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Re: I get what Zimmer is trying to do.
• Posted by: cldesa   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, at 4:28 p.m.
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• In Response to: Re: I get what Zimmer is trying to do. (Jack)

> Music is not entirely subjective. Your opinions on the score may be
> "subjective" but the score is not. I don't need to hear this BS
> philosophy but what you're doing is saying it is art because we cannot
> understand it because it's subjective. But what you're really saying is
> it's so bad that you can't understand it therefore it must be art and
> subjective. Which is quite a funny statement itself. This argument takes
> away the fact that there are actual criticisms of the score that you may
> or may not have listened to. The fact that it is droning ,I.E. to pass,
> proceed, or act in a dull, drowsy, or indifferent manner, is not
> subjective because I am not feeling what is being heard in the score but
> rather describing what is transpiring by actually listening to the score.
> Ears help discern this.

> The argument about how "6.5 billion subjective opinions do not equal
> an objective one" is also a straw man because my opinion that I
> express is not "subjective" but rather objective, from listening
> to many Hans Zimmer scores and knowing his music personally and that of
> other composers too, and makes you sound rather benign to me(There's those
> darn "subjective" opinions again). But the fact that you are
> mangling words to come up with these foe philosophical statements about
> "What is" is also a fallacy because if the evidence is actually
> being played on album then you can't say "well, it's so redundant
> that it's art."Plus, there are also things called
> "consensus" like rotten tomato's "Tomatometer" which
> is the quantifiable score of reviews. And again this BS argument about
> quantifying complexity. Have you actually taken a look at Hans Zimmer's
> sheet music or for that matter listened to any of his scores? To say that
> Zimmer is not being redundant in his scores is like saying that writing
> "poop" 1 thousand times would be a diverse representation of
> words. And the fact that you have interviews, sound bites, and the scores
> themselves that actually show how redundant and absurd Hans Zimmer's
> career has become also doesn't help your argument(When is gonna retire and
> tour the nation? He promised that but I guess that was subjective too).
> Also, you talk about it from an emotional stand point which is actual
> subjectivity but whereas I'm actually in the world of listening to scores
> impartially.

> Also, The example of a thousand pieces orchestra to a one handed melody is
> also a straw man because there are actual one handed pieces that are a
> thousand times more complex and more wonderfully executed then the
> entirety of Hans Zimmer's score. Chopin did one. Liszt also. And to say
> that complexity becomes noise bothers me the most. So a cue like
> "Waiting for a Train" is not droning on and on but "Scherzo
> for motorcycle and orchestra" is just noise? The purpose of music is
> to transcend noise into beautiful sounds that make music and not actually
> become the sound because that would be just SFX.

> Inception is an actual mess of sounds and if I took the sounds of
> Vuvuzelas and sang french over it you would probably call that
> "existential." The problem is that you are hiding a bad score
> behind the guise that if it cannot be good then it should be art but there
> are plenty of scores that are masterpieces technically and emotionally
> like Lawrence of Arabia and Once Upon A Time in the West which are actual
> masterpieces and art.

> P.S. I hate people throwing around the word subjective like they know what
> they mean I am not listening to a score "existing only in the
> mind" or perceiving the score to be real. That is BS, so save it.

Hmm, Jack, do you realize what happens when you 'listen' to a piece? Your brain centers for memory and emotion are activated, not just the areas that control the mechanics of hearing. Everything you listen to is tainted with your own emotions and biases. Thus, it is no longer objective. What you like to call BS is what I like to call science. When you've finished antagonizing people on this board, it might be helpful to check out a neuroscience textbook to facilitate your future ramblings.

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