magical mystery tour your raving about. As for the rest of your post, if rants on the occult make you sick, you must get a lot of notes from the doctor, because that seems a little bit sensitive. But that aspect of you post is unimportant. It's the other parts that interest me more.

Must everything be filtered through blind faith you ask? Well, yes and no. Christians are intelligent human beings (believe it or not :o). We do have the ability to rationalize or reasons for doing certain things. Yet within the realm of faith, as with everything, there are certain things that cannot be proven with theory and observation. One of my favorite movie quotes offers a real good illustration of this. It's the scene in "Contact" where Ellie and Palmer are basically challenging each others beliefs.
Ellie:"What?"
Ellie:"Yes, very much."
Palmer:"Prove it."
Now let me ask you, how would one go about proving such a thing by use of the scientific method? You may try, in which case you would ultimately come to the conclusion that this love could not possibly exist and is merely a mental illusion created by the subject to prevent herself from slipping into feelings of self doubt and thusly depression. Still, after reaching such a conclusion, try convincing the subject that it is true, try convincing anyone that their love for another is merely an illusional state of mind. In the end you will fail, simply because the people would somewhere in some indescribable area of their heart and mind know for a fact that what you presented is not the whole story, that some all important element is missing, something that all the theory and observation in the world could not identify and explain, and the only way it can be seen is through that blind faith you so despise.

Immediately proceeding this you make the claim that the Bible is nothing but a series of fictional stories in of its self. Quite a bold claim, considering it is probably the most influential book in history on the path of western civilization. Yet despite the bold nature of your comment, you fail to enlighten us as to your reasoning for such a claim. It's almost as if you wish us to accept it "on faith." In this case, blind faith is not an acceptable answer to such a claim, given that there are documents that could be used to illustrate either parallels or contradictions in literature of the time, there is archeological evidence that could be searched for and that has been found, example the ashes of James brother of Jesus just recently recovered. So, you essentially could make scientific judgements in either direction regarding the Bible. Yet regardless, that fact seemed to pass you up.

One final thing before I cease my ranting, please lighten your tone. Responding to something in such a cruel manner only presents the image of someone speaking out of uncontrolled emotion rather than rational and disciplined thought, and as a result, provides an argument that is self destructive to the writers image rather than supporting his or her point.

> Earth to blithering idiot... Earth to blithering idiot...

> The only thing I find offensive is your God talk. Harry Potter (and its
> wonderous music) is an innocent fantasy story that wisks its audience away
> into a world of mystery and magic. A person who can find fault in that
> must have some serious introspection to deal with.

> sicken me. Must everything you encounter in life be filtered through your
> blind faith in the mystical man upstairs and the Bible (Which happens to
> be a collection of fictional stories itself?) I grow tired of religous
> fanatics who try to ruin the fun in life.

> There are many worse things in the world to deal with, like having sex
> with kids for instance. Why don't you occupy your time with something more
> constructive?

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This guy's got his head on straight   Monday, November 18, 2002 (2:41 p.m.)

> Gee, I must have some serious introspection then, because for some reason,
> these stories fail to wisk me away on that magical mystery tour your
> raving about. As for the rest of your post, if rants on the occult make
> you sick, you must get a lot of notes from the doctor, because that seems
> a little bit sensitive. But that aspect of you post is unimportant. It's
> the other parts that interest me more.

> Must everything be filtered through blind faith you ask? Well, yes and no.
> Christians are intelligent human beings (believe it or not :o). We do have
> the ability to rationalize or reasons for doing certain things. Yet within
> the realm of faith, as with everything, there are certain things that
> cannot be proven with theory and observation. One of my favorite movie
> quotes offers a real good illustration of this. It's the scene in
> "Contact" where Ellie and Palmer are basically challenging each
> others beliefs.
>
Ellie:"What?"
> him?"
Ellie:"Yes, very much."
Palmer:"Prove
> it."
Now let me ask you, how would one go about proving such a
> thing by use of the scientific method? You may try, in which case you
> would ultimately come to the conclusion that this love could not possibly
> exist and is merely a mental illusion created by the subject to prevent
> herself from slipping into feelings of self doubt and thusly depression.
> Still, after reaching such a conclusion, try convincing the subject that
> it is true, try convincing anyone that their love for another is merely an
> illusional state of mind. In the end you will fail, simply because the
> people would somewhere in some indescribable area of their heart and mind
> know for a fact that what you presented is not the whole story, that some
> all important element is missing, something that all the theory and
> observation in the world could not identify and explain, and the only way
> it can be seen is through that blind faith you so despise.

> Immediately proceeding this you make the claim that the Bible is nothing
> but a series of fictional stories in of its self. Quite a bold claim,
> considering it is probably the most influential book in history on the
> path of western civilization. Yet despite the bold nature of your comment,
> you fail to enlighten us as to your reasoning for such a claim. It's
> almost as if you wish us to accept it "on faith." In this case,
> blind faith is not an acceptable answer to such a claim, given that there
> are documents that could be used to illustrate either parallels or
> contradictions in literature of the time, there is archeological evidence
> that could be searched for and that has been found, example the ashes of
> James brother of Jesus just recently recovered. So, you essentially could
> make scientific judgements in either direction regarding the Bible. Yet
> regardless, that fact seemed to pass you up.

> One final thing before I cease my ranting, please lighten your tone.
> Responding to something in such a cruel manner only presents the image of
> someone speaking out of uncontrolled emotion rather than rational and
> disciplined thought, and as a result, provides an argument that is self
> destructive to the writers image rather than supporting his or her point.

Wow! I love reading the thoughts of someone who actually judges a faith system without resorting to superfluous, unsupported arguments and blind arrogance. There are so few of these on this site, and throughout the world...

I think we could all learn a thing or two about fairness in our judgements from Ashitaka.

Dan

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Re: It's Magic   Thursday, June 1, 2006 (4:16 a.m.)

For god's sake. "Whisks its audience away etc" just means its an interesting story that peole enjoy reading (or at least I enjoy reading it. From the look of another post of yours, you merely "didn't consider it anything special as a piece of literature", instead of having a problem with the actual magic in it. If you don't like them, that's your opinion).

Another thing, despite your "proof" that love is not simply a huge sequence of extremely complex chemical reactions (which it essentially is, no matter what we think it is), there is no way you can proove this pastor guy's post is anything other than junk. Whatever you say, Harry Potter is not affecting anyone or turning them into satanists. I think HP is being "filtered through blind faith" by this pastor, because what he says sure aint happening. (Another thing: you said people "know for a fact" that what science describes love as is not the whole story. This is obivously incorrect; No tests can prove some magical thing called love exists and is not merely an illusion created by chemicals and neurons in the brain. People simply are convinced it exists. It's in our nature. This "fact" that it exists is just part of the illusion our unconscious brain regions are creating for us. Few peole like it, but that's the fact. Theory and observation can explain everything possible in the universe, as they define what is possible in the universe. Mystical powers and "indescribable" sensations like love are illusions. Oh and by the way, ta\hat reminds me: The so-called indescribable areas of the heart and mind have a description: They are merely the more primitive, animalistic, inner reaches of the brain that are responsible for emotions, desires and instincts. Oddly enough, they are also the areas responsible for love etc).

Part two: however influential the bible is, it is still comprised of what appears to be "traditioanal fictional stories". There is absolutely no way Jesus walked on water. Perhaps some of the stories are simply distorted versions of actual events (eg the five thousand people; maybe jesus simply happened to have a lot of food and his generosity became legendary, eventually being twisted into the obviously fake story we have today), but they have essentially become what has amounted to fiction (although, unlike HP, the bible actually claims to be factually correct). You have also forgotten that the bible was written and had its huge effects on western civilisation at a time very different to urs; back then people actually believed in magic etc and were more likely to swallow things we would never consider today. The main example: the bible. (Another thing: the bible does seem to be written, at least in part, to justify many of our civilisations acts thtat we would definitely not support today, eg leviticus saying slavery is all rgiht). Can you "enlighten" us to show the bible is real? I seriously doubt it.

Essentially, you are fighting against someone who is in the right. Instead of finding little technicalities to destroy arguments, try refuting this insane pastor. And another thing, grow up.

> Gee, I must have some serious introspection then, because for some reason,
> these stories fail to wisk me away on that magical mystery tour your
> raving about. As for the rest of your post, if rants on the occult make
> you sick, you must get a lot of notes from the doctor, because that seems
> a little bit sensitive. But that aspect of you post is unimportant. It's
> the other parts that interest me more.

> Must everything be filtered through blind faith you ask? Well, yes and no.
> Christians are intelligent human beings (believe it or not :o). We do have
> the ability to rationalize or reasons for doing certain things. Yet within
> the realm of faith, as with everything, there are certain things that
> cannot be proven with theory and observation. One of my favorite movie
> quotes offers a real good illustration of this. It's the scene in
> "Contact" where Ellie and Palmer are basically challenging each
> others beliefs.
>
Ellie:"What?"
> him?"
Ellie:"Yes, very much."
Palmer:"Prove
> it."
Now let me ask you, how would one go about proving such a
> thing by use of the scientific method? You may try, in which case you
> would ultimately come to the conclusion that this love could not possibly
> exist and is merely a mental illusion created by the subject to prevent
> herself from slipping into feelings of self doubt and thusly depression.
> Still, after reaching such a conclusion, try convincing the subject that
> it is true, try convincing anyone that their love for another is merely an
> illusional state of mind. In the end you will fail, simply because the
> people would somewhere in some indescribable area of their heart and mind
> know for a fact that what you presented is not the whole story, that some
> all important element is missing, something that all the theory and
> observation in the world could not identify and explain, and the only way
> it can be seen is through that blind faith you so despise.

> Immediately proceeding this you make the claim that the Bible is nothing
> but a series of fictional stories in of its self. Quite a bold claim,
> considering it is probably the most influential book in history on the
> path of western civilization. Yet despite the bold nature of your comment,
> you fail to enlighten us as to your reasoning for such a claim. It's
> almost as if you wish us to accept it "on faith." In this case,
> blind faith is not an acceptable answer to such a claim, given that there
> are documents that could be used to illustrate either parallels or
> contradictions in literature of the time, there is archeological evidence
> that could be searched for and that has been found, example the ashes of
> James brother of Jesus just recently recovered. So, you essentially could
> make scientific judgements in either direction regarding the Bible. Yet
> regardless, that fact seemed to pass you up.

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One small word of advise to you pastor, if you are going to make a case against something like Harry Potter and want people to actually hear you out instead of rolling their eyes and labeling you as yet another "fanatic nutcase" (no offense intended) I suggest avoiding the contradictions it posses to the bible approach and instead focus on its flaws as a piece of literature and entertainment. That is probably the only way you would hold sway on anyone on this sight.

As for the score, I can't say anything official until I see the film and hear the whole score, but from what I've heard from the clips on this sight, it is not much of an improvement from the first movie. It seemed that at a lot of points Williams thought he was still composing for AOTC, given that the music seemed to be pulled straight from that film. It is safe to assume that this is not the last post I will be placing for this film.

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> One small word of advise to you pastor, if you are going to make a case
> against something like Harry Potter and want people to actually hear you
> out instead of rolling their eyes and labeling you as yet another
> "fanatic nutcase" (no offense intended) I suggest avoiding the
> contradictions it posses to the bible approach and instead focus on its
> flaws as a piece of literature and entertainment. That is probably the
> only way you would hold sway on anyone on this sight.

These religious posts are part of a co-ordinated attack by religious organisations, not random pepole who just don't like Harry. In any case, most people here like HP too much (myself included) to be swayed by attacks on the literature. If they didn't like HP, they wouldn't be here. By the way, it's "site" not "sight".

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You can find the film offensive all you want, even if you ARE wrong.   Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (8:49 p.m.)

But the MUSIC?? Pleeeeeeease. . .

Sayonara!
Jockolantern

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Interesting music   Wednesday, November 13, 2002 (9:31 p.m.)

Hey buddy, got nothing better to say, don't say it.

Harry Potter scores for 1 and 2 are interesting. However, the Philosopher's Stone seems a bit stale...not enough theme to go with the movie's magical part.
I do hope the Chamber of Secrets will sound better.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (12:50 a.m.)

See you in hell!

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Please ignore this "pastor." He is *not* representative of Christians   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (1:34 a.m.)

Believe me, folks, this fellow is not representative of all Christian thought on the matter. I have heard actual sermons defending Harry Potter as the Huck Finn of our generation and helping to encourage kids to read. This fellow is either well-intentioned but misguided or just out to stir controversy for its own sake... pay no heed.

> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

And your rant is of a shallow mindset brought upon by the unthinking tradition of the doctrine of man's religion. There is a difference between faith in Christ, diligently seeking Him and upholding your own dogma as the [word of God]. I have a hard time picturing Jesus boycotting children's films. Regardless of my opinion of the quality of the first Harry Potter movie, did it not support positive values such as the strength and pureness of love? Jesus was a spiritual radical, and folks like you twist his name, words and actions into ham-fisted, illogical ignorance that not only is more akin to the pharisees that he was persecuted by, but more often that not, turns off those your are trying to "reach." The biggest obstacle to genuine Christianity in the world today is often some Christians themselves...

This all said, John Williams is a fine composer, and the Harry Potter music, while not spectacular, is quite enjoyable. How are YOU the one who discerns what music is OF GOD? Are there specific chord progressions and orchestration styles that are of God and those that aren't? Please, anyone reading this, pay no attention to this misguided fellow. He is represtentative of nothing but his own personal biases.

-Damage Control

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Hey Pastor, here's a thought for you...   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (5:38 a.m.)

Instead of preaching your hate all the time for Potter, why dont you spend your time more constructively... i.e. helping needy children...

Besides, whats the fuss about? The Harry Potter books have managed to do something no other book has done in a long time - make kids put down their computer game controllers and voluntarily read a book! That's gotta be a good thing right? Reading feeds the imagination, makes people think, gives people ideas... oh wait, now i see why religious fanatics dont like it... independant thought... hmmmmm....

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Pastor C St. John
Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (5:40 a.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

Yeah, all this is very cute, Mister C. St. John, but have you forgotten that Harry Potter is nothing but entertainment for children before everything? And why do guys like yourself always have to imply something bad in movies? Tell me.

Defrère Jérémy

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (8:53 a.m.)

If you think Mr. Potter is offensive now, just wait until the little kiddies at Hogwarts enter their sixth and seventh years at the school. By then, they'll be nearly matured adults, and you'll have Harry and Hermione looking at each other in a whole new hormonal light. Just think about how offensive it will be when that invisibility cloak is used to hide the two of them secretly engaging in outrageous sex acts throughout the castle. Yahoooo!!

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

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Would someone PLEASE kick this guy off?   Sunday, November 17, 2002 (11:40 p.m.)

> If you think Mr. Potter is offensive now, just wait until the little
> kiddies at Hogwarts enter their sixth and seventh years at the school. By
> then, they'll be nearly matured adults, and you'll have Harry and Hermione
> looking at each other in a whole new hormonal light. Just think about how
> offensive it will be when that invisibility cloak is used to hide the two
> of them secretly engaging in outrageous sex acts throughout the castle.
> Yahoooo!!

> Watch out, young wizard! Don't confuse your wand with your penis!

>

Geez, can you at least TRY to post something mature? This is totally vulgar and uncalled for. How about attempting an intelligent conversation?

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I am sorry sir, but you are wrong   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (1:19 p.m.)

I am disappointed with the way that about 85% of the Christian community is handling the situation of Harry Potter. I am writing this to state publicly that I myself am a Christian. Maybe if the people in the community would take the time to find out more about the author herself, maybe they wouldn't be saying the things that they are right now. J.K. Rowling came from an abusive relationship, and the only way she could actually get her kids to escape that reality, was when she began to write the books about a boy who is estranged from the rest of the world. The thing that about 90% of the Christian communtiy fails to realize is the fact that they sit here and rip on Harry Potter because it was supposedly written by a non-christian. News flash here, didn't Lord of the Rings also deal in the subject of sorcery? People right now are so blind, they think that since a book was written by "Christian" it can be deemed as not a spawn of Satan but rather good literature. I think Harry Potter is probably the best thing that has ever happened in the world of children's books. I just hope that in due time, Christians around the world will get off of their walls and actually take time to see how wrong they are. But like any good thing, this will all take time.

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Hey, what about me?   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (6:15 p.m.)

Remember that there's also the christians who don't like Harry Potter because they don't consider it anything special as a piece of literature. Although I'd say it is a very rare case (wink, wink).

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Re: I am sorry sir, but you are wrong   Sunday, November 17, 2002 (11:35 p.m.)

> I am disappointed with the way that about 85% of the Christian community
> is handling the situation of Harry Potter. I am writing this to state
> publicly that I myself am a Christian. Maybe if the people in the
> community would take the time to find out more about the author herself,
> maybe they wouldn't be saying the things that they are right now. J.K.
> Rowling came from an abusive relationship, and the only way she could
> actually get her kids to escape that reality, was when she began to write
> the books about a boy who is estranged from the rest of the world. The
> thing that about 90% of the Christian communtiy fails to realize is the
> fact that they sit here and rip on Harry Potter because it was supposedly
> written by a non-christian. News flash here, didn't Lord of the Rings also
> deal in the subject of sorcery? People right now are so blind, they think
> that since a book was written by "Christian" it can be deemed as
> not a spawn of Satan but rather good literature. I think Harry Potter is
> probably the best thing that has ever happened in the world of children's
> books. I just hope that in due time, Christians around the world will get
> off of their walls and actually take time to see how wrong they are. But
> like any good thing, this will all take time.

Yeah, 85% is a GROSS overstatement. More like 1 or 2% probably. It's just seems like that much because those are the ones that are vocal about it (and that post things about it on this site).

Dan

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Thursday, November 14, 2002 (5:42 p.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

I'm sorry, but you're in for it now....

Calling Harry Potter witchcraft is not right. True, the school's name is "Hogwarts School of WITCHCRAFT and wizardry," but if you take in the context of the whole name, it becomes the feminine term to the use of magic, like wizardry is the masculine term. Doubtless, if it didn't have the word "witchcraft" in it, HP would not cause as near as much controversy as it is right now. I have read several books on real witchcraft/magic (I use "magic" loosely) written by credible Christian authors, and if you compare what they say about witchcraft to the magic in Harry Potter, or just about any book in the fantasy genre for that matter, it's not the same. Real witchcraft tends to deal a lot with manipulating demons, and performing a lot of rituals, whereas in HP and other fantasy books, the magic used is more about saying some weird word to do something that would not be physically possible in our own world. Because fantasy worlds AREN'T in our world! Fantasy worlds tend to leave out God and Satan, and instead make their own forces of good and evil, which isn't necessarily wrong (even Tolkien's works didn't really have anything to do with God). I think undue emphasis is placed on the word "witchcraft."

You have read the books, haven't you? The magic in them is basically the same as you see in the fantasy stories/fairy tales that have been around for hundreds of years. It's not that much different from Disney either. Some is taken from common myths and folk tales, like Halloween. You have people in long cloaks and pointy hats riding on broomsticks, like we've always associated with "witches." The truth is that real witchcraft is far different from what I have just described. I don't think I have to explain the physics of gravity, or why people don't just float around all day here on Earth, because it's obvious that it's impossible. That's why it's called FANTASY. Because it's NOT REAL. So what it comes down to is that it's just someone's imagination. I don't think J.K. Rowling based her own breed of magic on the real world's witchcraft, but rather on the age-old myths, legends, and fairy tales we've all grown up with. Why, if you say that HP is bad, are you not ragging on all books in the fantasy genre then? Why not condemn The Lord of the Rings, or The Chronicles of Narnia while you're at it?

To young and old readers alike, it's just escapism. I will appreciate forever my little brother, who persuaded me to read HP and the Sorcerer’s Stone. There have been so many times when I wish I could go off to another place contrary to our own reality, like Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy, like Harry Potter. It's fun for me to see how someone can use the imagination that God game him/her. If all books had to relate only to reality, to God, then it would get boring very fast. If parents would just raise their children to discern the line between fact and fiction, to know when to say "that would be cool if it existed, but it doesn't" then there wouldn't be any problem with the books at all. Harry Potter doesn't "influence" people, it's bad parenting, and crappy living situations.

Yes, Harry Potter does have friendship, courage, good vs. evil, just like so many other books. When you say "worldly," you mean "non-Christian" which entails that you don't like the book because the author is not Christian. Unless there is some record of Ms. Rowling saying that she is not a Christian, I don't think you can say that she is "worldly." If you're calling the work "worldly," you should remember that many Christian authors have written books that don't necessarily have anything to do with God. Is this bad? NO! Nice use of a Bible verse. The Bible also says that none will know when the last days will be, that Christ will come like a thief in the night. Therefore, you can't prove that those days are upon us, or that Christians are being deceived and being led astray by reading Harry Potter. Here's a Bible verse of my own that I'd like to share: "I didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it."

I think that the same can be said of the movie, seeing to what great pains were taken to faithfully reproduce the book in almost every aspect. Regardless of how enjoyable it was for people (I myself loved it), the point is that the movie, like the book, has nothing to do with witchcraft of our world. It's an entirely different concept, that for some unfortunate reason is called to some degree by the same name. I call it simply magic. Fantasy.

ALSO!!!! To imply that film music can be somehow connected to the movie, outside having a supporting role on adding different emotions, is ABSOLUTELY WRONG! How many times have I been made fun of because I have the soundtrack to a stupid movie, or one that just wasn't on that particular person's list of best movies? Too many! Many times people have looked through my soundtrack collection and said "Oooh! I like that movie!" etc. You are obviously someone who doesn't know CRAP about music! A film shares little in common with the movie it was composed for, and to suggest otherwise is naive and immature. A movie should not reflect in any way on the soundtrack. To say that John Williams' excellent score (from one who is not a Williams fan, maybe that's why...I just like it more than most of his others) is in some way supporting witchcraft is even more outrageous than saying the movie/books support it!

Throughout history, a person's personal interpretation of their theology's beliefs have caused major persecution, inhibiting progress in many ways. For hundreds of years, most people in the world believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, mainly because they took the Catholic Church's misguided information for granted, and never thought it out themselves, or did any research in the matter, with an open mind. What I see here is the same forceful condemnation directed towards Harry Potter with no real facts, that the Inquisition was known for. What's really sad it that so many people will listen to outspoken people like you, and never read the book and think about it themselves, before they blindly buy in to your narrow-minded crap.

-a different Joe, trying to catch his breath

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Generally, I agree with you.   Sunday, November 17, 2002 (11:28 p.m.)

There's a lot of good stuff in here, and really only a couple things I disagree with.

> I'm sorry, but you're in for it now....

> Calling Harry Potter witchcraft is not right. True, the school's name is
> "Hogwarts School of WITCHCRAFT and wizardry," but if you take in
> the context of the whole name, it becomes the feminine term to the use of
> magic, like wizardry is the masculine term. Doubtless, if it didn't have
> the word "witchcraft" in it, HP would not cause as near as much
> controversy as it is right now. I have read several books on real
> witchcraft/magic (I use "magic" loosely) written by credible
> Christian authors, and if you compare what they say about witchcraft to
> the magic in Harry Potter, or just about any book in the fantasy genre for
> that matter, it's not the same. Real witchcraft tends to deal a lot with
> manipulating demons, and performing a lot of rituals, whereas in HP and
> other fantasy books, the magic used is more about saying some weird word
> to do something that would not be physically possible in our own world.
> Because fantasy worlds AREN'T in our world! Fantasy worlds tend to leave
> out God and Satan, and instead make their own forces of good and evil,
> which isn't necessarily wrong (even Tolkien's works didn't really have
> anything to do with God). I think undue emphasis is placed on the word
> "witchcraft."

Good point. I definitely think it's a stretch to say that HP promotes witchcraft. The type of magic that it uses is the "abracadabra", "say a word and give someone a cold" kind of magic that we see in virtually all magic-fantasy works, especially those written for children. Nowhere near devil worship and the occult really. That would be like saying it's immoral to kiss somebody because it could turn into sexual promiscuity. Let's not go overboard here.

> You have read the books, haven't you? The magic in them is basically the
> same as you see in the fantasy stories/fairy tales that have been around
> for hundreds of years. It's not that much different from Disney either.
> Some is taken from common myths and folk tales, like Halloween. You have
> people in long cloaks and pointy hats riding on broomsticks, like we've
> always associated with "witches." The truth is that real
> witchcraft is far different from what I have just described. I don't think
> I have to explain the physics of gravity, or why people don't just float
> around all day here on Earth, because it's obvious that it's impossible.
> That's why it's called FANTASY. Because it's NOT REAL. So what it comes
> down to is that it's just someone's imagination. I don't think J.K.
> Rowling based her own breed of magic on the real world's witchcraft, but
> rather on the age-old myths, legends, and fairy tales we've all grown up
> with. Why, if you say that HP is bad, are you not ragging on all books in
> the fantasy genre then? Why not condemn The Lord of the Rings, or The
> Chronicles of Narnia while you're at it?

Right on. Both of those works most definitely have elements of magic in them, but they were both written by strong Christians with an impassioned love for Jesus. I guarantee you they weren't trying to promote witchcraft.

> To young and old readers alike, it's just escapism. I will appreciate
> forever my little brother, who persuaded me to read HP and the Sorcerer’s
> Stone. There have been so many times when I wish I could go off to another
> place contrary to our own reality, like Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy,
> like Harry Potter. It's fun for me to see how someone can use the
> imagination that God game him/her. If all books had to relate only to
> reality, to God, then it would get boring very fast. If parents would just
> raise their children to discern the line between fact and fiction, to know
> when to say "that would be cool if it existed, but it doesn't"
> then there wouldn't be any problem with the books at all. Harry Potter
> doesn't "influence" people, it's bad parenting, and crappy
> living situations.

Another great assessment. The problem is not with the work, it's with the discretion of those reading it (or seeing it, or listening to it). Parents have to be involved with teaching their children the difference between fantasy and reality, between what's possible and what isn't. If you're worried about the movie, go see it with your child and then discuss it afterwards. I think that's the better solution than flat out condemning it.

> Yes, Harry Potter does have friendship, courage, good vs. evil, just like
> so many other books. When you say "worldly," you mean
> "non-Christian" which entails that you don't like the book
> because the author is not Christian. Unless there is some record of Ms.
> Rowling saying that she is not a Christian, I don't think you can say that
> she is "worldly." If you're calling the work
> "worldly," you should remember that many Christian authors have
> written books that don't necessarily have anything to do with God. Is this

Ah, you have to be careful here. Did he tell you that he was equating "wordly" with "non-Christian"? I didn't see it in his post. It's kind of presumptuous to say that this guy doesn't like non-Christian authors. As far as I can tell, he's just talking about Harry Potter, not all works by non-Christian authors. This is the stuff that miscommunication is made of, so watch out.

Nice use of a Bible verse. The Bible also says that none will know when the last days will be, that Christ will come like a thief in the
> night. Therefore, you can't prove that those days are upon us, or that
> Christians are being deceived and being led astray by reading Harry
> Potter. Here's a Bible verse of my own that I'd like to share: "I
> didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it."

Not to mention there have been literally thousands of people that have tried to predict the end of the world according to "biblical truth" - which is really just their INTERPRETATION of what they read in the Bible, not what it actually says - and ALL of them have been wrong (including Nostradamus).

> I think that the same can be said of the movie, seeing to what great pains
> were taken to faithfully reproduce the book in almost every aspect.
> Regardless of how enjoyable it was for people (I myself loved it), the
> point is that the movie, like the book, has nothing to do with witchcraft
> of our world. It's an entirely different concept, that for some
> unfortunate reason is called to some degree by the same name. I call it
> simply magic. Fantasy.

> ALSO!!!! To imply that film music can be somehow connected to the movie,
> outside having a supporting role on adding different emotions, is
> ABSOLUTELY WRONG! How many times have I been made fun of because I have
> the soundtrack to a stupid movie, or one that just wasn't on that
> particular person's list of best movies? Too many! Many times people have
> looked through my soundtrack collection and said "Oooh! I like that
> movie!" etc. You are obviously someone who doesn't know CRAP about
> music! A film shares little in common with the movie it was composed for,
> and to suggest otherwise is naive and immature. A movie should not reflect
> in any way on the soundtrack. To say that John Williams' excellent score
> (from one who is not a Williams fan, maybe that's why...I just like it
> more than most of his others) is in some way supporting witchcraft is even
> more outrageous than saying the movie/books support it!

Here lies the major problem I have with your post. First of all, for some reason you suddenly loose your respectful tone and lower yourself to the level of an idiot with phrases like "You are obviously someone who doesn't know CRAP about music". Why do that now, and after what was up to this point a very mature post? It's almost like somebody else wrote that paragraph!

Secondly, I would like to challenge your assertion that movie music has little or nothing to do with the movie itself. Certainly a good movie soundtrack needs to be able to be listened to independent of the movie itself - otherwise why sell it? - but to say that the music has no place in the movie other than a minor supporting role is ridiculous and ignorant. I would like to know how you would make the execution scene in Braveheart work without music, for instance. How would any movie sound without musical backup? Much different, that's for sure! Obviously the music is a very important and integral part of any movie, and the best experience is gained when the two are joined to create a glorious tapestry of art. The movie Glory is another great example of a movie that wouldn't be nearly as powerful without its music.

One point I do agree with you on here: John Williams' music for HP definitely doesn't promote witchcraft.

> Throughout history, a person's personal interpretation of their theology's
> beliefs have caused major persecution, inhibiting progress in many ways.
> For hundreds of years, most people in the world believed that the Earth
> was the center of the universe, mainly because they took the Catholic
> Church's misguided information for granted, and never thought it out
> themselves, or did any research in the matter, with an open mind. What I
> see here is the same forceful condemnation directed towards Harry Potter
> with no real facts, that the Inquisition was known for. What's really sad
> it that so many people will listen to outspoken people like you, and never

An important distinction needs to be made here: that God is NOT responsible for the evil things that we do, even if we do them in His name. Misinterpretation of the Bible is man's problem, not God's. So PLEASE make sure to judge Christianity fairly with this in mind. There are so many people in this world that get this so very wrong.

Cheers!

Dan

> -a different Joe, trying to catch his breath

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Re: Generally, I agree with you.   Saturday, November 23, 2002 (8:32 p.m.)

> There's a lot of good stuff in here, and really only a couple things I
> disagree with.

Oh. I guess that means you like me more than you dislike me...relatively speaking. Either way, I'll take that as a compliment!

> Good point. I definitely think it's a stretch to say that HP promotes
> witchcraft. The type of magic that it uses is the "abracadabra",
> "say a word and give someone a cold" kind of magic that we see
> in virtually all magic-fantasy works, especially those written for
> children. Nowhere near devil worship and the occult really. That would be
> like saying it's immoral to kiss somebody because it could turn into
> sexual promiscuity. Let's not go overboard here.

Thanks!

> Right on. Both of those works most definitely have elements of magic in
> them, but they were both written by strong Christians with an impassioned
> love for Jesus. I guarantee you they weren't trying to promote witchcraft.

Thanks!

> Another great assessment. The problem is not with the work, it's with the
> discretion of those reading it (or seeing it, or listening to it). Parents
> have to be involved with teaching their children the difference between
> fantasy and reality, between what's possible and what isn't. If you're
> worried about the movie, go see it with your child and then discuss it
> afterwards. I think that's the better solution than flat out condemning
> it.

Thanks!

> Ah, you have to be careful here. Did he tell you that he was equating
> "wordly" with "non-Christian"? I didn't see it in his
> post. It's kind of presumptuous to say that this guy doesn't like
> non-Christian authors. As far as I can tell, he's just talking about Harry
> Potter, not all works by non-Christian authors. This is the stuff that
> miscommunication is made of, so watch out.

True. I'm getting kind of worked up at this point (more than at the beginning......)

> Nice use of a Bible verse. The Bible also says that none will know when
> the last days will be, that Christ will come like a thief in the

> Not to mention there have been literally thousands of people that have
> tried to predict the end of the world according to "biblical
> truth" - which is really just their INTERPRETATION of what they read
> in the Bible, not what it actually says - and ALL of them have been wrong

True.

> Here lies the major problem I have with your post. First of all, for some
> reason you suddenly loose your respectful tone and lower yourself to the
> level of an idiot with phrases like "You are obviously someone who
> doesn't know CRAP about music". Why do that now, and after what was
> up to this point a very mature post? It's almost like somebody else wrote
> that paragraph!

Ahhh! You kind of lost it on me too...but I forgive you. What you are seeing is a different Joe getting extremely worked up about people with the sheer audacity to insult film music in such a naive and immature way. You could say I lost it after reading that. After all the people who misunderstand film music, here's one more!

Oh, and who said there's just one of me?!?! I'm prone to mood drastic mood swings.....especially concerning people who insult film music. I have no respect for them whatsoever.

> Secondly, I would like to challenge your assertion that movie music has
> little or nothing to do with the movie itself. Certainly a good movie
> soundtrack needs to be able to be listened to independent of the movie
> itself - otherwise why sell it? - but to say that the music has no place
> in the movie other than a minor supporting role is ridiculous and
> ignorant. I would like to know how you would make the execution scene in
> Braveheart work without music, for instance. How would any movie sound
> without musical backup? Much different, that's for sure! Obviously the
> music is a very important and integral part of any movie, and the best
> experience is gained when the two are joined to create a glorious tapestry
> of art. The movie Glory is another great example of a movie that wouldn't
> be nearly as powerful without its music.

I disagree! It could be my choice of words. To say that a film score promotes "witchcraft" because the film it is used in allegedly supports "witchcraft" is absolutely wrong! That was my point. It's just that I've had people make fun of me because I have a film score to a particularly dumb movie. That has nothing to do with it! That's what I was trying to say. The movie itself should in no way reflect on a score's reputation. Unfortunately, this is not the case most of the time.....

I think you got it backward, from my point of view, but that's ok.

> One point I do agree with you on here: John Williams' music for HP
> definitely doesn't promote witchcraft.

There we go!

> An important distinction needs to be made here: that God is NOT
> responsible for the evil things that we do, even if we do them in His
> name. Misinterpretation of the Bible is man's problem, not God's. So
> PLEASE make sure to judge Christianity fairly with this in mind. There are
> so many people in this world that get this so very wrong.

Yes, true. Sorry I didn't make that clear. I'm not judging Christianity in any way. I'm just noting examples where different groups have used the Bible to their own ends, because most people didn't read it for themselves. It's still that way today, it seems, if that character proves anything.

I'm glad you agree with me on most things! You have a bright future ahead of you (not that I can tell the future or anything ....I'm just guessing)!

> Cheers!

Happy New Year!

> Dan

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Re: Generally, I agree with you.   Thursday, December 5, 2002 (8:36 p.m.)

> I disagree! It could be my choice of words. To say that a film score
> promotes "witchcraft" because the film it is used in allegedly
> supports "witchcraft" is absolutely wrong! That was my point.

See, I agree with that, but that's not the way you wrote it. You said that music for a movie and the movie itself are independent entities, which is untrue.

> It's just that I've had people make fun of me because I have a film score
> to a particularly dumb movie. That has nothing to do with it!

Well, this may be true in a select few cases, but I can't really think of a movie off the top of my head that was bad but had a great soundtrack, or good but had a bad soundtrack. The score of a picture is so important in effecting the emotional impact of the piece that it's usually impossible to separate them.

That's what I was trying to say. The movie itself should in no way reflect on a
> score's reputation. Unfortunately, this is not the case most of the time.....

...for the reason I just mentioned.

> I think you got it backward, from my point of view, but that's ok.

No, I took great pains to interpret your post correctly. Perhaps the error was in the delivery and not the reception.

Whatever the case, I appreciate your respectful tone (for the most part) to an outrageous post. Thanks for keeping your cool!

Cordially - Dan

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Max
Possibly......   Sunday, December 8, 2002 (5:33 p.m.)

I'm sorry we disagree on this, but it's ok really.

> ...for the reason I just mentioned.

Ok, let me say this: you keep saying "the score brings this and that to the movie......." but I'm saying, what does the movie bring to the score? It's not really a 2-way thing. The score supports the movie in various ways, adding emotional depth etc, but it doesn't go the other way. It may be true that you can think what scene is going on while whichever cue is playing, but it doesn't go much farther than that. I've bought a lot of scores that I hadn't seen the movie to at that point, like K-19. It was just pure, un-adultered music at that part...the movie didn't have anything to do with my musical experience yet.

> No, I took great pains to interpret your post correctly. Perhaps the error
> was in the delivery and not the reception.

Possibly......

It doesn't really matter. What matters is that you and I both agree to disagree with the original poster-guy.

> Whatever the case, I appreciate your respectful tone (for the most part)
> to an outrageous post. Thanks for keeping your cool!

Hey thanks too! And as for the respectful part, it kept getting more difficult to maintain, and insulting a film score in complete ignorance was the straw that broke the camel's back (or broke Joe's restraint).

> Cordially - Dan

Sincerely - Joe

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Who Cares   Sunday, October 1, 2006 (1:13 a.m.)

> It doesn't really matter. What matters is that you and I both agree to
> disagree with the original poster-guy.

We don't need to criticise little ibt so feach other's wrk, guys! Most of your argument was on your opinions of how music and films are related. Who cares? Eithe rway, HP is satanic.

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u all suck!   Thursday, November 27, 2003 (5:55 a.m.)

um..yeah. no offence, but all u ppl who say that Harry Potter promotes evil are just paranoid morons. if u think that all your kids will turn into delinquents, or people who worship SATAN, (who in my opinion was invented to allow christians to both futher persecute pagan people, and to rid themselves of the evil they caused-hey, if you can blame the fact that you murdered your mum on some clawed, salivating entity, who floats around being a jerk , then hey, maybe you can get off scott-free!), just cos they watched a MOVIE, then its not the movies problem, it is yours. you, and the fact that you probably let them walk all over you at home. ie. you dont discipline them properly.
oh, and btw, WITCHCRAFT is NOT about worshipping satan, or demons. b4 you start slagging ppl off, maybe you should get your facts right.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Thursday, April 23, 2009 (1:49 a.m.)
• Now Playing: Breaking Benjamin - Blow Me Away

All people who believe Harry Potter is evil: It's fiction. Get over it you bunch of whiny assholes. Stop thinking that JK Rowling is trying to praise the devil and get over it. Stop getting overly offended and get a life.

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Prince of Darkness...   Friday, November 15, 2002 (2:45 a.m.)

When you say Prince Of Darkness you mean Ozzy Osbourne right???
I didn't know that Ozzy was co-writing the score with Williams...

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Re: Prince of Darkness...   Monday, November 25, 2002 (3:02 p.m.)

> When you say Prince Of Darkness you mean Ozzy Osbourne right???
I
> didn't know that Ozzy was co-writing the score with Williams...

where in the Bible does it say magic is bad!!!???

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Read it and find out.   Sunday, December 1, 2002 (11:53 p.m.)

Ozzy's got a better chance of making it into heaven than Aguilera. That's my guess.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Friday, November 15, 2002 (5:07 a.m.)

Yo, get a life. It's a STORY. It isn't REAL. You know, you should worry more about yourself than about prosletyzing on a web site devoted to MUSIC. Maybe you should mind your own religion; it seems like there's plenty of hypocricy in your own backyard than to be worrying about a MOVIE.

You know, it sounds like you're jealous, really. Because JK Rowling hit upon commercial success, you're miffed because YOU didn't think of it. Did you say the same thing about Tolkien's LOTR? How about Star Wars? Aren't all the aliens just demons? Hey, I know, why don't you go bash Disney now? I mean, the Sorcerer's Apprecntice in Fantasia was WITCHCRAFT, right?

You are entitled to your own opinion, of course, but keep in mind where you are preaching because we like music on this site, not holy rollers.

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Think twice before you post   Friday, November 15, 2002 (6:02 a.m.)

Of course this movie is not of God.

In which country do you think you're living?
This is America, neither the heaven nor "the Land of Hope and Glory."
There are already lots of things which will be considered as "evil" in this country, but why only Potter?You forgot your original duty.
Why not continue your evengelical mission but to post an insignificent message on a filmusic board? There's no doubt that you're not a real pastor.
If you are, you must be a very poor pastor.Because you completely don't know what you believe, and the true meaning had lost in your mind. I even doubt that whether you're a Christian or not.
Christians shall devote theirselves to saving lives, not berating.

The music from Harry Potter is wonderful. If anyone wants to criticize it, please post your comments here;otherwise, please go to a religious board.

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

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It's just a story! It's not real! Get a GRIP!   Friday, November 15, 2002 (8:16 a.m.)

Why are you wasting your time here on a website for soundtracks? Remember it's just a story! It's not real! Calm down! Get a grip! Harry Potter is a wizard fighting for good, not evil, dark forces! It's kind of like STAR WARS! Luke Skywalker used the Force, but Darth Vader and the Emperor used the DARK side of the Force. Harry Potter is a good story with lots of adventure and excitement. Harry's a good wizard, sort of like the good witch Glenda in the Wizard of Oz!

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Saturday, November 16, 2002 (8:41 a.m.)

Pastor,

this site is about the appreciation of film music. though you're entitled to your belief's it has no warrant here...

On your comments I believe throughout the ages their has been many childhood stories that have dealt with the black arts, these continue to be told and enjoyed by kids all over. Give kids the chance to dream and imagine. If a parent does his or her job correctly then a child should have enough understanding between what is real and what is not and moral's, character and belief's would not be altered by a book, other than to be part of and join in harry's adventures whilst turning the pages of his books or in the flickering magical light of a cinema.

You don't stop playing cause you grow old.
You grow old cause you stop playing!

Harry Potter's stories have nothing to do with religion so let's leave it that way!

regards, Marc Checkley
(A Kiwi in Singapore)

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God gave you brains--use them *NM*   Saturday, November 16, 2002 (12:28 p.m.)

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Who is the idiot who wrote this?   Monday, November 25, 2002 (12:06 p.m.)

Harry Potter is a frickin book! What movie nowadays does not feature people lying/stealing? Another thing: you are a judgemental bastard. Wiccanism and other forms of witchery are recognized religions and to speak against them in such generalising and ignorant tones is PREJUDICE and shows arrogance. Don't think that I am a 'heathen' supporting these things because I happen to be a devout Catholic and as such, follow the Bible in being TOLERANT. Except of people like you. You are an idiot. in addition, this site is about MUSIC! not the books. get a life you horrible, judgemental, self-righteous disgrace to God. Stop carrying out your own stupid crusades in His Holy Name.
Jay

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, November 26, 2002 (3:15 a.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes.

Maybe...perhaps...the authors of the Bible had a hidden agenda on not including such a distinction. Maybe they thought it would be counter-productive if they included it. Or, maybe, this whole notion is irrelevant, and we should strive to be good rather than support a power-hungry dogma.

> In fact,

You mean your interpretation of reality.

> Where have morals gone also?

That's what I keep asking myself on these polarized, superficial, pro-Christian arguments. Morals are about being good, not about being a loyal follower of any particular group--which could itself be interpreted as immoral.

Metacritic

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Don't ever forget what tolerance means!   Sunday, December 1, 2002 (11:46 p.m.)

And what does tolerance mean? It means little to nothing more than merely tolerating the existence of your neighbor. The Christian who writes criticisms only WRITES them. It does not mean that he is an intolerant bigot...at least not so much as applied to those who scream at him/her for it. Nobody has been killed over subjects covering the Harry Potter movies or books. The same principle applies to freedom of speech, when people march and protest...but throw one bottle, strike one person, and a protest rally must immediately be deemed an illegal gathering to be put in jail. This guy can say whatever criticisms he wants about Hary Potter, or Wicca, or whatever. It must suck for some knowing that this is America!
Personally, I like John Williams's music, and I'll give this album four stars solely on that basis. Heck, I think I might even go out and buy it, but I don't like Harry Potter. I suppose people who aren't big Williams fans would object, but this is just me.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Friday, January 3, 2003 (6:28 p.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

Ok lisen,its just a kids book. And there is nothing wrong or violent with these stories. The book has nothing to do with god or anything affensive to god. you are just a moron that has no life and think that anything is devil related but personaly you are just plain ignorent. Its time to grow up and live in the world of today,not back in the times of the crusades. i cant stand people like you that inforce your beliefs on other people and if they dont follow you consider them evil and immoral. So look get over it,its a children book! Get a life.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, May 6, 2003 (9:29 a.m.)

Dude what the is wrong with you?
First: you have to realize that ITS JUST A MOVIE!!!!! Second: I think everyone has seen the wizerd of Oz oooohhhh my ING god!!! I think were all going to Hell. For the most part I think the movie sucks. I'm only writing this because I just happend on to this site by accident, and what you wrote is really stupid. you think that Harry ing Potter is the only movie out there that pertians to Witch Craft(what are you stupid). All the kids are going to Hell because of people like YOU who CRAM religion down thier throats. People like you preach religion out of fear and control. You scare people into beliving you, by telling inosent children, and thier parents that they whatching Satanic movies of wich will entice them to play with Witchcraft. BOTTOM LINE I don't hate religin. I HATE The people in religi, for religin canot curupt itself.

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Religion canot curupt itslef(It takes people like you)   Tuesday, May 6, 2003 (9:31 a.m.)

Dude what the is wrong with you?
First: you have to realize that ITS JUST A MOVIE!!!!! Second: I think everyone has seen the wizerd of Oz oooohhhh my ING god!!! I think were all going to Hell. For the most part I think the movie sucks. I'm only writing this because I just happend on to this site by accident, and what you wrote is really stupid. you think that Harry ing Potter is the only movie out there that pertians to Witch Craft(what are you stupid). All the kids are going to Hell because of people like YOU who CRAM religion down thier throats. People like you preach religion out of fear and control. You scare people into beliving you, by telling inosent children, and thier parents that they whatching Satanic movies of wich will entice them to play with Witchcraft. BOTTOM LINE I don't hate religin. I HATE The people in religi, for religin canot curupt itself.

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The music is an entirely different thing from the movie   Tuesday, August 12, 2003 (3:48 a.m.)

The music is an entirely different thing from the movie or the books. I admit to being a Christian and greatly enjoying the Harry Potter books and movies. I see the danger in them, but I see no reason to condemn them as seriously as you have. Also, any movie has nothing to do with the music in it. I know several movies that I hate but the music I love. The Harry Potter movies I understand could be offensive to people (though not to me), but the music is lovely, exciting and motivating. I am a John Williams fan and will continue to collect his music regardless what movie it is written for.

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Re: The music is an entirely different thing from the movie   Friday, December 2, 2005 (4:21 p.m.)

> The music is an entirely different thing from the movie or the books. I
> admit to being a Christian and greatly enjoying the Harry Potter books and
> movies. I see the danger in them, but I see no reason to condemn them as
> seriously as you have. Also, any movie has nothing to do with the music in
> it. I know several movies that I hate but the music I love. The Harry
> Potter movies I understand could be offensive to people (though not to
> me), but the music is lovely, exciting and motivating. I am a John
> Williams fan and will continue to collect his music regardless what movie
> it is written for.
You see danger in a movie made for children? Why? Because it leads people from believing in other fantasies such as a cosmic sky daddy and the rest of the "sanctioned" tales of anger, intolarance, control and murder? When will we ever blow the whistle on all this religious crap? It's as if people don't want to think for themselves. One thing I can say is once I know someone's religion I can easily predict their position on vertually any issue put before them. They become transparent. It reminds me of a doll with a pull string to access a recording, so when one asks a question of a christian they just pull a string and out pours the same old response TOLD to them by articulate advocates of their faith. THINK FOR YOURSELF! Danger in a child's film? Have we no backbone? No inate understanding? God save us from religion.(X@

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Wednesday, September 24, 2003 (8:22 a.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

Mmk, this film is not supposed to be about God. For someone who dislikes it as much as you do, you know a lot about it. The spells in Harry Potter are MADE UP! They are fiction. I don't think anyone literally goes out and tries to perform them. Get off of this Harry Potter site, or you will be named an abomination! Preach to someone who cares.

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No More Religious Crap Please!!!   Tuesday, December 23, 2003 (3:13 a.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

The film is 'not of God'?
Well, DUH! Of course its not of God. why do people constantly refer to religion in Harry Potter?! The two have nothing in common and Harry Potter was never meant to do anything with religion. And cursing Harry Potter because it has no mention of God and uses imaginative ways of conjuring a magical adventure is pure lunacy.
Harry Potter is FICTIONAL! It has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION! Enough Said.

And PLEASE DELETE THE COMMENTS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCORE!!!
STOP POSTING RELIGION ON A FILMTRACK REVIEW SITE!!! GEEZ!!!

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Thursday, September 30, 2004 (7:30 p.m.)

Talk about living in a fantasy world!

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Monday, November 15, 2004 (8:30 a.m.)

I would just like to say that Harry Potter is not bad and you are blowing off that it is wrong and isn't GOD supposed to love you no matter what you do. I am a Wiccan and it isn't all bad because there are good spells and for your information Wiccan was the first religion before Christianity. Wiccan is when you can help Mother Nature aswell. Also in the Harry Potter films Harry isn't on the dark side and he looks after his friends and tries to stop Voldemort who is on the dark side. So i suggest you think before you act. I'm sorry if i'm offending other christians but it's true.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Monday, November 15, 2004 (8:43 a.m.)

I would also like to say that in the bible it says do nothing wrong blah blah but if you do nothing wrong then you must be dead. You can't live your life doing nothing wrong. Having a baby is a sin but how is more people going to get on to this earth. If you do nothing wrong then your perfect and frankly nobody's perfect. Also Harry Potter is not a kids book it's for anyone because adults read it aswell.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, February 1, 2005 (8:18 p.m.)

This is about the most rediculous topic I have ever came across on the internet. If you want to know the truth I'm just looking for a good argument, so here it goes. I have read the Harry Potter books (they have been assigned reading for literature classes I have taken in the past), and I have found nothing offensive in any of them. They were simply written for one purpose--entertainment. Mind you, they are not written well, but entertaining nonetheless (compared to some other assigned reading). It is funny to think that someone could be so ignorant as to speculate that these books are condemning our youth to hell. If Harry Potter is going to sentence all of the world's youth to damnation, then we are all terribly screwed. Imagine all of the classics (Joyce's "A Portrait of the Artist...", Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye", etc.) that are being taught in schools, and are also being enjoyed by millions of young people. Now you are probably saying, "There is no hope. Our young people are going to hell in a handbasket all thanks to the profound society that we live in." The only thing that I happen to find profound is the senselessness of this scatterbrained attempt to solve the world's problems. Maybe if you got a real job (no, sensless ranter a.k.a. preacher, or whatever you call yourself is not a real job) you would not have time to sit around and think of something as trivial as Harry Potter. God Bless.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Monday, June 27, 2005 (8:11 a.m.)

Look its a work of fiction nothing more or less why do you people always go after that are fiction,it makes you people look stupid

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your mom is the prince of darkness!!!   Thursday, February 23, 2006 (4:08 p.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

What is your problem? Don't you have anything better to do than post stuff about Harry Potter? I guess I'm going to hell 4 sure because I love Harry Potter. I've read each book about 4 times. but I don't do the spells or mix the potions or ride on a broom (though it sounds like a lot of fun). sorry to say this but the bible has more satanic referances and violence than any book I've ever read. Harry Potter is not satans angel he is a ficitional character and there are a Butt load of books that have nothing to do with god.example: Cinderella.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, March 21, 2006 (3:41 p.m.)

> The movie and its supporting music puts a positive face on witchcraft by
> making a distinction between white magic and the black arts, a distinction
> that the Bible never makes. In fact, the Bible associates all forms of
> sorcery with the Prince of Darkness...Young people who watch the movie
> will identify emotionally with the heros and heroines and want to be just
> like them and, in the process, the positive exposure to occult practices
> will desensitize them to the dangers and maybe entice them to
> experimentation.

> Not only does Harry Potter not have anything at all to do with God but it
> promotes such acts as divination, necromancy, incantations and other
> occultic practices, and such behaviour like lying, cheating, stealing and
> other bad behaviours that kids will imitate as Harry Potter is a hero
> amongst their generation. Harry Potter seemed to have a hypnotic feel to
> it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie. If I
> offend anyone with my next statement then tough but it's the truth... the
> Word tells us that in the last days many will be led astray, even the
> elect (Christians), and even goes on to tell us that Satan comes as an
> angel of light. Harry Potter is such an angel, showing courage, friendship
> and the battle of 'good vs evil' but in the end it's all worldly. Where
> has discernment gone in the body of Christ? Where have morals gone also?
> Bottom line: This film is [not of God]

Ok heres my opinion. **** Off. If you are going to draw parellels between the bible and Harry Potter stop ans think first. Harry is not the devil if anything Voldemort is. Harry in my veiw is a symbol for Jesus and is battleing against the devil, anti-chist whatever represented by Voldemort. Harry has his close friends and the orded of the pheonix (deciples, church??) and they are all fighting together against the evil. Dumbledore is almost a representation of god, he seems to be all knowing, he encourages harry and even teaches him magic (God giving jesus miracles) Any must go now but think about this you thickwit. Sorry if i offend any christians out there but this is what i feel. So **** off.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, April 25, 2006 (5:01 p.m.)

I thought I'd just finished refuting idioticaly fanatical christians like yourself on this site. Please get a life.

You, like the "trial lawyer" found elsewhere on this site, have failed to provide any proof that any of this stuff actually happens! You see, I have read HP many times over and watched all the films five times each and it does not affect my christian beliefs. Sure it's fine to [Big Text] SAY [/Big Text] that it happens, but that doesn't make it a fact! If I take someone to court and say "she murdered my son", that won't be enough to have her convicted. You have, like every christian anti HP site I have been to, failed to provide the slightest bit of proof that any of this about HP encouraging magic is real. (In actual fact, your lot have not yet proved that God is real- you just point at the bible, which looks very much like most, if not all, of it is fiction. There is no proof). Indeed, the magic that you so violently oppose is the only way of explaining christianity.

Something isn't bad just because "God says it is" or "it's not in the bible". HP was designed to entertain and amuse people. You people have a problem. You seem to think anything that does not have god as the central shining light of all is an attack on you. It's ing ridiculous! I'm sure J K Rowling was not planning to bring down the christian world.

In any case, modern science has prooved beyond minimal doubt that magic and stuff does not exist. There have been no confirmed incidents where magic is the only possible explanation. Magic and gods etc consistently break the laws of physics, which define what is possible and what can happen in the universe today. (These laws can actually predict the long term future of the universe, and they do it much better than divination).

Oh and by the way, don't point out that HP is corrupting the minds of our children. All little kids believe in magic and pirates and , and I'll bet even you did, but they grow out of it. Anyone who does not is invariably looked upon as strange (which, coincidentally, is the same way as people often look upon idiots like yourself).

P.S. You don't happen to know about the trial lawyer, do you? You would get on quite well with him. He is also on this site. To find him, go to google, type in Harry potter youur opinion sucks, click on the second link and find the post that article was posted in response to.

Good day.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, May 30, 2006 (8:08 p.m.)

ok, ok, you all have valid points:D...but plz don't go attacking christians because of this one paranoid religious fanatic. I'm a christian, but I don't believe that Harry is the devil or anything, (He's actually kinda funny to watch...)[br}
I also don't believe that if you stereotype christians as morons and paranoids, that you are any better yourself. Just disagree and get on with your lives......well, most of you.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Wednesday, January 10, 2007 (4:21 p.m.)

> ok, ok, you all have valid points:D...but plz don't go attacking
> christians because of this one paranoid religious fanatic. I'm a
> christian, but I don't believe that Harry is the devil or anything, (He's
> actually kinda funny to watch...)[br}
> I also don't believe that if you stereotype christians as morons and
> paranoids, that you are any better yourself. Just disagree and get on with
> your lives......well, most of you.

I'm not stereotyping christians as anything. I'm saying christians who say HP is evil etc are being silly. As you said, you're a christian but you don't think Harry is the devil. That proves my point- Harry doesn't make people evil.

I think most christians are just normal people; the only ones I have any real problems with are those extremists who go around trying to ban things like Harry and advocate all other kinds of (example: the Traditional Values Coalition, who advocate locking up homosexuals in concentration camps). It's fine for people to believe whatever they want. I only have problems with those who try to impose their views on other people against their will, whic is exactly what this so called Pastor is doing.

If you think I believe all christians are nutcases, then I'm sorry my post came across like that. I don't have a problem with christians, just people who do silly things like try and stop Harry Potter for promoting magic.

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Honestly...   Friday, April 28, 2006 (4:26 a.m.)

Yes, you're right, the film is not of God. But few films aren't. In any case, you have forgotten a few things.

1. HP does not desensitize people or make them want to be like the characters. OK, little children might do the latter for a while, but they grow out of it. The film certainly did not have a "a hypnotic feel to it as if it was drawing you into something more than just a movie". That is just complete rubbish. If you felt that way about it, I can assure you that you are not representative of the normal world.

2. HP is not an attack on christianity, as you seem to have forgotten. It was never designed to bring down the christian world or anything like that. You have completely over-reacted. It's just a story about a world where magic happens to exist. That doesn't make it inherently satanic or anything. It wasn't some kind of weapon designed to bring about chaos and anarchy in the christian world. Even if it was, it certainly did not have that effect. I have severe doubts as to whether or not any sane person was drawn into beileving in HP style magic.

3. Rowling was, and remains, a faithful christian! I am not sure of her views on this matter, but I am pretty damn sure she didn't want to offend anyone.

4. Just because a film has lying and stealing in it doesn't mean it promotes them. If the "good" characters do any of those things, it's for a good reason. Anyway, it's not as though Harry goes around telling the kids to steal and rob, or has sex with Hermione between classes. I have only ever seen christians criticise HP in this way and it looks very much as though they are desperatly trying to come up with some "valid" argument against it. This attempt has failed, I'm afraid.

5. Why pick on Harry? There are a hell of a lot more films out there with "ungodly" things in them. Star Wars is just as big as HP and I don't see christians claiming that kids are beign lured towards the dark side! Nobody has launched an attack on Lord of the Rings.

6. HP is not a religion!

7. You don't appear very representative of the christian community. Very few christians are offended by HP in the least. HP and god are not mutually exclusive. I was educated in a very religious primary school, which condemned the use of witchcraft books (which I know for a fact at least one person was in posession of), but nobody said a word about HP. If you are going to say the christian world is against something, please talk about something the christian world is actually against.

Anyway, you are making a mountain out of a nonexistent molehill. HP is not having any effect on christianity. You have no proof that HP is having any effects, partly becuase it isn't. Please try and criticise something worth criticising. Good day.

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Friday, April 28, 2006 (4:37 p.m.)

There are very few films that are of God, you ing . Just because it has nothing to do with God does't make it evil.

It is not an attack on christianity.

You suck.

Good day.

If you're reading this at night, Good night.

P.S. You probably didn't read the book- it does not promote necromancy (in the Hp world, there is no way of rewakening the dead).

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Get Lost   Friday, April 28, 2006 (4:39 p.m.)

I think that you SUCK! YOU ARE AN IGNORANT DOLT!

Goodbye

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How is the music offensive   Friday, April 28, 2006 (4:44 p.m.)

How is the music offensive!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? It's not as if it says "OOH OOH OOH! OOH OOH OOOH! Christianity's all POO POO POO!" It's not related to the whole christinity issue.

Anyway, this is not a site for some priest to pay out Harry Potter and then have everyone else on the site disagree with them.

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Go the DEVIL!! ...maybe not   Sunday, May 14, 2006 (4:09 a.m.)

I think satan is so cool! I sacrifice blood to him every day and night! I go around reawakening dead spritits to be my slaves! I predict the future and curse my enemies! I make evil potions to make me immortal! I kill preists and rape nuns! I attack angels and burn churches. I stand outside heaven in a helicopter sniping people! I launch missiles at the tree of life! Ra Ra Ra! I am so evil!

Or, as you may have guessed, I was making that up.

If anyone really did that and believed it, they would be strange

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Re: Extremely OFFENSIVE film and music, Potter is the Prince of Darkness!   Thursday, May 18, 2006 (10:00 p.m.)

Where have our morals gone!?! What the hell are you on about? I will admit that some of our popular media-based culture does appear to promote immoral activites, but where the hell does Harry do it?

Harry will entice kids to experimentation? What the hell?!?!? Most people actually have a pretty firm idea of fact and fiction, which you will probably find labels magic as fiction (and increasingly God and satan as well)and I believe that J.K. Rowling's work is not going to be able to penetrate it.

Another thing: You are trying to make it out as though HP is some sort of underworld conspiracy attempting to bring vhristainity down. It's not!

The word tells us that blah di blah di blah. Yeah I know, but I seriously doubt satan is giong to come in the form of Harry Potter. You are looking for things to complain about.

Finally, my most important point: Harry Potter does not have these evil desensitising effects. It does not repat not make me want to pick up an SMG (Sub Machine Gun) and go charging around massacring christians. It's just a story. Get stuffed

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Extremely OFFENSIVE post and comments, Pastor is the Prince of Darkness!   Tuesday, May 30, 2006 (12:00 a.m.)

This is not the site for this kind of crap. But since it's up there, I might as well disagree with it.

• There is no proof whatsoever that Harry is causing any effects on our children, or that it had a hypnotic feel or anything else.
• From th language you used, it looks as though you're some immature kid looking for a laugh.
• This is a site for soundtrack discussion
• There are few films that are [of god]
• Harry is not affecting our youth (even though they, like me, may enjoy the story)
• Most christians don't care about HP, so you are an extremist
• This is a waste of time. You will never convert anyone on this site

Goodbye

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