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ever heard of the planets

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ever heard of the planets   Monday, June 18, 2001 (9:01 p.m.) 

Mr. Zimmer,
Now don't get me wrong, cause I love your work....Gladiator was just flat out amazing but...come on you had almost a direct quote from the planets by Gustacv Holst in there...I mean it fit and it sounded great but..work on something a little more original....when I am writing scores you will see what i mean...but I also understand the fact that you are under a time limit and have to get things finished quick and all that is well and great but at least have some more of your own stuff...Maybe because it sounds like the planets is why i like it so much...remember my name ..you might see me sometime in the future....I will give you an idea on what to do though about the whole music thing....write one original work for a film and the pull tny little peices from those works to incorparate in each film score...sorta like your signature...My name as it will apear on my music will be J. Alexnader....look for it...(it will be a while though I am only 16), Thanks for your time...,

J. Alexander

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Re: ever heard of the planets   Monday, June 18, 2001 (9:45 p.m.) 

> Mr. Zimmer,
Now don't get me wrong, cause I love your
> work....Gladiator was just flat out amazing but...come on you had almost a
> direct quote from the planets by Gustacv Holst in there...I mean it fit
> and it sounded great but..work on something a little more original....when
> I am writing scores you will see what i mean...but I also understand the
> fact that you are under a time limit and have to get things finished quick
> and all that is well and great but at least have some more of your own
> stuff...Maybe because it sounds like the planets is why i like it so
> much...remember my name ..you might see me sometime in the future....I
> will give you an idea on what to do though about the whole music
> thing....write one original work for a film and the pull tny little peices
> from those works to incorparate in each film score...sorta like your
> signature...My name as it will apear on my music will be J.
> Alexnader....look for it...(it will be a while though I am only 16),
> Thanks for your time...,

> J. Alexander

For us uneducated Zimmer lovers, what is "planets"?

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John Moates
Re: ever heard of the planets   Tuesday, June 19, 2001 (3:02 p.m.) 

Now don't get me wrong, cause I love your work

> For us uneducated Zimmer lovers, what is "planets"?

Well "The Planets" (by Gustav Holst) is a work done back in 1914, and they are works that composers pull from to write their own stuff a lot....Mostly for film scores. And the names of the movements are different planets....but there are only 7...he doesn't write one for earth and pluto was not known of at the time it was written. And one of those planets is mostly used in the "warish" tracks of the film scores....and the one is Mars....I really do think you should check out "The Planets" by Gustav Holst cause they are wonderful peices.
But Zimmer uses almost an exact quote from Mars I think it is in one of his tracks. Not saying it isn't any good just saying to Zimmer that he could try and be a little more original. thats what the planets are...and i hope you check them out jason...later,

alex

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Re: ever heard of the planets   Tuesday, June 19, 2001 (8:26 p.m.) 

> Now don't get me wrong, cause I love your work

> Well "The Planets" (by Gustav Holst) is a work done back in
> 1914, and they are works that composers pull from to write their own stuff
> a lot....Mostly for film scores. And the names of the movements are
> different planets....but there are only 7...he doesn't write one for earth
> and pluto was not known of at the time it was written. And one of those
> planets is mostly used in the "warish" tracks of the film
> scores....and the one is Mars....I really do think you should check out
> "The Planets" by Gustav Holst cause they are wonderful peices.
>
But Zimmer uses almost an exact quote from Mars I think it is in one
> of his tracks. Not saying it isn't any good just saying to Zimmer that he
> could try and be a little more original. thats what the planets are...and
> i hope you check them out jason...later,

> alex

Will do. Thanx for the info. Zimmer may not be the best, but he's my favorite. Always entertaining. So I'll see what the "planets" are like.

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Re: ever heard of the planets   Wednesday, October 3, 2001 (8:48 p.m.) 

Hey Alex...

Sorry bro, but Holst did write a theme for Pluto. It was called Lord of the Underworld. Of course all of the planets are named for Roman Gods. I hope you succeed in being a composer. I want to be a performer, so maybe I will play your works one of these days. Peace,

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Re: you sure?   Saturday, January 5, 2002 (5:43 p.m.) 

Are you sure its not Pluto: The Renewer by Colin Mathews? It is sometimes (rarely) added to performances of "The Planets" It is meant to be a continuation and embraces Holst's style and technique. As its been said, Pluto was not discovered when the original work was written and published. Where have you seen "Lord of the Underworld"?

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Re: you sure?   Thursday, July 25, 2002 (5:19 p.m.) 

> Are you sure its not Pluto: The Renewer by Colin Mathews? It is sometimes
> (rarely) added to performances of "The Planets" It is meant to
> be a continuation and embraces Holst's style and technique. As its been
> said, Pluto was not discovered when the original work was written and
> published. Where have you seen "Lord of the Underworld"?

I have heard a recording "Pluto: Lord of the Underworld." It does exist. BUT, I don't think it was written by Holst. I can't remember the name now, but I think the guys first name was Peter. Let me check into this further.

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Re: you sure?   Friday, December 19, 2003 (3:00 a.m.) 

> I have heard a recording "Pluto: Lord of the Underworld." It
> does exist. BUT, I don't think it was written by Holst. I can't remember
> the name now, but I think the guys first name was Peter. Let me check into
> this further.

Is there generally a difference between "The Renewer" and "The Lord Of The Underworld"?
"The Renewer" is written by Colin Matthews in 2000. But by whom is "The Lord Of The Underworld"??? I also heard a recording of it, but I'm not sure that it's really by Holst or by Matthews... At the end of the recording, it sounds like - a bit - a commercial (electronical) product, doesn't it?

Can anyone answer my question? Thanks!!!

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Re: ever heard of the planets   Tuesday, April 27, 2004 (1:57 p.m.) 

> Hey Alex...

> Sorry bro, but Holst did write a theme for Pluto. It was called Lord of
> the Underworld. Of course all of the planets are named for Roman Gods. I
> hope you succeed in being a composer. I want to be a performer, so maybe I
> will play your works one of these days. Peace,

i'm pretty sure that Holst did NOT write it. pluto the planet wasn't even _discovered_ until ~1930 and the planets suite was composed in 1914-16.

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Re: ever heard of the planets   Wednesday, June 20, 2001 (2:06 p.m.) 

> Mr. Zimmer,
Now don't get me wrong, cause I love your
> work....Gladiator was just flat out amazing but...come on you had almost a
> direct quote from the planets by Gustacv Holst in there...I mean it fit
> and it sounded great but..work on something a little more original....when
> I am writing scores you will see what i mean...but I also understand the
> fact that you are under a time limit and have to get things finished quick
> and all that is well and great but at least have some more of your own
> stuff...Maybe because it sounds like the planets is why i like it so
> much...remember my name ..you might see me sometime in the future....I
> will give you an idea on what to do though about the whole music
> thing....write one original work for a film and the pull tny little peices
> from those works to incorparate in each film score...sorta like your
> signature...My name as it will apear on my music will be J.
> Alexnader....look for it...(it will be a while though I am only 16),
> Thanks for your time...,

> J. Alexander

J. Alexander,

Not to be rude or demeaning, but don't you think it's a bit arrogant to say that you will be a composer? By composer I mean that you will be good enough to have a decent amount of fame, and will be pulling in enough money by your compositions to live off of. Also, the world of being a proffesional artist is a dangerous one, not very many people who take that road are going to succeed in life. A last thing, inspirations and imaginations often dry up as people mature, so don't stock in you're ability to write musical pieces... But then again, I've likely not told you anything you've thought of yourself, or heard from others before.

But at any rate I'd like to hear/see an example of your music. I just want if you really are any good in my opinion. I don't have any ideas of how you could share your music, but you might.

Also, I'd like to add that I'm only 14.

~Ryan S.

P.S. check out the Media ventures website link I posted here if you really want to get a response from Mr. Zimmer. It's got an ask Zimmer feature there you might want to look into. It's also his official website, I believe.



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Re: ever heard of the planets   Tuesday, July 17, 2001 (2:35 p.m.) 

> J. Alexander,

> Not to be rude or demeaning, but don't you think it's a bit arrogant to
> say that you will be a composer? By composer I mean that you
> will be good enough to have a decent amount of fame, and will be pulling
> in enough money by your compositions to live off of. Also, the world of
> being a proffesional artist is a dangerous one, not very many people who
> take that road are going to succeed in life. A last thing, inspirations
> and imaginations often dry up as people mature, so don't stock in you're
> ability to write musical pieces... But then again, I've likely not told
> you anything you've thought of yourself, or heard from others before.

> But at any rate I'd like to hear/see an example of your music. I just want
> if you really are any good in my opinion. I don't have any ideas of how
> you could share your music, but you might.

> Also, I'd like to add that I'm only 14.

> ~Ryan S.

Hey don't be harsh on him, if he realy believes in it i'm sure he can do well. All aspiring composers, keep at it, you never know where you may go in life!:)


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Re: ever heard of the planets   Saturday, June 23, 2001 (12:11 a.m.) 

> Mr. Zimmer,
Now don't get me wrong, cause I love your
> work....Gladiator was just flat out amazing but...come on you had almost a
> direct quote from the planets by Gustacv Holst in there...I mean it fit
> and it sounded great but..work on something a little more original....when
> I am writing scores you will see what i mean...but I also understand the
> fact that you are under a time limit and have to get things finished quick
> and all that is well and great but at least have some more of your own
> stuff...Maybe because it sounds like the planets is why i like it so
> much...remember my name ..you might see me sometime in the future....I
> will give you an idea on what to do though about the whole music
> thing....write one original work for a film and the pull tny little peices
> from those works to incorparate in each film score...sorta like your
> signature...My name as it will apear on my music will be J.
> Alexnader....look for it...(it will be a while though I am only 16),
> Thanks for your time...,

> J. Alexander

I, too, am ignorant of "the Planets," which is obviously toooo bad. I love the whole "last suite" in the Gladiator score. I was relieved to know that "We are Free" means nothing...except it smacks of Hebrew, Latin, and Spanish all rolled into one. Which brings me to my question: what are the lyrics for the said "planets" section? It is definitely classical. It even reminds me of Mozart's Requiem which is also fantastic. Anyway, any incite for the uninformed...but learning, would be very much appreciated!
M.----


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Re: ever heard of the planets   Friday, August 31, 2001 (7:57 p.m.) 

Yes it may be true that Zimmer uses themes from Mars in the Gladiator sound track, but what does it matter? Mars, as you know, is the roman god of war and the whole picture is about war and killing and stuff. By the way, many film composers borrow themes from other music to use as their own, I believe John Williams is the worst about doing this. But don't try and hear the theme the composer borrowed, try and hear what that person does with it. I think you will agree that Zimmer does an excellent job with his use of the Mars theme. I listened to Mars and Track 3 on the gladiator CD and can not hear any direct quotes. I will agree that it is very Mars-like but I suggest you get a score of mars and study it to see if you are correct or not. Mars is in 5/4 and track 3 on the Gladiator CD is in 3/4. That means every five bars the two pieces should line up but that would make the track on the Gladiator CD about 15 minutes long, which it is not. The main thing to remember is that in a movie the music is there to help the story along, and Zimmer does this rather well. As a composer and arranger I can tell you that somewhere in your works, wether you know it or not, you will find something that sounds like somebody elses music. There's nothing wrong with that. Look at who's music you like the most and you might find something of that composer's music influenceing you. I know that this holds true for some of my own works.

Jeremy Johnson

p.s.--Even if he did borrow directly from Mars, Hans Zimmer has more money than you or I ever will.


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