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Comments about the soundtrack for Crimson Tide (Hans Zimmer)

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Re: You cannot measure the quality...
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• Posted by: Pawel Stroinski   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 10:37 a.m.
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• In Response to: Re: You cannot measure the quality... (Kyri)

> 1:Are you implying that Elliot Goldenthal's music has no lyricism or
> melody in it? hmmmmm.....
2:True...that's because not many people WANT
> to write this kind of music.
3:Well, it might be art, but is it ART
> MUSIC? There is a huge difference in that...
4:I didn't say that the
> only mature music is Contemporary music...I don't recall Williams's or
> Goldsmith's music being extremely atonal....And i really don't like this
> synthesizer c*** that Zimmer composes. If you want to see some really good
> use of synthesizers, try the beginning of Alien3. Just listen to how those
> added elements blend with the sound of the orchestra and the images. Not
> just "....oh, WOW that beat there is SOOOOO
> COOL...""....WOW Zimmer does it again..bla bla bla..." Come
> on....i mean, it's like listening to more refined techno...Don't tell me
> you consider techno ART MUSIC....
Just try listening to it more
> carefully.

I must say that I read this thread with growing interest. But it became a "who's better" rant. Personally, I'm against such rants.

Both of you are right. As a Latin proverb says: "De gustibus non disputandum" (if you don't know Latin it's you don't discuss your gusto"). You prefer Goldenthal, Blake prefers Zimmer. Personally I agree with the latter.

Yes, I tried to listen to Alien 3, but I was looking for some horror fragments (I try to score a satanic horror, so I look for inspiration). I haven't listened into it. But I'll try.

Don't offend Zimmer's synthesizers, because it is his mastery. Zimmer wrote more orchestral scores. Listen to The Thin Red Line and Hannibal, keyboards were put off in these scores.

Zimmer is not a great orchestrator, I know that. But he's getting better. The Peacemaker is much better orchestrally than Crimson Tide, but worse thematically. Goldenthal is good orchestrally. His scores are dodecaphonic, though (please correct my spelling, if I'm wrong). In other words you prefer contemporary works (Williams, Schoenberg, early Penderecki, maybe Lutoslawski) than classical (Mozart) or romantic (Berlioz or Dvorak). As you wrote, Goldenthal wrote some serious work himself.

Every composer seeks inspiration in serious works, for instance Zimmer in Hannibal was inspired by Bach, Mahler and Strauss). I don't know where does Goldenthal. I might be interested in his credentials, so I'll be happy to get some info.

And if you want some atonality, harshness in Zimmer scores, listen to Black Hawk Down.

And one request: don't offend other composers and their their fans. It's just wrong.

Thanks for reading, Pawel.

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