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Comments about the soundtrack for The Dark Knight Rises (Hans Zimmer/Various)

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Re: Who is this reviewer?
• Posted by: Hyun21K   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, at 6:38 p.m.
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• In Response to: Who is this reviewer? (Hyun21K)

> I've been reading this review and have noticed there are some strange
> declarations in it.
> 1) John Powell "bleeds creativity in relative obscurity"--then
> what about his Academy Nomination for How to Train Your Dragon, as well as
> his fairly busy career?
> 2) "Zimmer's mouth is his worst enemy for anyone interested in
> actually examining the merits of his structures and instrumentation."
> Well, sorry to be the intellectual party-pooper, but I don't listen to
> film scores for intellectual stimulation. If you want to actually work
> your brain, try analyzing Anton Webern's Symphonie, which uses
> docecophony, Pierre Boulez's Le marteau sans maître, or any other modern
> classical composers. These composers actually create musical forms in
> which their music has no image or dramatic backdrop to prop themselves
> upon. The fact is, while Bach composed fugues, while Beethoven broke
> Classical forms, while Chopin and Debussy loosened the meaning of
> tonality, and while Schoenberg did away with tonality altogether, Mr.
> Zimmer merely has to make a scene dramatic or sad.
> 3) "The "bull[bleep!] meter" is pegging on that
> explanation, with the dreaded phrase "creative differences" a
> more likely reason for Howard's wish to divest himself from the
> equation." What makes Mr. Clemmensen so sure that Mr. Howard has
> Clemmensen's exact opinion? Do they have a personal relationship? And
> also, I frankly don't care whether Mr. Howard scored or didn't score the
> movie anyways, as I do not like Mr. Howard's compositions.
> 4) "The composer needs to shut his yap, dump the ghostwriters, shift
> to F major, conjure a fluid theme, and drop a wicked oboe solo on
> us." Is the reviewer a composer too? Because he should know that F
> MAJOR HAS THE SAME KEY SIGNATURE AS D MINOR! And what's so important about
> themes? It may sound weird, but many great composers did not create themes
> in the proper sense. Beethoven's utterance in his 5th symphony is only 4
> notes long. Mr. Elfman's contribution to the Batman universe was 5 notes
> long. But, just because Elfman's theme is one note longer does not make it
> better than Beethoven's idea. The only requirement of music is that it
> must have an idea, whether 100 measures or just one note. And also, oboe
> solos are a painful cliche in scoring poignant scenes. Why not have a
> viola solo? Violas actually have a darker and more mysterious tone than
> violins.

Well, it seems that this post was certainly controversial. About have the people agreed with me and the other half very strongly disagreed with me.

Looking at the discussion board and the review, I've noticed there is a very strong anti-Zimmer bias. Now, I have no opinion on Zimmer, but I've noticed that all the pro-Zimmer comments were squelched by the majority. My comments were to see how far the pro-Zimmer side can go.

Although nearly everyone criticized me, I liked most of the criticisms as (I am guessing) a majority of the people have more balanced opinions than the few outliers who post outlandish things. Thank you for your criticisms, as this has been a most enjoyable discussion.

However, I know I've said some outlandish things of my own, probably in an effort to get more reactions. I have been called simultaneously a fanboy and a snob---is that even possible? Nevertheless, I want to clarify some things
1) Just because I don't like a composer DOES NOT mean he is a bad composer. I've just realized that I had off-handedly written off James Newton Howard as not one of my favorite composers. But, I still think James Newton Howard is a talented and very capable composer. His scores are well orchestrated and have a lyrical element. Please don't take my criticisms too personally (BTW I didn't take any of your criticisms personally either)
2) In this discussion I was actively trying to re-evaluate my opinions of the composers in question. But, I will behave much differently if I met the composers in person! If Hans Zimmer offered me composition lessons, I think that I will take the opportunity just to see what he knows (but I certainly wouldn't write in his style--I just want to see what he will teach)
3) I definitely stacked the cards against Mr. Clemmensen. Even after writing my militant review, I am still grateful that Mr. Clemmensen still writes reviews and even gives us free samples to listen too.

Thank you Everyone,


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