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Re: Zimmer and Goldenthal
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• Posted by: Pawel Stroinski   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2002, at 3:47 a.m.
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• In Response to: Re: Zimmer and Goldenthal (Kyri)

> I will. Thanks.

> Sorry if you were offended by the Elfman comment, but i do believe that
> even though Elfman isn't an extremely skillful composer he has a passion
> for film music that allows him to write pretty cool stuff. His Batman
> score is quite good and despite several orchestrational mistakes, his main
> theme manages to capture the dark essence of the film very successfully i
> would say (Edward Scissorhands is quite good too IMO). Well..he is another
> composer who definetely plagiarizes other composers but what can we
> of a composer is difficult these days.

I wasn't offended at all (if anything you rather offended HIM ). Batman is good, but I haven't got the score (I won't, I think). Tell me more about the mistakes.

> Nope i don't find it strange at all! Goldenthal has successfully used
> electric guitars in his scores before and it's quite an experience to
> listen to how he uses the instrument. The electric guitar is part of his
> orchestration and is put there in a very meaningful way. Check out his
> scores to Heat and In Dreams.
We might discuss more about the use of
> the guitar once you've listened to them.
Goldenthal's mentor (teacher)
> was John Corigliano, a worldwide respected American Contemporary composer.
> He is still alive and i had the pleasure and honor of meeting him in
> person when he visited my school in Texas for masterclasses. You should
> check out his first Symphony(titled AIDS symphony). More about that when
> you listen to it. He also has written two scores. Altered States and The
> Red Violin (which won an oscar).

I know about Corigliani's Oscar, but nice to know he's a classical composer. Is his style tonal? (except Red Violin ehich it I heard some fragments)

> I agree about Williams's Schindlers' List. Hmmmm..Goldenthal's oratorio is
> quite a hard work to analyse and i think it would be better if you just
> took my word for it and buy it anyway. It's a work i'm still trying to
> comprehend (partly because i could only find a used copy with no inside
> notes saying more about the work, and partly because there is just too
> much stuff to get involved with-especially in the first and third
> movements). Buy it though. If you can still find it. It's well worth the
> money.

It's not available in Poland. I haven't seen Final Fantasy too.

I have made some insight on Goldenthal on Polish Internet. Well I found one Website strictly about him, but it's somehow spoilt (one page is readable). What are the avant-garde techniques? And are those Polish composers Penderecki, Gorecki and Lutoslawski? And do you like Kilar?

I thought more about classical influences on film music and I discovered something in Horner's Willow. If you have the score and Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique listen to Willow's Theme and March aux supplices from the latter. Similar, isn't it?

> Have a good day/night,

> Thanks for writing,

Same to you,


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