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Re: Horner IS a THIEF
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• Posted by: Observer
• Date: Friday, March 5, 2004, at 5:32 a.m.
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• In Response to: Horner IS a THIEF (Max)

Well, i dont think anyone can deny that Horner has been influenced by (and used) some of the Classical composers works. Afterall, he's literally stolen whole sections of Karachaturian's works at times,and also Prokofiev. The first racy section of "Stealing the Enterprise" from Star Trek III is literally lifted and pasted straight out of a section of Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet (oddly enough). His most shameless rip off,is copying to a large degree from Karachaturian's "Invention" piece from "Gayaneh",during the scene at the beginning of Aliens where Ripley's pod arrives at the space station. Horner denies he was inspired by Gayaneh.

But the thing is,you can find this with even our most famous and revered film composers. Listen to John William's "Home Alone" score (in particular the much loved and famous "Making the Plane" cue which accompanies any frantic moment of running around). Williams stole most of the structure of that piece from Tchai's "Russian Dance" from the Nutracker Suite. You could put the two pieces together and sit with mouth agape at the cheek of it. So Horner is not the only one by any means. Jerry has also used structures from Hermmann in his scores. Nobody is immune from this. And while Horner may be the most "blatant" and less subtle in how he incorporates his favourite bits,i think we have to remember that many of our favourite cues from our favourite film composers are influenced by everyone from Holst to Prokofiev to Karachaturian. Nobody can help but be influenced. Very few composers are "entirely" original in their works (certainly if they were taught by existing composers),or just listened to particular works all of their lives. If we sat down and began picking lifts from previous works, then our respect for our most revered and respected film composers,would fall like a lead weight.It's best not to delve too deeply into thid phenomenon. Ignorance "is" bliss,in this case .

>>>Original post) - Justice should be restored! RED HEAT Main Title by Prokofiev. There is another example of Horner' s talent to steal the pieces from other composers. While Red Heat isn't among the popular Horner soundtracks, there is a track Main Title which is always impressed me with its use of chorus and unusual harmony. "The opening and closing titles are nothing like I've ever heard Horner score before" -- said in Filmtracks review. Sure. Its because he didn't write it at all! The whole piece is taken from number II "The Philosophers" from Sergei Prokofiev hidden satiric "Cantata for the 20th Anniversary of the October Revolution". Listen the example on Horner added some percussion to it and re-arranged it for the movie. But it never mentioned on the film end credits or CD soundtrack. How about copyright, Mr. Horner!!!

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  • Horner IS a THIEF  (8697 views)
       Max - Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 10:57 a.m.
    •      Re: Horner IS a THIEF  (7680 views)    We're Here
         Observer - Friday, March 5, 2004, at 5:32 a.m.
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           antizimmerhorner - Thursday, December 16, 2004, at 12:35 p.m.
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         Thomas - Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 1:14 a.m.

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