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Comments about the soundtrack for Enemy at the Gates (James Horner)

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Re: LOL!!
• Posted by: Jim Harris
• Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001, at 1:37 p.m.
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• In Response to: Re: LOL!! (Chris Tilton)

I'm very pleased yo've responded so quickly, and first of all I must apologize for my grammar mistake (hey, this time I've been the humiliated one, he, he...). I've also seen that you feel huge hatred for this composer, which certainly borrows too much material from his own compositions, and even sometimes 'steals' from other composers (of course he's not the only one who does, but he's the most clear example because of the amount of times he does). However I think he's fully capable of making outstanding original themes, and in my opinion he has got a clear vision regarding the emotions that the film and its characters suggest, creating motifs to make the spectator understand their behaviors and feelings, and the particular mood of the scenes (Krull, Aliens, Willow, Field of Dreams, Legends of the Fall, Apollo 13, Titanic...). Unfortunately, he always includes recycled material that sounds very familiar, I think to define his style, and detract it the same way, so controversy is always fed as soon as he scores a new film. Once my point of view is clear, I must say you're absolutely right when you say that Oscars are given specially according to sales and commercial expectations, and obviously Titanic was a big success, both the film and the soundtrack (this last one sold an incredible amount of copies; of course, I know the song had much to do with this fact). But James Horner hasn't only won an Oscar, he's been nominated SEVERAL times... even twice in the same year (1995)!! In addition he's also been nominated for the Grammies and the Golden Globes, and has won three (for Braveheart and Titanic again, this one for score and song). Do you still think he's so bad? Coincidences? I don't think so. But I don't want to inflict my opinion; mine is my opinion; mine is as valid as yours.
Talking about Glory, the track named "Charging Fort Wagner", the one you refer to, is an adaptation of style and tempo from Carl Orff's "O Fortuna", and obviously both share certain similarities, specially at the beginning and ending of Horner's track, as you've noticed, but no more than that. Horner's motifs and the notes' disposition have nothing to do with those from Orff. And about the stolen first part of the theme, I'm not familiar with Plokofiev, so I'll try to find out which part of his work for "Ivan the Terrible" is the one we are refering to. Anyway, thanks for your information. I see you're well-informed, and what I think it's more important, you can be reasonable without falling in roughness.

Sorry for the vast explanations, I only wanted to show my opinions clearly. Thanks for reading.

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       Chris Tilton - Monday, February 19, 2001, at 8:43 a.m.
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         Andy - Wednesday, February 21, 2001, at 2:29 a.m.
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           Chris Tilton - Wednesday, February 21, 2001, at 6:09 a.m.
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             Jim Harris - Wednesday, March 21, 2001, at 5:27 p.m.
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               Chris Tilton - Wednesday, March 21, 2001, at 6:36 p.m.
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                 Jim Harris - Thursday, March 22, 2001, at 1:37 p.m.
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                   Chris Tilton - Thursday, March 22, 2001, at 2:00 p.m.
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             Matt Price - Friday, March 16, 2001, at 5:47 p.m.
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               Chris Tilton - Friday, March 16, 2001, at 6:44 p.m.
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                 Matt Price - Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 4:53 p.m.
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                   Chris Tilton - Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 7:31 p.m.
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             Christian Afonso - Thursday, February 22, 2001, at 2:23 p.m.

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