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Re: Better than Episode IV
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• Posted by: Josh   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2005, at 3:02 p.m.
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• In Response to: Re: Better than Episode IV (Dave)

> It's obvious to everyone that Star Wars borrows heavily from Holst and
> Wagner. Nobody will argue against that (if they're being serious).

> But what the hell is this: "John Williams just writes good themes,
> nothing more."

> Are you out of your f***ing mind?

> Williams is (in most people's opinions, including mine) the best composer
> alive at composing themes, but he's also one of the top 2 or 3 at
> underscoring the mundane moments in a movie. Star Wars is not a good
> example of this, since just about every moment in the movie features a
> character or concept he has written a brand spanking new theme for.
> His incorporation of leitmotivs is what defines Star Wars, practically.

> Many of Williams' other scores feature excellent underscoring without the
> use of leitmotivs: if you can buy the Hook bootleg, this is probably the
> best example available. There are a total of 35 cues on it (with a good
> array of thematic ingenuity and great underscoring), and maybe 3 of them
> aren't great.

> Compare that with an average movie score which has one hastily penned main
> theme, a dozen cues of discordant atonal whining on brass and
> overly-simplistic string writing, and then a finale cue which sums up all
> the cues into one horrific ending.

> As much as I think Horner is a derivative hack (whose scores hurt movies
> more than they enhance them), he is very accomplished at writing simple,
> string-dominated underscoring. Occasionally he'll throw in a four-note
> "evil motif." He should just stick to what he does best
> (producing best-selling songs with crappy singers who stretch an octave
> too high to simulate emotion) and leave brass-writing and thematic
> excellence to someone who can handle it. John Debney, John Williams, Danny
> Elfman, John Ottman, Michael Giacchino, Alan Silvestri, James Newton
> Howard... to name a few.

AMEN! One of the things that originally made me really enjoy Williams' scores is the fact that he writes some really interesting underscore. Dave just described exactly how I feel about some of Horner's work. If anyone thinks that Williams does not write good underscore, they are insane.

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